Stars Eye Orlando

magicman123 · Post #41 » by **magicman123** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:58 pm

theTHIEF wrote:Battie and Fran = a couple

some fighting words for Fran's girlfriend :box:

theTHIEF · Post #42 » by **theTHIEF** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:01 pm

I wouldn't compare Maggette to Ariza...Maggette was part of that deal to the clips to help cut down on the salary for T-Mac and Hill, it just had to be done...Ben Wallace the same way, even though I still feel we could have worked something else out...It happens to teams all the time...Ariza though IMO has had what, 3-4 seasons now, and he's been injured a lot and hasn't really proven much on the offensive end...by the middle of Maggette's 3rd season he was a baller...

mhectorgato · Post #43 » by **mhectorgato** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:02 pm

prorl wrote: What do you mean?

BTW, it was dumb giving Maggette guy up. I know that he was given up in order for LAC to take on Strong's contract but u dont just give up good young players like that.

correct me if a wrong - but that was all in an effort to get the trifecta - Hill, MeMac and Timmy.

Optimus_Steel · Post #44 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:07 pm

mhectorgato wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

correct me if a wrong - but that was all in an effort to get the trifecta - Hill, MeMac and Timmy.

That is true, but the kid was on a rookie contract not making much. Could the Magic have sent out futrue draft picks instead of Magz? I know this is talking in hindsight, which i hate, but it might have saved us the trouble of having to decide between guys like Reece Gaines, Ryan Humprhies and the Sassinator LOL.

Magicalltheway · Post #45 » by **Magicalltheway** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:08 pm

mattyBoi wrote:Does anyone else compare Maggette to Ariza...Being young talent and just letting them go for basically nothing.

We seem to do that often...Ben wallace

You are confusing me Mattyboi, I actually dont see the comparison on the latter case you mentioned.

As far as I know we got a starting guard and a pf that combine for almost 14ppg. I loved Ariza will never deny that, but to say we got nothing for Ariza is plain injustice.

On Maggy coming down would be just great, But I just cant see the value in JWilliams, he is old, injury prone and nothing as flashy as he once was. I cant believe Im saying this, but id rather keep Carlos :roll:

mattyBoi · Post #46 » by **mattyBoi** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:24 pm

I was basically just comparing them because yah know they were both young talents with potential to be great and were traded without a really great return...when you consider what they could become...Also we people really wanted both to stay

I like the Ariza trade right now, mainly because Evans is really fitting in with us...But 3-4 years down the road...Ariza should be a stud...I mean hes so young and when he gains weight and muscle and a decent shot he will be scary.

About williams...I dont think there is MUCH of a difference between Arroyo and Williams but i like Williams because hes a vet with championship experience.

mhectorgato · Post #47 » by **mhectorgato** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:29 pm

mattyBoi wrote:I was basically just comparing them because yah know they were both young talents with potential to be great and were traded without a really great return...when you consider what they could become...Also we people really wanted both to stay

I like the Ariza trade right now, mainly because Evans is really fitting in with us...But 3-4 years down the road...Ariza should be a stud...I mean hes so young and when he gains weight and muscle and a decent shot he will be scary.

About williams...I dont think there is MUCH of a difference between Arroyo and Williams but i like Williams because hes a vet with championship experience.

Darko should be a stud also ...

BTW - I've been saying this (potential doesn't always become realized) about Ariza even last season, so it's unrelated to the trade.

Optimus_Steel · Post #48 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:40 pm

mattyBoi wrote:I was basically just comparing them because yah know they were both young talents with potential to be great and were traded without a really great return...when you consider what they could become...Also we people really wanted both to stay

I like the Ariza trade right now, mainly because Evans is really fitting in with us...But 3-4 years down the road...Ariza should be a stud...I mean hes so young and when he gains weight and muscle and a decent shot he will be scary.

About williams...I dont think there is MUCH of a difference between Arroyo and Williams but i like Williams because hes a vet with championship experience.

I think we all like Ariza, but i think alot of people differ on his upside/potential. His potential got overated alot. I dont think he has vast potential. He just doenst have the skills. Just this past summer an ocassional poster would say that Ariza has Tmac like potential which is laughable. For example, when Magz was a rookie, he was always much more skilled than Ariza. We love Ariza, but he still isnt much more than a energetic hustle player. He still has a long long way to go when it comes to developing some skills.

DontPushMe · Post #49 » by **DontPushMe** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:42 pm

magicman123 wrote:howard/lewis/turk/maggette

yeah, stop including nelson in our nucleus, hes a bench player at best

we need to sign a SG this offseason with the MLE, Magette, JR Smith, Childress, whoever. Get Fran over here, and draft either PG or PF help. Marreese Speights would be a perfect fit at PF for us, and i think Kyle Weaver will be a good PG/SG type in the brandon roy mold. Either one of them should be able to be had around where we pick.

MJallday59 · Post #50 » by **MJallday59** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:43 pm

Just curious, do we have the Bi-Annual exception this year??

