MVP Watch 2008... Part 3.

RocketPower23 · Post #701 » by **RocketPower23** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:29 am

T-Mac for MVP wrote:Time to throw McGrady's name back into the hat of potential mvp candidates - or perhaps for the first time this season.

Definantly, if he somehow can lead them to the number one spot in the West, it's going to be hard not to give it to him.

Deuce33 · Post #702 » by **Deuce33** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:30 am

T-Mac for MVP wrote:Time to throw McGrady's name back into the hat of potential mvp candidates - or perhaps for the first time this season.

Why?? The Rockets could lose two games in a row and his name would be dropped right back out of the discussion whereas players like Kobe, Pau,KG, and Lebron would still be in the hunt based on their SEASON production rather than a couple months.

LALakers4ever · Post #703 » by **LALakers4ever** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:30 am

T-Mac for MVP wrote:Time to throw McGrady's name back into the hat of potential mvp candidates - or perhaps for the first time this season.

T-Brokebac is playing great, but your streak ends Sunday. That's my stone cold GUARANTEE! :nod:

RobertGlory · Post #704 » by **RobertGlory** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:31 am

houstonboy01 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

its tough for me to buy that.... Lakers, San Antonio, Houston, Charlotte, Jazz... etc beat themselves up throughout the season since they have to play each other 4 times and that will drain some energy on the team....

ummm..

dude?

Deuce33 · Post #705 » by **Deuce33** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:32 am

RobertGlory wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

ummm..

dude?

LMAO... smh

Post #706 » by **INKtastic** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:39 am

G35 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Just because there isn't 1 or 2 teams that is above the rest doesn't mean they aren't elite.

Looking at it from another point of view, the pro WC perspective is that the elite group got bigger.......

Again, I said elite was probably the wrong word.

At the top - did dallas fall off vs last year or not? Did Phoenix fall off vs last year or not?

At the bottom - did Seattle fall off vs last year or not? Did Minnesota fall off vs last year or not?

Don't those 4 teams losing more this year help other teams accumulate more wins?

The other 8 teams in contention didn't suddenly all reach the level Dallas from last year. They are instead as good or better than Denver was last year, with some at the level the spurs were last year (which was good enough to win the championship - which is why I said elite was the wrong word here).

T-Mac for MVP · Post #707 » by **T-Mac for MVP** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:45 am

The 21 win streak has nothing to do with McGrady's chances of winning mvp; well not directly anyways. It's the fact that Houston is now on top of the West even without Yao. If Houston loses the next 2 games and still ends up one of the top 1 or 2 teams in the west I don't see how the next 2 games (which you predict as loses) has any effect on his mvp status....... And quite frankly 2 loses at the end of 21 straight wins doesn't do anything to diminish the 21 wins.....

B-Scott · Post #708 » by **B-Scott** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:45 am

My current top 5

1 Kobe Bryant
2. Chris Paul
3 Lebron James
4. Garnett
5. T-Mac

Kobe can very easily drop to 5 if he cant lead this team without Gasol and Bynum for this stretch. T-mac is leading the Rockets with 150 year old Mutombo playing center.

Mutombo was playing when Gary Payton was a rookie

Kobay · Post #709 » by **Kobay** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:52 am

Mutombo's better defnder than all laker scrubs combined at his age. Plus he gives better sex than anyone.

T-Mac for MVP · Post #710 » by **T-Mac for MVP** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:53 am

Dwight Howard deserves it more than Lebron James at the moment. Lebron is statistically having a phenomenal year but historically the mvp of the league has gone to a player on a team that was either 1st or 2nd in the conference. If we were just going by statistics McGrady should have won at least 1 back in his Orlando days.

Post #711 » by **INKtastic** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:54 am

McGrady pretty much can't win MVP. Any case made for McGrady as MVP is a better argument for KG as MVP as they aren't passing the Celtics in the standings, McGrady's stats don't really stand out, the rockets had a winning record in the 15 games he missed (8-7), and he's really can't finish any higher than 2nd team all NBA as Paul and Kobe are locks for first team.

Post #712 » by **INKtastic** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:55 am

T-Mac for MVP wrote:Dwight Howard deserves it more than Lebron James at the moment. Lebron is statistically having a phenomenal year but historically the mvp of the league has gone to a player on a team that was either 1st or 2nd in the conference. If we were just going by statistics McGrady should have won at least 1 back in his Orlando days.

LeBron's case is diminishing a bit with the recent losses. He needs to close the season strong to stay in the hunt.

