US versus Them - Game Thread Warriors vs Kings

[turk3d]

I can't stress how important it is who's in the game. CJ Watson (and by the way, I was of the guys who defended him at first, I at least wanted to see him given a chance before I put him down). Now that I've seen him, I can say that CJ Watson will never make anyone better when he's on the court and that's why who you play and when you play them are what's important. I'll say it for the 3rd time again, CJ is fine for giving Baron or Monta a blow (earns his minimum contract) and should not be playing anymore than 10 minutes a game unless it's a blowout. Anything more than that and we're wasting our time. Is CJ going to be the point guard of the future? Absolutely not. Any minutes more than 10 would be much better spent on Wright, Biedrens, Pietrus Harrington and even Barnes. Heck, Cro may have been able to help some last night. He could have at least played Miller and perhaps hit a 3 which no one was capable of doing last night (not sure if he was dressed).

Realize that with guys like CJ it's like playing 4 on 5. Whoever is guarding him is going to be double-teaming Baron, Monta, JAck and even Al. And with Bukie out there as well in a 3 guard set you won't have the advantage that Beans and Wright would give you both defensively (on the boards and in the middle) as well as offensive rebound (as both those guys are offensive rebounding machines). That's one of the reason both Baron and Monta have been so effective this season (with the eception of yesterday) because you cannot focus too much on either, as if yo do the other one will blow by you. This team either has the talent or it doesn't and if it does, it's absolutely the coaches job to make sure these guys bring it every day and if they don't, then it's his job to find the right combinations and to make the right substitutions neceesary to keep them in the game. You cannot tell me that Nellie did that last night.

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[Sid the Squid]

I actually HATE watching Horror Story and CJ chew up and spit out the game of basketball..

[Sleepy51]

I can't stress how important it is who's in the game. CJ Watson (and by the way, I was of the guys who defended him at first, I at least wanted to see him given a chance before I put him down). Now that I've seen him, I can say that CJ Watson will never make anyone better when he's on the court and that's why who you play and when you play them are what's important. I'll say it for the 3rd time again, CJ is fine for giving Baron or Monta a blow (earns his minimum contract) and should not be playing anymore than 10 minutes a game unless it's a blowout.

Um . . . it WAS a blowout. Monta was distracted, and Baron's performance declined steadily over the course of the game. It stopped being a blowout when the unit with CJ on the floor did good. How do you just gloss over that?

Anything more than that and we're wasting our time. Is CJ going to be the point guard of the future?

I don't disagree at all. Playing CJ last night had nothing to do with the future. It had to do with the other guards having a crap game. He was the taxi squad QB, and they rallied.

Absolutely not. Any minutes more than 10 would be much better spent on Wright, Biedrens, Pietrus Harrington and even Barnes. Heck, Cro may have been able to help some last night. He could have at least played Miller and perhaps hit a 3 which no one was capable of doing last night (not sure if he was dressed).

Any and all of those guys should have/and did play last night, except Cro. None of them play PG. You aren't making sense there. Are you suggesting we should have played with no PG on the floor? Or are you suggesting that Baron should have played 40 minutes despite the steady decline in his offensive contribution, and his non-existant defense all night?

Realize that with guys like CJ it's like playing 4 on 5.

Those 4 on 5 were smokin then, because they closed a 20 point gap.

Whoever is guarding him is going to be double-teaming Baron, Monta, JAck and even Al. And with Bukie out there as well in a 3 guard set you won't have the advantage that Beans and Wright would give you both defensively (on the boards and in the middle) as well as offensive rebound (as both those guys are offensive rebounding machines). That's one of the reason both Baron and Monta have been so effective this season (with the eception of yesterday) because you cannot focus too much on either, as if yo do the other one will blow by you.

What does this have to do with last night?

This team either has the talent or it doesn't and if it does, it's absolutely the coaches job to make sure these guys bring it every day and if they don't, then it's his job to find the right combinations and to make the right substitutions neceesary to keep them in the game. You cannot tell me that Nellie did that last night.

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"They" didn't bring it last night. Nellie didn't tell Jack to force stupid shots, and he didn't tell Baron not to guard anyone, and he didn't tell Monta to freak out about his gunned down brother.

Relax, nellie didn't blow this particular game. He'll blow another one soon, but this one was on the players.

They sucked.

[Abyss Impact]

Its official. Kevin Martin is better than Monta Ellis right now.

[Hopper15]

Good....we need something to keep his cap number lower next year. Your word should seal it.

[Abyss Impact]

Good....we need something to keep his cap number lower next year. Your word should seal it.

Your looking into next season already? You don't think we can win a ring? Omfg, what kind of fan are you!?!?!?!?

[Souvlaki]

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Dude, Baron only played 3 minutes the entire 4th and took only 3 shots. How can you blame him? And what about Jack's (2nd half Mr. Clutch) 3-15? I don't blame CJ as much as I blame Nellie for playing him so much, especially in the 4th (CJ played over 11 minutes in the 4th alone). CJ played 11 and Bukie played the entire 4th wheras Baron played 3 minutes, Bukie played the entire 4th quarter. Harrington and Baron played 3 each, Biedrens 0, Barnes played 9 (2 during garbage time). Pietrus played 2 (all during garbage time), you going to tell me that makes sense? Nellie totally f ed that game up. He missed 3 f'in shots and it's his fault. What game were you watching?

