Time To See Or Showcase J.J. Redick

[lovehoops01]

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Your right mhectorgato JJ is not Kapono he is that and much more then Kapono will ever be. So no Kapono is not the greatest shooter in the history of the NBA.
Sorry I had to point out how wrong you are and keep on being when it comes to the greatest.

And in response to lovehoops JJ is not the kind of player who does not give his all to his team. You should read his blogs that he has posted at his website the last one is the best about how he feels about the Magic.
He supports his team to the max so yes he will give his no matter if it is just garbage time or not.

I have read his blogs, and I realize that is a long shot. I really don't believe that he would do that. But I have seen stranger things in the NBA.

I also think J.J. might get more playing time next season if the Magic have a more defense-oriented power forward they can put on the floor with him that also can set some screens for him. A lot will depend on what happens in the offseason, though -- if the Magic hang on to J.J. and if both Mo and Keith are back and how the Magic adjust their roster.

[BassMaster]

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I have read his blogs, and I realize that is a long shot. I really don't believe that he would do that. But I have seen stranger things in the NBA.

I also think J.J. might get more playing time next season if the Magic have a more defense-oriented power forward they can put on the floor with him that also can set some screens for him. A lot will depend on what happens in the offseason, though -- if the Magic hang on to J.J. and if both Mo and Keith are back and how the Magic adjust their roster.

Nice post brilliant response.

[LBPTarHeel27]

Funny thought 1: That LA would even consider trading Walton for JJ

Funny thought 2: That some one on the board said no to taking back Walton.

Wow.

[macdalejax]

Hey, it's another Play JJ thread. JK...I'd like to see JJ play as well. I can understand the frustration he must feel. I was one of those who were glad to see him drafted and figured he'd make an immediate impact on the team being that he spent 4 years at Duke playing the way he did. I thought for sure we got a steal at 14. Now here we are at the end of the second year and he has yet to really play. I guess I'm still shocked.

[mhectorgato]

I suppose it depends on your definition of "generation." I was comparing him to the players in his own draft class as well as the previous and following year's draft classes (a 3 year span). Although I must admit, that is a poor way to definine a "generation" as that term usually does imply a much longer span of time.

-Chris

But Kapono is the best shooter of this generation and the best ever.

*inside joke*

[3-Pt_Shooter]

Actually, believe it or not, I have no connections with Orlando... other than really liking to visit Disney World when on vacation.

Anyway, its very obvious to everyone that Van Gundy just doesn't like J.J. Redick. Which is too bad. Because he will eventually go somewhere else and be a "productive member" of team that appreciates his ability to shoot from the outside. I agree with the one thread that brought up how hard it is to sit on your butt for 2-hours and then be expected to come in and make 3-ptrs...

I also think that he is trying to "make the best out of a bad situation." He was drafted pretty high in the draft only to sit on the bench for the first two years of his career. Don't mistake his trying to have a good time and enjoy himself during warm ups fool you. He is only trying to maintain a positive attitude through this frustrating situation.

[aleZ]

I'm not sure how much stock you can put in those numbers. You're talking about a guy that seldom gets into games, and when he does he's only in there for a couple minutes at a time.

Yeah, I'm talking about a guy who's worked with 2 very different coaches and impressed none. And whenever he gets into games, even for 30secs, he does almost nothing to value him over career backups like Keith Bogans and Mo Evans.

This is getting similiar to the Darko situation last year: best PF ever on this board (for a lot of posters) but still mediocre one year later.

[Bensational]

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Yeah, I'm talking about a guy who's worked with 2 very different coaches and impressed none. And whenever he gets into games, even for 30secs, he does almost nothing to value him over career backups like Keith Bogans and Mo Evans.

This is getting similiar to the Darko situation last year: best PF ever on this board (for a lot of posters) but still mediocre one year later.

it's scary to say, but it is. and i'm a JJ fan.

like the others have said, i don't think he's been given a substantial enough chance to show what he's got. the most frustrating being that he can have a great night, and the next night he's back to a DNP. there's absolutely no consistency in correlation to his performance and future minutes.

i still think he could be a really useful player, but i'm really starting to doubt it'll ever be for this team. he'd need to be more of a focus, whereas, our team needs guys that can create their own shots and do their own thing when Dwight isn't on the court - and that's mostly when JJ's on the court.

[Magicalltheway]

Actually, believe it or not, I have no connections with Orlando... other than really liking to visit Disney World when on vacation.

