MVP Watch 2008... Part 3.

[Bgil]

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LOL, CUZ THAT'S ALL THEY HAVE. What else are they gonna say? LeBron's stats are too awesome? His team's record is too good? His team sucks too much w/o him? I mean, you don't even see any of 'em saying how LeBron's style of play hurts his teammates. A good majority of Kobe fans have begun watching the Cavs over the last couple of months(kinda like how most MJ fans follow Kobe). And surely anyone watching the Cavs would know just how godawful his teammates are. Did anyone watch tonight's game? LeBron's teammates looked utterly incapable of making a play once Washington turned up the D in the 4th qtr. And I'm not even exaggerating. They are just so darn pathetic. Coach Mike Brown included!

Oh, and not letting LeBron off the hook. He was poor tonight as well. His first off game in 3 weeks. Looked a little tired. Must get tiring carrying garbage every second on the floor.

I called it. People would start saying Lebron's new teammates suck as soon as they started underperforming just like his last teammates did. Clearly there is only ONE constant here and it's Lebron. Obviously, the Cavs style of play is not working well if they're 13th in a league of 30 teams (after being 6th last season).
Lebron = Michael Vick and the Cavs Offense = the Falcons offense.

[NO-KG-AI]

Lol, you sound like the people who were saying the same things about Kobe.

[prekazi]

I don't believe that Cavs style of playing isn't working because they're a back to back 50 wins team and they made the finals last year. With this squad and coach it's a huge achievement. You guys don't want to admit it but that's what it is. I agree Cavs have to change because they're a very limited team. LeBron has to carry all the load in an offensive system which DOESN'T FIT HIS GAME AT ALL. I can't imagine LeBron's numbers on an uptempo team.

Anyway injuries-bad schedule or not, 50 wins look impossible for the Cavs so LeBron is out of the question for the MVP race. I think it's between Kobe-Paul and Garnett from now on. Kobe is the leading candidate because his team is better than Paul's and his stats are better than KG.

[Bgil]

I don't believe that Cavs style of playing isn't working because they're a back to back 50 wins team and they made the finals last year. With this squad and coach it's a huge achievement. You guys don't want to admit it but that's what it is.

50 wins in the East was about equal to 44-47 wins in the West. A solid accomplishment and quite inline with the talent they have (had). getting to the Finals, and past Detroit, was overachieving big time though.

Not hitting 50 wins this season despite more teams doing it than ever before is vastly underachieving. Hell, Washington might hit 45 without Gilbert for most of the season.

[prekazi]

^They won't even hit 50 wins, but it's not LeBron's fault. Don't be harsh on him. He played really hard every night, gave his best, never coasted through a single stretch. It's just this is Cleveland. They don't have enough talent. When injuries hit them they almost become a NBDL team with LeBron. Even Washington, without Gilbert has more talent(offensive) than the Cavs. Anyway call it whatever you want. this who is crappier, Cavs or last year's Lakers debate is really silly. What matters at the end is LeBron shouldn't win MVP with a mediocre team and he won't. Kobe, Paul, Garnett... It'll be fun to watch their race. Especially tonight, Lakers vs Hornets will be awesome. I'm gonna root for Kobe to win the MVP from now on.

[CB4MiamiHeat]

I don't believe that Cavs style of playing isn't working because they're a back to back 50 wins team and they made the finals last year. With this squad and coach it's a huge achievement. You guys don't want to admit it but that's what it is. I agree Cavs have to change because they're a very limited team. LeBron has to carry all the load in an offensive system which DOESN'T FIT HIS GAME AT ALL. I can't imagine LeBron's numbers on an uptempo team.

Anyway injuries-bad schedule or not, 50 wins look impossible for the Cavs so LeBron is out of the question for the MVP race. I think it's between Kobe-Paul and Garnett from now on. Kobe is the leading candidate because his team is better than Paul's and his stats are better than KG.

Is the 1.5 games really a bigger difference that what Paul is doing, having one of the best statisitical seasons for a PG?

ANd Lebron needs to 13-3 the rest of the way...thats not out of reach.`

[prekazi]

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Is the 1.5 games really a bigger difference that what Paul is doing, having one of the best statisitical seasons for a PG?

