Bianchi: John Weisbrod Deserves Some Credit

[Devin 1L]

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I already did and pointed out the central error. However he seems to have removed it. Fact is I wasn't referring to that incident he referenced but to a general pattern stretching back at least ten different threads over months. Same accusations. So his resoonse was off base as is bringing it up in threads he doesn't like what is being said. I however doubt that that fact will be helpful to you given the truly consistent cluelessness you are both accusing and guilty of. I think we've established no love or respect is lost between us so why run from thread to thread rehashing the same?

I put up with a lot of crap on here, but this is one thing that just isn't going to fly.

I did not, in any way, alter your post, and you know that.

If I did, you'd see an "edited by" line, and I don't have the ability to remove it so nice try.

Consider this a warning. Don't start throwing around false accusations of post manipulation. You can disagree with me 'til the cows come home, but I won't tolerate that.

If needed be, we can get Howard Mass or another Commish to confirm it as well as they have logs of all activity.

Suffice to say there are plenty of people that don't like the job Otis has done and they are not all the same user masking their IP.

That's true.

Funny thing is 99% of them are never accused of having had another screen name. Maybe it's not just the opinion after all...

[Optimus_Steel]

I dont understand the obssesion with some when it comes to G. Wallace and Kapono. It would have cost us alot more than what Cha is paying him now to get him because he was restricted and they wanted him back. And although he scores around 20 per game, he is not the scorer and shooter that Lewis is which has helped Dwight and Hedo with spacing and defensive attention. Just look at our record and compare it to the Kittycats record who happen to be in our division. When it comes to Kapono, the guy right now cant even do what he is really good at. Despite a good %, he has made a whooping 6 three point baskets since January 1. Thats 3 since Feb 1, two of those in their last game.

[maginno]

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Unfortunately that pattern will continue because your opinions are in the minority (not this thread, just the negativity in general).

I'd say about 95% of my so called "negativity" is in regard to Otis. So it is a function of the subject of this thread. I suppose the first people who had a problem with Bhill were in the minority but that didn't stay that way. I really don't know about the minority even now. I see A LOT of people questioning Otis. I'd say there are maybe 7 people who make the loudest noise when you point out Otis's problems. Which is fine but theres no reason for even some mods jumping in and trying to badger people about their opinions by referring to double accounts. If you are mod deal with it off thread if theres something to it. If there isn't then hush.

some people will conclude that they're just the same poster with a new name (because it has happened before).

I really don't thinks so. You see in the cases I am talking about its just used as a side shot. Its not like anyone is contacting mods for violation. they throw the accusation when they don't like the point and then laugh it up for the rest of the thread. They point to Richboy and the past but you either are going to ban the guy or allow him to participate. You don't just bring it up when you have a disagreement with him. Its just a way to marginalize the argument. and what is stirring up trouble? Code word for not agreeing? Who gave anyone the right to say what you have to agree with on a Realgm board.

Take the Rashard signing, you'd have people saying shut up already. we've heard it all before then turn right round and start a thread as to why the signing was justified. Object and contradict and here comes the stirring up trouble label. So lots of the times stirring up trouble is just a code word for disagreeing with them and an attempt to control viewpoints.

You can see it best with Arroyo fans and how they are treated. People will come out and say they don't want to hear it anymore on the boards like the boards belong to them based on seniority (seniority on a internet board - what a joke). tey even will curse you using abbreviations and because they know you know you can put down their arguments without breaking a sweat and don't have an inferiority complex it stirs them up. How dare you?

It's not going to change anytime soon so you have to just get used to it.

On behalf of the increasing number of people who are becoming vocal about their dislike of management I will suggest the same. Most of us aren't going anywhere so like it or not people are going to have to get used to it.

[MagicalMan]

I dont understand the obssesion with some when it comes to G. Wallace and Kapono. It would have cost us alot more than what Cha is paying him now to get him because he was restricted and they wanted him back. And although he scores around 20 per game, he is not the scorer and shooter that Lewis is which has helped Dwight and Hedo with spacing and defensive attention. Just look at our record and compare it to the Kittycats record who happen to be in our division. When it comes to Kapono, the guy right now cant even do what he is really good at. Despite a good %, he has made a whooping 6 three point baskets since January 1. Thats 3 since Feb 1, two of those in their last game.

The grass is always greener on the other side.

[mhectorgato]

I dont understand the obssesion with some when it comes to G. Wallace and Kapono. It would have cost us alot more than what Cha is paying him now to get him because he was restricted and they wanted him back. And although he scores around 20 per game, he is not the scorer and shooter that Lewis is which has helped Dwight and Hedo with spacing and defensive attention. Just look at our record and compare it to the Kittycats record who happen to be in our division. When it comes to Kapono, the guy right now cant even do what he is really good at. Despite a good %, he has made a whooping 6 three point baskets since January 1. Thats 3 since Feb 1, two of those in their last game.

4th concussion in 4 years.

[mhectorgato]

I put up with a lot of crap on here, but this is one thing that just isn't going to fly.

I did not, in any way, alter your post, and you know that.

If I did, you'd see an "edited by" line, and I don't have the ability to remove it so nice try.