Anyway, its very obvious to everyone that Van Gundy just doesn't like J.J. Redick. Which is too bad. Because he will eventually go somewhere else and be a "productive member" of team that appreciates his ability to shoot from the outside. I agree with the one thread that brought up how hard it is to sit on your butt for 2-hours and then be expected to come in and make 3-ptrs...

I also think that he is trying to "make the best out of a bad situation." He was drafted pretty high in the draft only to sit on the bench for the first two years of his career. Don't mistake his trying to have a good time and enjoy himself during warm ups fool you. He is only trying to maintain a positive attitude through this frustrating situation.

The more I hear you talk, the more convinced I am that you are JJ or someone very close to him. Either way, We all share his frustration. Us the fans know his capabilities. Yet the fact remains that both Evans and Bogs can shoot the 3 with the difference that they are more effective in guarding the opposing best players. Something JJ cant do. Therefore, this fact gives them priority over JJ. The reason we didnt trade JJ is due to the outcome of this summer. If we lose either Evans or Bogans we will have to have JJ here or include him in a trade to get a 2 to fill that position.

JJ can surly play in this league I dont think any of us doubt that. He just was put in a bad situation here in Orlando. Just be patient and his time will come.

[dieselpower]

I'm pretty sure it's Darko's fault. He was probably messing with JJ last year... "You tha victory cigar now..."

I just don't understand the whole JJ situation, but I'm pretty sure we're not going to see him play in a Magic uniform. Since we haven't seen him yet, there is very little chance we'll see him in these final games. No way, not going to happen. Smitzy, I believe, is dead wrong on this one.

[magicmamma]

the most frustrating being that he can have a great night, and the next night he's back to a DNP. there's absolutely no consistency in correlation to his performance and future minutes.

I don't think coaches of good teams, and SVG in particular, reward bench players for good play with more playing time. Rotation players, yes. But the guys at the end of the bench are there for when they might be useful. Remember the last time Auggie had serious time? SVG was asked about him after the game and he just raved about him, "Every time he's come in, he's played hard and he's played well," and then he said something along the line of that's how young players get playing time. Auggie promptly became DNPCD, and stayed there until he got the flu and switched to IL where he has stayed. It had nothing to do with him. Cookie was ready to go, and he was the player SVG wanted in that slot.

I think PG got off the IL because SVG wants vets for the playoffs -- even as emergency players. You might notice that since SVG came aboard, Otis has quietly changed the team from a bunch of youngsters with a few old guys to a team composed mainly of young vets. I suspect that once they are playing like a veteran team, the younger players will get their chances -- but just one at a time.

This sucks for JJ. But I'm inclined to believe Otis and SVG when they say his time will come. If they didn't want him, I'm sure they could have gotten value for him in a trade. I do believe that it is starting to wear JJ down. Through most of his tenure with the Magic, he has been better every time he's had a chance to play. The last few games he seems to be playing with kind of desperation that is leading to mistakes. I think JJ is too tough a character to be "ruined" by this kind of adversity, but it would be cruel to carry it on another year.

[3-Pt_Shooter]

So, J.J. doesn't play because of his lack of defense, right? Didn't Van Gundy praise him for his defensive play during this past summer league. J.J. also averaged 19.8 points in five games.

And, what about former NBA players like Steve Kerr, John Paxton, Chris Mullin, Criag Hodges, and Jeff Honacek. All of these guys have two things in common. None of them were known for playing particularly good defense, but all of them can shoot the crap out of the ball.

Well, either way, Brian Hill or SVG don't have a clue when it comes to developing young players.

[BassMaster]

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Yeah, I'm talking about a guy who's worked with 2 very different coaches and impressed none. And whenever he gets into games, even for 30secs, he does almost nothing to value him over career backups like Keith Bogans and Mo Evans.

This is getting similiar to the Darko situation last year: best PF ever on this board (for a lot of posters) but still mediocre one year later.

I remember when SVG raved about JJ during the Summer League, I also remember when SVG also raved about the way JJ plays in practice and also John Denton reporter for Florida Today said that JJ was the best SG out their at the several practices that he attended.
Nothing like Darko, Darko just can't play.
I also remember a certain game were JJ scored 10 points in less then 5 minutes of play.
And what do you bring up as an example when he didn't score any points when he played for all of 30 seconds.
You are either smoking something or ..................been hitting your head too often to realize who can play in the NBA or not. Or maybe your just a little now that explains your post about Redick.