Post #713 » by **semi-sentient** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:55 am

B-Scott wrote:My current top 5

1 Kobe Bryant
2. Chris Paul
3 Lebron James
4. Garnett
5. T-Mac

Kobe can very easily drop to 5 if he cant lead this team without Gasol and Bynum for this stretch. T-mac is leading the Rockets with 150 year old Mutombo playing center.

Mutombo was playing when Gary Payton was a rookie

Are you crazy?

The Rockets don't have a stretch where they are playing 4 games on the road against this level of competition. This is the toughest 4 game road stretch that the Lakers have had since the 72-73 season, and Kobe is supposed to "lead" them to victory with nothing resembling an inside presence?

I agree, he will drop, but stop placing impossible expectations on Kobe. There isn't any player in the league that can lead this current squad to wins against this level of competition on the road, unless those teams have a VERY off night.

And don't go talking about Mutombo as if Houston is at some kind of disadvantage. I'd gladly take Mutombo over Turiaf at center, and so would you.

G35 · Post #714 » by **G35** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:00 am

lj4mvp wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I guess you missed the part where Varejao has missed most of the season and where wallace just came back from back problems. Or the part where LeBron has logged 20% of the cavs season as PF.

I wasn't talking about the season. I'm talking up to the minute. Right now Lebron is working with Ben Wallace, Varejao and Joe Smith. Kobe is working with Odom, Turiaf and Mbenga.

Please tell me you don't recognize the difference.......

C'mon Cavs · Post #715 » by **C'mon Cavs** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:00 am

T-Mac for MVP wrote:Dwight Howard deserves it more than Lebron James at the moment. Lebron is statistically having a phenomenal year but historically the mvp of the league has gone to a player on a team that was either 1st or 2nd in the conference. If we were just going by statistics McGrady should have won at least 1 back in his Orlando days.

HAHAHAH. Dwight Howard.

Dwight Howard isnt on the same level of the other players in the MVP debate. In the future he will be, but not today. He isnt even the go to guy down the stretch for that team.

C'mon Cavs · Post #716 » by **C'mon Cavs** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:03 am

G35 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I wasn't talking about the season. I'm talking up to the minute. Right now Lebron is working with Ben Wallace, Varejao and Joe Smith. Kobe is working with Odom, Turiaf and Mbenga.

Please tell me you don't recognize the difference.......

Ok, then lets compare the guards

LeBron is working with Devin Brown and Damon Jones

Kobe is working with Derek Fisher and Jordan Farmar

Please tell me you dont recognize the differnece

Post #717 » by **INKtastic** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:03 am

I partially agree - Kobe can't fall behind T-Mac. The top 3 are pretty much set, the order is up for grabs.

Strange, though, how after kobe fans have spent months arguing against taking team injuries into account when evaluating MVP candidates, now suddenly it's the right thing to do?

T-Mac for MVP · Post #718 » by **T-Mac for MVP** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:07 am

True Rockets were 8-7 without McGrady. But what would their record have been without McGrady AND Yao?? That would be a more fair comparison as they are currently without Yao.

The lineup would be Alston, Head, Battier, Scola, Mt. Mutombo and they would struggle to break 70 points a night because none of them can create their own shots.

Post #719 » by **semi-sentient** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:08 am

lj4mvp wrote:I partially agree - Kobe can't fall behind T-Mac. The top 3 are pretty much set, the order is up for grabs.

Strange, though, how after kobe fans have spent months arguing against taking team injuries into account when evaluating MVP candidates, now suddenly it's the right thing to do?

I'm pretty sure that "Kobe-fans" have in fact taken injuries into account.

Do I really need to repost the amount of time missed by Lakers players this season? Considering that the team is where they are at DESPITE those injuries says quite a lot about how well Kobe has managed to keep the team playing at a high level.

As it stands, the injuries are piling on to a point to where they can't maintain a high level of play, hence the reason Kobe will soon drop into LeBron territory, which is to say that he isn't going to have much of a shot if they don't get a few pieces back soon.

B-Scott · Post #720 » by **B-Scott** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:10 am

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I agree with Mutombo even at 150 years old over Turiaf. Ronny is not a good rebounder at all. It's just plain frustrating watching him get destroyed on the boards.

I dont think the Lakers will slip that far,but if they slipped all the way to 6 or 7 and the Rockets ended up as the 1# seed with Yao out the lineup,then T-mac could possibly move ahead of Kobe. People will look at how they led there teams with there dominate inside prescence out the lineup.

Thats a big IF though