Well I guess we watched different games then. The game I watched had the bench making a huge comeback by playing defense and sharing the ball. Baron came in and continued to play lazy defense and hardly passed the ball. The same crap he was doing in the 3rd when we dug a 24 point hole.

But I guess he gets a pass from you because he's a "superstar". LOL

[Souvlaki]

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Really? Cuz it happened 2 times... happened more times to CJ, but we'll give him a pass because he's a D-leaguer

Your just becoming straight pathetic... when we win and its close, Monta's poor D made the game close... when we lose, Monta's D made us lose... I never though I'd see someone carry a grudge so hard after being proved so wrong.... props for your stubborness.

Buke was awesome btw

Your ignorance makes it just too easy to pick on you. I feel all dirty.

Since you don't listen to a thing I say anyway, it would probably be wasted on you to repeat myself here. Monta's defense is ALWAYS a liability. If he's not scoring a ton he's a big negative out there. If he's going to continue to suck, he should be coming off the bench as an energy player. That's all Monta really is anyway, a very skilled, but one dimensional energy player.

I just don't get why you whine about Nelly's system. If it weren't for Nelly's system, Monta would be in the D League and you wouldn't be able to kiss his ass daily on this board.

[Souvlaki]

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Well I guess it's time we finally disagree on something Sleepy. I feel that Nellie was almost single-handedly responsible for this loss and to try and pin on Baron (as some are doing) is entirely ludicrous. Baron only played 3 minutes in that 4th (even if they were not good), I don't see how that can make him the one who lost the game. He was the best player on the floor for the 1st 3 quarters of the game (outside of maybe Martin who basically had no one defending him) and only played 3 minutes of the 4th. When Baron came in at the 5:35 mark, they were down l01-97. When he left at the 2 Minute mark, they were down 115-101. During that stretch Baron missed 3 shots, CJ also missed 2 (and then got blocked by Johnson after Baron left). Jack missed 2 and Bukie missed one and turned it over which resulted in a 14 point lead for Sac (115-101). This is with no Biedrens or Al (or even Pietrus) to have an inside presence for Baron to dish to and no Monta (to take the pressure off Baron). Even he can't drive if he has no one to dish to and can't hit outside shots if they don't need to worry about the off or so-called "shooting" guard.

If not for Baron and Biedrins the first half, we are out of it before we even reach the 3rd quarter. Neither of these guys hardly get any minutes in the entire quarter. That's Nellie, I'm sorry.

Did you not watch any of the 3rd quarter? Seriously?

I have to laugh at people who want to blame losses on the coach for who knows what made up bull reason, but give him no credit for the wins. Fact is, 90% of wins and losses are entirely the result of the players either putting forth maximum effort and winning or laying an egg like they did last night and losing. Blaming the coach is what newbie fans do that can't stand to think their favorite player either had a crappy game or mailed it in like all of the starters last night.

[Souvlaki]

Monta seemed to be in a haze. Not surprising given the trouble at home. When he's having trouble finishing, you know something is wrong.

He should take time off, go home and get things together. Better for us both in the short and long run.

[FNQ]

That's all Monta really is anyway, a very skilled, but one dimensional energy player.
If it weren't for Nelly's system, Monta would be in the D League and you wouldn't be able to kiss his ass daily on this board.

I usually dont actually laugh when I read things... your shtick is almost as good as AI

[Souvlaki]

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"They" didn't bring it last night. Nellie didn't tell Jack to force stupid shots, and he didn't tell Baron not to guard anyone, and he didn't tell Monta to freak out about his gunned down brother.

Relax, nellie didn't blow this particular game. He'll blow another one soon, but this one was on the players.

They sucked.

Sleepy, forget it. Some people have no clue how to watch a game of basketball. They don't see what actually happens on the court, they only see what they expect to see. CJ was just fine last night. I have no clue what Turk was doing while the bench was kicking the Kings ass for 8 minutes in the 4th. He was prolly busy playing with his Baron Davis trading cards.

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I usually dont actually laugh when I read things... your shtick is almost as good as AI

Heh, I suppose you think Nelly's system has nothing to do with Monta's success. That would be about par for the course I suppose.

[FNQ]

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Heh, I suppose you think Nelly's system has nothing to do with Monta's success. That would be about par for the course I suppose.

You know, that's an extremely rational way to take my comments... I'm sure everyone knew I was saying exactly that No help whatsoever.

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Your looking into next season already? You don't think we can win a ring? Omfg, what kind of fan are you!?!?!?!?

He's right....we won't win a ring this year.

What kind of fan am I? At the moment....stone sober. Later tonight I may not be and could believe this is the year we run the table from the 8 seed. Sober? I'm worried the Nugs catch up.