[mhectorgato]

So, J.J. doesn't play because of his lack of defense, right? Didn't Van Gundy praise him for his defensive play during this past summer league. J.J. also averaged 19.8 points in five games.

And, what about former NBA players like Steve Kerr, John Paxton, Chris Mullin, Criag Hodges, and Jeff Honacek. All of these guys have two things in common. None of them were known for playing particularly good defense, but all of them can shoot the crap out of the ball.

Well, either way, Brian Hill or SVG don't have a clue when it comes to developing young players.

A) Summer league != NBA

B) If the guys in front of in the rotation shoot the 3 ball well and defend well, then JJ is not bringing anything very much better.

C) I want him to play so we we can shop him this off-season.

[mhectorgato]

I remember when SVG raved about JJ during the Summer League, I also remember when SVG also raved about the way JJ plays in practice and also John Denton reporter for Florida Today said that JJ was the best SG out their at the several practices that he attended.
Nothing like Darko, Darko just can't play.
I also remember a certain game were JJ scored 10 points in less then 5 minutes of play.
And what do you bring up as an example when he didn't score any points when he played for all of 30 seconds.
You are either smoking something or ..................been hitting your head too often to realize who can play in the NBA or not. Or maybe your just a little now that explains your post about Redick.

So is SVG smoking something also? Has he been hitting his head too often as well?

[BassMaster]

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So is SVG smoking something also? Has he been hitting his head too often as well?

I guess you and AleZ are one and the same person otherwise you wouldn't have posted such............and actually posted something that made you think.
I have seen your other posts you like to push people's buttons. Well for me my only answer is your not worth replying to after this.

[mhectorgato]

I guess you and AleZ are one and the same person otherwise you wouldn't have posted such............and actually posted something that made you think.
I have seen your other posts you like to push people's buttons. Well for me my only answer is your not worth replying to after this.

Well you were putting down Alez and said he obviously couldn't judge NBA talent based on JJ.

If that is the case, then the same must be said for SVG.

It's simple logic, nothing to do with pushing buttons.

[BassMaster]

So, J.J. doesn't play because of his lack of defense, right? Didn't Van Gundy praise him for his defensive play during this past summer league. J.J. also averaged 19.8 points in five games.

And, what about former NBA players like Steve Kerr, John Paxton, Chris Mullin, Criag Hodges, and Jeff Honacek. All of these guys have two things in common. None of them were known for playing particularly good defense, but all of them can shoot the crap out of the ball.

Well, either way, Brian Hill or SVG don't have a clue when it comes to developing young players.

Yes mhectorgato I have seen your other posts and their is nothing involving logic with any of them just what kind of reaction you can get from other people who post here. I remember when you were warned because of your posts.
The post above is what most of this post is about I had to add this part about someone who plays with the word logic without ever using logic.


Yes SVG praised Redick about his play this past summer, and yet some will say it was just summer league that doesn't count. Well to those that say that lets see you out on those same courts in the summer and see how you play.
Don't think that is ever going to happen.
It's funny I keep on hearing how great Bogans is yet he keeps on getting scored on left and right, so do you think that is why he isn't starting anymore.
More likely it's because his scoring has slumped well if his scoring doesn't improve I don't see him opting out of his contract this year and testing the free agent market this summer on the other hand who knows.
Do you think he wants more money or not???
Maybe Otis Smith already knows that answer another reason to keep hold of Redick since that would make him the only SG under contract.
I agree with Brian let the other players rest and get some playing experience for the other players. SVG said they will get better with more playing time well STAN here is their chance don't blow it.

[aleZ]

I remember when SVG raved about JJ during the Summer League, I also remember when SVG also raved about the way JJ plays in practice

Summer League means nothing, see where Belinelli went after his 30+ points outburst last summer, he's just not playing for GoldenState exactly like JJ, and he was really the shizz back in Europe. You may have missed the part where I said i LIKE redick but overhyping him won't make him earn any PT at all. The only way out of this situation is...out of Orlando in my opinion.

Also, don't you ever confuse me with Mhec, we're just distant cousins and both old farts

[craig01]

The problem here is that, as others have already said, Redick does not bring anything new to the table.

I'd like to Redick play as much as anyone, but the fact is, is that Bogans already gives the Magic what Redick could. The difference, even though Bogan's defense is hugely overrated, is that Bogans offers a better physical match up than Redick does.

Bogans plays well enough every 3rd to 4th game or so, which I assume in SVG's eyes, is enough to stay in the rotation over Redick.