MJallday59 · Post #51 » by **MJallday59** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:56 pm

DontPushMe wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

yeah, stop including nelson in our nucleus, hes a bench player at best

we need to sign a SG this offseason with the MLE, Magette, JR Smith, Childress, whoever. Get Fran over here, and draft either PG or PF help. Marreese Speights would be a perfect fit at PF for us, and i think Kyle Weaver will be a good PG/SG type in the brandon roy mold. Either one of them should be able to be had around where we pick.

No more combo guards for orlando... I think Reece gaines ruined that for us

Post #52 » by **loflin3hree5ive** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:19 pm

Maggette has never gotten a big payday. He's been playing at a bargain rate his entire career. You're telling me Maggette will pass up his first significant raise to take a pay cut from Orlando, a pay cut which potentially could leave him with half of what he could make by staying in L.A.? He smiled when asked about free agency because it's an opportunity for him to make more money, not less.

theTHIEF · Post #53 » by **theTHIEF** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:23 pm

stranger things have happened...no one here is a fortune teller...

i would agree and did agree that Maggette would stick around in L.A. what with management loving him and him being able to get that big paper, right up until i read this quote

We're not going to the playoffs, so we'll have plenty of time to make that decision

to me, that is the most telling thing about his mental status...he brings up not making the playoffs for a reason i think...

im not saying he's got Orlando on the brain...i'm just saying...if I'm a Clips fan reading that, I'm 75/25 on him leaving...

MJallday59 · Post #54 » by **MJallday59** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:26 pm

loflin3hree5ive wrote:Maggette has never gotten a big payday. He's been playing at a bargain rate his entire career. You're telling me Maggette will pass up his first significant raise to take a pay cut from Orlando, a pay cut which potentially could leave him with half of what he could make by staying in L.A.? He smiled when asked about free agency because it's an opportunity for him to make more money, not less.

...So I'm guessing

Redick, Bogans+ Sign and traded Garrity(One year- 3 million) Should work for Magz??

mhectorgato · Post #55 » by **mhectorgato** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:28 pm

loflin3hree5ive wrote:Maggette has never gotten a big payday. He's been playing at a bargain rate his entire career. You're telling me Maggette will pass up his first significant raise to take a pay cut from Orlando, a pay cut which potentially could leave him with half of what he could make by staying in L.A.? He smiled when asked about free agency because it's an opportunity for him to make more money, not less.

True.

But it's also an opportunity to be part of a truley contending team. With that comes extra exposure and extra marketing opportunities.

Don't know what's more important to him - $ or rings. We'll have to wait and see.

Perhaps we can work out a S&T, or a multi-team deal, instead to get him more $$. I don't think we have enough assets to make that happen though.

Optimus_Steel · Post #56 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:35 pm

As far as im concerned, Magz got his payday when Utah signed him to the offer sheet which the Clips matched. If he is looking for a big payday, an increase or max type or aproaching it, he is not gonna get it with the other FA competition and few teams having cap room. Plus if he doesnt want to be with the Clips anymore, who could blame him. He wont win there. If Maggete wants to win, he wont stay in LA.

Post #57 » by **loflin3hree5ive** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:39 pm

If you're looking for a guy who has a player option who might take rings over dollars whose not going to be in the playoffs this year it's Allen Iverson. You guys are barking up the wrong tree. You can't pay Maggette what he wants and you don't have the pieces for a S&T. I'd be my ass that not even a prestigious legitimate contending team like the Spurs could talk Corey into signing for the MLE. Corey is going where the money is.

Post #58 » by **loflin3hree5ive** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:42 pm

prorl wrote:As far as im concerned, Magz got his payday when Utah signed him to the offer sheet which the Clips matched. If he is looking for a big payday, an increase or max type or aproaching it, he is not gonna get it with the other FA competition and few teams having cap room. Plus if he doesnt want to be with the Clips anymore, who could blame him. He wont win there. If Maggete wants to win, he wont stay in LA.

Maggette will be in the same locker room with the team that was a game away from the WCF two years ago, minus Sam Cassell, plus Al Thornton and a top pick this draft. Not only do we have the money we also have the team. You guys had to sit through Grant Hill's injuries, if anybody can relate to a down year because of players getting hurt I'd imagine it would be the Magic.

Optimus_Steel · Post #59 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:43 pm

loflin3hree5ive wrote:If you're looking for a guy who has a player option who might take rings over dollars whose not going to be in the playoffs this year it's Allen Iverson. You guys are barking up the wrong tree. You can't pay Maggette what he wants and you don't have the pieces for a S&T. I'd be my ass that not even a prestigious legitimate contending team like the Spurs could talk Corey into signing for the MLE. Corey is going where the money is.

Corey will have plenty of time to think about it as he sits on his couch watching the playoffs on TV. Ouch.

goflyakite · Post #60 » by **goflyakite** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:46 pm

Maggette does have strong ties to this area and could make it happen, if he wanted. The Magic would likely have to S&T for him and let ALL fas walk. The rest of the slots would be filled with the MLE, Vet's min. Because any S&T would have to include this year's #1 and also Vasquez...prolly Bogans, Redick.