You're studying law: Could this be classified as slander?

[mhectorgato]

The grass is always greener on the other side.

Or - less dollar weeds on the other lawn; unless the lawn is in MSG.

Pun intended

[MagicalMan]

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On behalf of the increasing number of people who are becoming vocal about their dislike of management I will suggest the same. Most of us aren't going anywhere so like it or not people are going to have to get used to it.

Well I feel I am used to it. The negativity of certain posters has been part of this forums culture since I joined almost 4 years ago. People have complained about management each and every year, so its really nothing new. Its usually the same posters year in and year out. It just so happens that one of the posters got caught trying to back up his own opinion with another account, so the result now is that when a new person comes in with negative attitude, established posters will be suspect.

Im not trying to change your opinion or the way you post, im just trying to help you understand why this happens and will continue to happen. If you can change the culture of these forums with negativity and attacks against other posters and mods, then I will congratulate you. It hasnt worked in the past 4 years so I don't see why things would change now.

[maginno]

Consider this a warning. Don't start throwing around false accusations of post manipulation. You can disagree with me 'til the cows come home, but I won't tolerate that.

First. I'm not one of the kiddies. I specifically said it seemed because I did in fact have a post disappear. I can accept that it may have been a site issue or even my browser not submitting the post properly. I made up nothing. I'm not bashfuil about stating my opinion as you fully know so I wouldn't go around your post without responding to it directly if there had not been a problem.

I'm always a straight shooter unlike those on your side of the issue.

Second I won't toletrate insinuations that I have a double account and thats been made many a time over the last few months so maybe you should get on that and stop making personal attacks in open thread.

The only people that can look up IPs and therefore know first hand who in the past had a double account are mods. You were wrong about what I was referring to earlier. Its happened multiple times and it isn't the first a mod has been present for it so the most professional thing would be to check it out and confirm or deny that the person has a double account not throw around the past to ridicule a point of view you don't like. Richboy is his own person so its up to him but on an issue of fairness you should either ban the guy or let him participate not bring up the past only at opportune times to marginalize the argument he or I make should I agree with one of his posts (and I happen to disagree with him on many an issue too).

Funny thing is 99% of them are never accused of having had another screen name. Maybe it's not just the opinion after all.

Now who would that be directed at since as a mod you couldn't be encouraging or justifying people accusing me of having a double account when you in fact know that there is nothing behind it. after all you won't tolerate false accusations right? Careful there Devin. might give away the farm there.

[mhectorgato]

Now who would that be directed at since as a mod you couldn't be encouraging or justifying people accusing me of having a double account when you in fact know that there is nothing behind it. after all you won't tolerate false accusations right? Careful there Devin. might give away the farm there.

Nice duck and weave there! I salute you

[maginno]

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You're studying law: Could this be classified as slander?

Sorry Gato but "seemed to have removed" merely states what the witness thought to have been the case. No grounds in case Devin hasnt gotten to that section yet. keep on the look out. You recent Maginno on redick argument comes closer though.

[mhectorgato]

Sorry Gato but "seemed to have removed" merely states what the witness thought to have been the case. No grounds in case Devin hasnt gotten to that section yet. keep on the look out. You recent Maginno on redick argument comes closer though.

I like your disclaimer - Kinda like big tobacco saying "the use of this product may cause cancer".

Again, I salute your Teflon ways

[maginno]

If you can change the culture of these forums with negativity and attacks against other posters and mods, then I will congratulate you. It hasnt worked in the past 4 years so I don't see why things would change now.

First you buy into a wrong but common premise there. I have no illusions at changing everyones mind. You have a fundamental misunderstanding about why people post to a forum. Very few think they are going to change people's minds. they do it because they like to express themselves and their views. Now if you are weak minded you need everyone to agree with you but if you aren't you derive satisfaction just from stating and defending your position on rational not populous grounds. When I debate I debate on issues and logic not on who will agree with me. The win comes from the logic and rationale even if the populous chooses to be irrational.

IF Otis proves by the evidence to be a super GM then I'll be arguing on his behalf. to me it all about what sensible. So if he proves himself - Booyah!

Now if you are talking about accusations of double accounts you may kid yourself that I can't change that but I assure you if another Mod suggests in open thread that I am operating under more than one account I can and I will - thats my public notice.


The second error is that you think there is a culture that should be adapted to. Sorry but I find that laughable. Realgm is a large site broken down in to sub forums. Orlando magic fans have no power to define its culture. None. Even non magic fans can and do waltz over and state their views. So the culture here is that anyone can participate with any view and theres really nothing that can stop that not even a supposed culture/ fraternity (seems to be more appopriate name).

I already see an increase in Magic fans that are defecting from being Otis supporters and that s my main point of disagreement anyways. If you are an Otis supporter you are increasingly being diminished in number with every misfire. If he stops misfiring and does a great job from here on in I have no personal issue. I'll be right back with the "in Otis we trust " guys like I used to be.

[maginno]

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I like your disclaimer - Kinda like big tobacco saying "the use of this product may cause cancer".

I have to laugh because I am quite sure you don't know the difference between "seem" and " may" in that sentence. See son. Tobacco may cause cancer because not everyone gets it who smokes. Light bulbs going off? It was the the government that forced them to put that on the package because its true.

