MVP Watch 2008... Part 3.

[Kobay]

The lakers went from the deepest team to the most depleted team in a month.

[Kobay]

Paul has convinced me completely, he should hands down be the MVP. He scores, puts up incredible assist numbers and rarely turns the ball over. I don't care that Kobe has never won the MVP, thats not relevant to this years race. CP3 = MVP.

I agree but lets not end it here because the end of the season will reveal everything as there's a high chance of teams dropping off and some gaining steam.

[prekazi]

Hahahha now whose teammates are crappier race turned into Kobe vs Chris Paul

[enigmatics]

I'm curious how anyone can consider Kobe, given that the team didn't start to play well until Bynum started to break out and then again when Gasol arrived.

[RocketPower23]

I'm curious how anyone can consider Kobe, given that the team didn't start to play well until Bynum started to break out and then again when Gasol arrived.

Of course, just like every other superstar's team plays well without any help or good teammates.

[enigmatics]

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Of course, just like every other superstar's team plays well without any help or good teammates.

I'm not denying that, but we're talking about "Most Valuable Player" .....not "player who benefits most from having another all-star on the team" .................

[RocketPower23]

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I'm not denying that, but we're talking about "Most Valuable Player" .....not "player who benefits most from having another all-star on the team" .................

You realize that the Lakers had the top spot in the West before they got Gasol and before Bynum went down. As far as I know, Bynum isn't an All-Star and Pau was an All-Star a few years ago. Paul is playing with West Chandler and Peja, two of these players are All-Stars, how can anyone consider him. You want to make an argument bring some more to the table, but don't give me this weak argument.

[Derekman]

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I'm not denying that, but we're talking about "Most Valuable Player" .....not "player who benefits most from having another all-star on the team" .................

ya i guess your right. Then let's take away the 2 Nash MVP's (he had a combination of JJ/Marion/Amare/Diaw/Barbosa in each); let' take away Dirks, the 2 Duncans, and Shaqs, because they all had other all-star talent on their team.

lol, ur ridiculous. MVP's come from elite teams; elite teams usually have more than one all-star. See a correlation here?

[tracey_nice]

I'm curious how anyone can consider Kobe, given that the team didn't start to play well until Bynum started to break out and then again when Gasol arrived.

lol you serious

[Derekman]

enigmatics: better yet, name one player who can carry a team to an elite record without any supporting all-stars or extremely good role players

(When i say extremely good i mean a really good starting 5; Pistons for example)

[Kobay]

I'm curious how anyone can consider Kobe, given that the team didn't start to play well until Bynum started to break out and then again when Gasol arrived.

Laker success comes from getting rid of cancers. And lakers failure comes from missing players that fill important position and not having the replacement for that because the back ups are also injured. Get it?

[enigmatics]

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You realize that the Lakers had the top spot in the West before they got Gasol and before Bynum went down. As far as I know, Bynum isn't an All-Star and Pau was an All-Star a few years ago. Paul is playing with West Chandler and Peja, two of these players are All-Stars, how can anyone consider him. You want to make an argument bring some more to the table, but don't give me this weak argument.

Again, we're talking about both Bynum and Gasol.

Put it this way, the Lakers were 25-11 w/Bynum
20 -10 w/o Bynum
13 - 2 with Gasol (with a 10 game win streak)

............ I'm not attacking Kobe by any means........... but after watching the team take off once Bynum developed and when Gasol arrived, in my eyes it took away from Kobe's MVP credibility.

I think a lot will get decided within the next couple of games as you continue to play without Gasol..........but you've dropped a couple of games in a row now and it shows you the value of a guy like Gasol in terms of the team's success.

[CB4MiamiHeat]

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Laker success comes from getting rid of cancers. And lakers failure comes from missing players that fill important position and not having the replacement for that because the back ups are also injured. Get it?

Honestly, not many teams can miss their 2 starting big men and replace em with 2 guys that can easily be double double guys (Odom & Turiaf).

Most Laker losses have come in bad shooting games by Kobe so he has something to do with it..where as if you look at the past 2 months Paul has played really well in games that they lost, THAT can be attributed to lack of help.