ANd Lebron needs to 13-3 the rest of the way...thats not out of reach.`

If Lakers finish the season in 1st seed, yes it is. "Leading the West" sounds like a great accomplishment.

Yeah LeBron needs 13-3, 1 month ago I was absolutely sure of "50 wins" but right now it seems unrealistic with all those injuries( Z is really important for this team) and tough schedule full of back2back's.

16th March-Charlotte-win
17th March-Orlando(away)-loss, not because of Orlando because of back2back
19th March-Detroit-loss-No Z No Win
21st March-Toronto-win
22nd March-Milwaukee(away)-can go either way
26th March-New Orleans-loss
29th March-Detroit(away)-loss
30th March-Philadelphia-can go either way
2nd April-Charlotte(away)-win
3rd April-Chicago-?
5th April-Orlando-win
9th April-New Jersey-win
11th April-Chicago(away)-?
13th April-Miami-LeBron won't play the rest. He'll rest for the playoffs.
14th April-Philadelphia(away)
16th April-Detroit

I'll be happy if Cavs can get 45 wins.

[eatyourchildren]

^They won't even hit 50 wins, but it's not LeBron's fault. Don't be harsh on him. He played really hard every night, gave his best, never coasted through a single stretch. It's just this is Cleveland. They don't have enough talent. When injuries hit them they almost become a NBDL team with LeBron. Even Washington, without Gilbert has more talent(offensive) than the Cavs. Anyway call it whatever you want. this who is crappier, Cavs or last year's Lakers debate is really silly. What matters at the end is LeBron shouldn't win MVP with a mediocre team and he won't. Kobe, Paul, Garnett... It'll be fun to watch their race. Especially tonight, Lakers vs Hornets will be awesome. I'm gonna root for Kobe to win the MVP from now on.

I don't understand why people don't think LeBron never coasted through a single stretch. He did. He took 6 games off for a sprained finger in his non-shooting hand.

I don't know how you want to spin it, but it's not something AI did with a broken/fractured finger, and it's not something Kobe did with a torn ligament in his finger.

I understand, they didn't need those 6 games to stay competitive in the East. But why does that matter? They could have been 6 games better than where they currently are now. For all the stats you want to debate, here's a stat that's highly correlated with an intangible-toughness.

[Kirk Moon]

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LOL, CUZ THAT'S ALL THEY HAVE. What else are they gonna say? LeBron's stats are too awesome? His team's record is too good? His team sucks too much w/o him? I mean, you don't even see any of 'em saying how LeBron's style of play hurts his teammates. A good majority of Kobe fans have begun watching the Cavs over the last couple of months(kinda like how most MJ fans follow Kobe). And surely anyone watching the Cavs would know just how godawful his teammates are. Did anyone watch tonight's game? LeBron's teammates looked utterly incapable of making a play once Washington turned up the D in the 4th qtr. And I'm not even exaggerating. They are just so darn pathetic. Coach Mike Brown included!

Oh, and not letting LeBron off the hook. He was poor tonight as well. His first off game in 3 weeks. Looked a little tired. Must get tiring carrying garbage every second on the floor.

wrong, we have a team with the best record in the West.

[INKtastic]

I don't believe that Cavs style of playing isn't working because they're a back to back 50 wins team and they made the finals last year. With this squad and coach it's a huge achievement. You guys don't want to admit it but that's what it is.

50 wins in the East was about equal to 44-47 wins in the West. A solid accomplishment and quite inline with the talent they have (had). getting to the Finals, and past Detroit, was overachieving big time though.

Not hitting 50 wins this season despite more teams doing it than ever before is vastly underachieving. Hell, Washington might hit 45 without Gilbert for most of the season.

There the east vs west thing is being overblown yet again. Last year Clevalnd was 19-11 vs the west. This year they are 18-12. There is nothing at all to support a theory that if they suddenly played another 22 games against the west that they'd do any worse in those games than they did the first 30.

THen on the 2nd part, what is the rational behind your theory that it's now somehow easier to win 50 games? Especially playing so many games with multiple key players out?