Now if I in the past said you seemed like an intelligent person and then you said something (like say in another thread maybe about JJ sitting on the bench proving Otis has a great track record with drafting) that indicates you might not be too well lit would I be dodging or weaving by saying it seemed (it appeared to be the case) so at the time?

Never mind. You won't comprehend anyway.

[ORL]

LOL. I love it that this guy thinks he's all that.

He's probably going to come in and try and explain that he's not and that he's just expressing his views and is being a realist, when in fact he UNQUESTIONABLY does think he's smarter than just about everyone else on here and is the most unique poster ever to grace us with his posts.

Reality is, he's just the next one in line...

[maginno]

in fact he UNQUESTIONABLY does think he's smarter than just about everyone else on here and is the most unique poster ever to grace us with his posts..

well You get a merit for getting it half right (and of course a demerit for getting it half wrong)

I do think I am smarter than the kids who post here (getting to ad adult age should count for something in terms of knowledge) and yes I do think I am smarter than a few grown ups but no I have met a lot of smart people on here that I don't think I am smarter than. I'd say all in all I'm average but confident in my writing abilities due to my background. The kids will grow up to be smarter than me on average too.

So no I am not all that. You don't have to be very smart to be smarter than a few people who who post on a sports forum. thats not a pleasant fact but you have to know that it is.

Smart people do get emotional and that makes them silly from time to time. take Gato and I in this back and forth. He can be very witty but when caught in a wrong conclusion in another thread about JJ he couldn't fess up that his conclusions were wrong when I showed him a previous post that contradicted what he said I had said. Now intelligent guy but in trying to get away from withdrawing his wrong conclusion he's degraded into take pot shots in another thread because he knows he on emotional grounds didn't want to admit to a bad point.

has nothing to do with overall smartness at all just as your interjecting here didn't have anything to do with your careful examination of any facts or backgruunds. Just an emotional reaction without a whole lot of mental consideration. NO doubt still a smart guy.

and incidentally no - no one is just the next one in line. We are all unique in some way. You have your own issues with supremacy as evidenced by your own post. Perhaps a litlle psychological projection there.

[maginno]

I dont understand the obssesion with some when it comes to G. Wallace and Kapono. It would have cost us alot more than what Cha is paying him now to get him because he was restricted and they wanted him back. .

GETTING BACK ON TOPIC


That might be so. I for one didn't mind Rashard but Wallace wouldn't have bothered me either. We'd be better defensively and have more versatility. Kapono would have been a good fit as well but since we were high ON JJ might have been an overlap. Where I would take that over Rashard is in the price we paid but if we hadn't gone to the max for no reason I would have been fine with it.

[ORL]

Nah, bro, I got both of them right. You know it, I know it, everyone with half a brain knows it. You just won't admit it because then it screws up your argument.

That entire post REEKS of just about everything I suspected of you. You see what you did there was you gave me credit for one thing because, well, if you argued against it, that would just make you look silly.

But then you also gave yourself a window to slam me later on in your post (interjecting some more of the intelligence in the middle) just because you had to seeing as I slammed you first... Even though I'm 100% right, there was simply no way you could just let it go, just as I predicted.

[mhectorgato]

I have to laugh because I am quite sure you don't know the difference between "seem" and " may" in that sentence. See son. Tobacco may cause cancer because not everyone gets it who smokes. Light bulbs going off? It was the the government that forced them to put that on the package because its true.

Now if I in the past said you seemed like an intelligent person and then you said something (like say in another thread maybe about JJ sitting on the bench proving Otis has a great track record with drafting) that indicates you might not be too well lit would I be dodging or weaving by saying it seemed (it appeared to be the case) so at the time?

Never mind. You won't comprehend anyway.

I like that you ignored my second like

Unless you can't comprehend the difference? Nah, I'm quite sure that a person of your high intellect could easily understand my usage of the word like in that case.

To all those not as highly enlightened as yourself: my 2nd usage of like was to show how maginno's use of "seems" was an attempt to distance himself from possible accusations - however it was meet with an official reaction - was similar to tobacco's use of a disclaimer on their products, also in an attempt to distance themselves from legal reaction - coincidentally enough, so did a big tobacco company.

But maginno so craftily diverted attention from the the similarity of the disclaimers with a personal attack - which you'll note has no basis in logic. I'm quite sure he did this in an attempt to help those who really didn't know the difference between my first like and the second one.

Bravo well done

Another pubic service - helping those of lesser intelligence than yourself feel better about themselves. Again, bravo

[maginno]

That entire post REEKS of just about everything I suspected of you. You see what you did there was you gave me credit for one thing because, well, if you argued against it, that would just make you look silly.

You honestly think I would care what your peeps would call me silly if I answered the way I wanted to? excuse me a moment



They call me that every other day and I haven't changed my views. ask them.

I was right you are operating on all emotion with words like suspicion, slamming and yo Bro I was right. Peace out dude. Good luck on that mind reading degree. enough thread hijacking. Your free to start a Maginno bashing thread. Important people get roasted so I won't mind.