[enigmatics]

enigmatics: better yet, name one player who can carry a team to an elite record without any supporting all-stars or extremely good role players

(When i say extremely good i mean a really good starting 5; Pistons for example)

Please stop trying to minimize the impact Bynum's development had as well as Gasol's trade. For Christ Sakes, you guys went on a 13-2 rip after the Gasol aquisition. Your two longest win steaks this year are with either Bynum in the lineup or Gasol.

Kobe didn't carry your team to an elite record all by himself. Amazing what an up-and-coming center and a former all-star finally getting out of exhile can do for Kobe and his team.

[Derekman]

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Please stop trying to minimize the impact Bynum's development had as well as Gasol's trade. For Christ Sakes, you guys went on a 13-2 rip after the Gasol aquisition. Your two longest win steaks this year are with either Bynum in the lineup or Gasol.

Kobe didn't carry your team to an elite record all by himself. Amazing what an up-and-coming center and a former all-star finally getting out of exhile can do for Kobe and his team.

I never said Kobe carried the Lakers, but your making it seem like that's a requirement of the MVP. Carrying a less than stellar team to an elite record, am i right? And if i am, can you name me a player who can do this?

[Kobay]

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Honestly, not many teams can miss their 2 starting big men and replace em with 2 guys that can easily be double double guys (Odom & Turiaf).

Most Laker losses have come in bad shooting games by Kobe so he has something to do with it..where as if you look at the past 2 months Paul has played really well in games that they lost, THAT can be attributed to lack of help.

Wrong that was last game. Detroit game was example, NO, Dallas game, all game kobe shot well. cleavland game. Now you tell me missing 4 starters where you completely lose defence and go up against west and detroit, your not going in as the favourite. If it was against clippers, seatle and eastern teams and welost i don't mind if loss goes kobe because we expect to win against them by having a super star.

[enigmatics]

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I never said Kobe carried the Lakers, but your making it seem like that's a requirement of the MVP. Carrying a less than stellar team to an elite record, am i right? And if i am, can you name me a player who can do this?

With Bynum or with Gasol, you're team suddenly isn't "less than stellar" ...... that's my point. We're not talking about the Lakers of last year where Bynum was still playing like an infant and Gasol was in Memphis.

[eatyourchildren]

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Please stop trying to minimize the impact Bynum's development had as well as Gasol's trade. For Christ Sakes, you guys went on a 13-2 rip after the Gasol aquisition. Your two longest win steaks this year are with either Bynum in the lineup or Gasol.

Kobe didn't carry your team to an elite record all by himself. Amazing what an up-and-coming center and a former all-star finally getting out of exhile can do for Kobe and his team.

What is your argument? That without Bynum/Gasol Kobe can't get a team that lacks any kind of DPOY player, lacks any kind of 6th man of the year player, lacks any kind of other All-star talent--to the top of the Western Conference?

That only goes to show the kinds of ridiculous expectations put on Kobe Bryant. Last time I checked, the MVP's went to guys that played with other great talents.

Duncan has/d 6th MOY/All-star Manu, All-star TP, and DPOY-candidate Bowen.
Nash had 6th MOY/Barbosa, All-star Amare, All-star Marion, and All-D Bell.

Why require Kobe to take Fish/Walton/Odom/Etc. to a top 4 finish in the West? Do you see any 6th MOY/All-Star/All-D players in that bunch? Kobe isn't an MVP-candidate without Bynum/Gasol, and he is with them. Is that so reprehensible to your sensibilities?

[Derekman]

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With Bynum or with Gasol, you're team suddenly isn't "less than stellar" ...... that's my point. We're not talking about the Lakers of last year where Bynum was still playing like an infant and Gasol was in Memphis.

Again, please read what i'm righting. I'm not talking about Kobe, I'm talking about what you said. You basically said Kobe has to much help to be MVP; i just wanna hear who you think is MVP. Does this person have an elite team, something that has been made as a requirement for the reward for the past 20 years?

[Andrew Bynasty]

I cant remember the last MVP that didnt have at least one other current All-Star on his team. (And Kobe doesnt even have an All-Star on his team this year... Or the past 3 years for that matter)