[INKtastic]

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Is the 1.5 games really a bigger difference that what Paul is doing, having one of the best statisitical seasons for a PG?

ANd Lebron needs to 13-3 the rest of the way...thats not out of reach.`

If Lakers finish the season in 1st seed, yes it is. "Leading the West" sounds like a great accomplishment.

Yeah LeBron needs 13-3, 1 month ago I was absolutely sure of "50 wins" but right now it seems unrealistic with all those injuries( Z is really important for this team) and tough schedule full of back2back's.

16th March-Charlotte-win
17th March-Orlando(away)-loss, not because of Orlando because of back2back
19th March-Detroit-loss-No Z No Win
21st March-Toronto-win
22nd March-Milwaukee(away)-can go either way
26th March-New Orleans-loss
29th March-Detroit(away)-loss
30th March-Philadelphia-can go either way
2nd April-Charlotte(away)-win
3rd April-Chicago-?
5th April-Orlando-win
9th April-New Jersey-win
11th April-Chicago(away)-?
13th April-Miami-LeBron won't play the rest. He'll rest for the playoffs.
14th April-Philadelphia(away)
16th April-Detroit

I'll be happy if Cavs can get 45 wins.

Now you underrate us. And Z is supposed to be back this weekend.

[LALakers4ever]

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There the east vs west thing is being overblown yet again. Last year Clevalnd was 19-11 vs the west. This year they are 18-12.

Cleveland would be the 10th seed out West. If that doesn't tell you the difference between conferences, I don't know what will. the Cavs may not even get home court in the East with their remaining schedule.

[Andrew Bynasty]

There the east vs west thing is being overblown yet again. Last year Clevalnd was 19-11 vs the west. This year they are 18-12. There is nothing at all to support a theory that if they suddenly played another 22 games against the west that they'd do any worse in those games than they did the first 30.

THen on the 2nd part, what is the rational behind your theory that it's now somehow easier to win 50 games? Especially playing so many games with multiple key players out?

But they're 6-11 agaisnt Western Conference playoff teams. And if they were in the West, they would have to play those playoff teams a lot more. Plus they wouldnt even be making the playoffs this season if they were in the West. So I fail to see how its being "overblown."

[Big Bird]

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There the east vs west thing is being overblown yet again. Last year Clevalnd was 19-11 vs the west. This year they are 18-12. There is nothing at all to support a theory that if they suddenly played another 22 games against the west that they'd do any worse in those games than they did the first 30.

They are 17-12 against Western opposition. 59%. Would not make playoffs in the West. Try again.

[abarl]

All of the people saying that the West is getting overblow is a clear Copperhead.......they have no clue what they are talking about or are just str8 homers...str8 up.....Is anyone else getting pumped for this massive matchup 2nite? I know me and Glory are

[Blame Rasho]

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There the east vs west thing is being overblown yet again. Last year Clevalnd was 19-11 vs the west. This year they are 18-12. There is nothing at all to support a theory that if they suddenly played another 22 games against the west that they'd do any worse in those games than they did the first 30.

THen on the 2nd part, what is the rational behind your theory that it's now somehow easier to win 50 games? Especially playing so many games with multiple key players out?

There is no point talking to you when you fail to understand the entire scope of the disparity between the east and the west.

[Tesla]

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There is no point talking to you when you fail to understand the entire scope of the disparity between the east and the west.

QFT.

The Cavs wouldn't even be in the playoffs in the West (with their same record).

[CB4MiamiHeat]

Cavs would be out of the playoffs..but whats hes trying to say is some people make it sound that if they were in the Western Conference, their record would be worst..

I dont believe that, considering their record vs. the West is better than their record vs. the East.

[Tesla]

I dont believe that, considering their record vs. the West is better than their record vs. the East.

There is no way to know for sure... but lots of things play into that...

The Suns were what like 38-3? a few years back against the East... does that mean they would have a record breaking 75-7 record had they played in the East? No, I doubt that. Sometimes it works out that way. With schedules and such. When you have in your conference, several back2backs, on the road, playing the best teams 4 times, and they are scouting you much differently since you are a conference rival, its much much different.

[Kobay]

Want to add the jet lag you get when you move from west to east?