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Post#61 » by BassMaster » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:37 pm

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Why on earth would we want Tim Thomas? I hate that guy want nothing to do with him.

Duhon is a good back-up. He can set up an offense but more importantly he's a great defensive guard. Those looking for a new starting PG over Jameer are going to be dissapointed with the Free Agent market of PG's being small.

Craig Smith is someone we desperately need. Someone who hustles for boards and someone who can bang. Smith and Battie coming off the bench next year is a huge upgrade over Cook and Foyle.


Plus Duhon isn't a midget.
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Post#62 » by TooNice00 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:36 am

jr smith really is an interesting option. he is very talented. i think he could be a good bench player and is capable of being a 6th man. giving him the rains with our second unit wouldn't be a bad idea. but keep him on the bench because he really doesn't play defense. then again i am not sure the extent of his "headcase."

this teams biggest weakness is having no bench. getting battie back will alow him to spot minutes for dwight and allow him to play along the side of dwight instead of cook coming off the bench. i wouldn't look for major upgrades to the roster instead of a draft pick and maybe signing a backup point guard and some other type of role player. maggette would be great but is def unexpected. ultimately just getting someone off the bench who consistently gives help on either offense or hustle plays will be HUGE for this team. we just have no one off the bench other than keyon.
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Post#63 » by DiplomaticMagic » Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:56 am

yea our bench is weak but i dont like jr smith here..i did like him in the season when we were gonna get him and reggie evans for dooling and garrity LOL. But I wouldnt spend cap space on him.
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Post#64 » by TooNice00 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:06 am

yeah i just want someone off the bench. i don't know who because there are numerous decent options this offseason. But it is obvious the magics bench is their greatest weakness. It is easier to fix bench issues than address a whole new starting backcourt like some are proposing. Our bench just isn't consistent. Having that one player off the bench who can give you 10-12ppg almost everynight is huge. Ideally it would be some type of hustle player.
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Post#65 » by sChOlaRlY_Magi » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:58 am

DiplomaticMagic wrote:yea our bench is weak but i dont like jr smith here..i did like him in the season when we were gonna get him and reggie evans for dooling and garrity LOL. But I wouldnt spend cap space on him.



Yeah, but how great would that trade have been for us considering this year to fill out our roster...

Servicable Big who rebounds & a slasher who isn't afraid and fairly capable of draining the 3.

Sounds almost exactly what most have been stating we need all year. :banghead:
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Post#66 » by maginno » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:00 am

Bleh. Evans has to have a longer stretch before I pronounce him starting material. Wouldn't be surprised at all if come playoff time the board won't be singing a different story about Evans
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Post#67 » by sChOlaRlY_Magi » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:01 am

Plus we can STILL get something for our expirings once the season is over...

I am (not so) secretly hoping that Otis will be able to move up in the draft or maybe get mutiple picks for some of our vet expirings. If we could even move up a little and still address needs via trade/free agency then I may finally think Otis is as smart as HE thinks he is for not trading at the deadline this year!
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Post#68 » by lovehoops01 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:42 am

Soul wrote:We just need a young big man. Haslem, Maxiell, Lee, Wilcox etc like that.


Unfortunately, they all are under contract to other teams.
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Post#69 » by lovehoops01 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:48 am

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Plus Duhon isn't a midget.
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But since you seem to think I only post about JJ I recommend you checkout what I post by clicking on my profile you will notice that most of my posts are about the Magic and alittle about Redick.
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Easy there. I said that you had a theme going, not that you only post on J.J. There is a big difference. Over the weekend and early this week, you posted on a few different things, some of which didn't seem related at all, but somehow they got tied together with Redick being the common denominator.
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Post#70 » by richboy » Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:08 am

No Evans is not a starting SG. IMO a starting level NBA player is a top 20 player at his position. No way would Evans make even my top 20 SG list.

Could you go to finals with Evans? Yes if you have the talent around him. He not going to be the reason you win a series though. Your not winning a title with a backcourt of Evans and Jameer Nelson.

Interesting stat on 82games. We become one of the worst offensive teams in the league when Foyle is playing. Looks like Evans has the opposite effect. The less he plays the better the defense gets.
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Post#71 » by maginno » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:24 pm

richboy wrote:Interesting stat on 82games. We become one of the worst offensive teams in the league when Foyle is playing. Looks like Evans has the opposite effect. The less he plays the better the defense gets.

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His career stats are not all that impressive either. By the start of the next season he's 30 years old. He's had a good run but I tend to believe you got what you got when a player is that age. He's no starter. 2006 season with the lakers he put up similar numbers and they were willing to package him and cook to get a question mark player in Ariza. Like I said wouldn't be surprised if a few months from now the love affair with Evans won't be over.
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Post#72 » by TooNice00 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:31 pm

evans is okay. solid player and a good pickup this season. but he is one of those players that is replaceable. i wouldn't be surprised if the magic let him go if they still have bogans and redick on the roster which is likely. Orlandos biggest concern this offseason will be the backcourt and its depth. SVG took forever to settle on a rotation and the backups still change once in a while. The PG and SG positions are also the easiest to fix and are much more abundant this summer.
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Post#73 » by ProfX » Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:47 pm

Cammo101 wrote: In a perfect world both he and Jameer would be backups and we would improve both backcourt positions. PG is the more pressing need IMO. We are a better PG and a 6th man type rugged big man away from being a title contender.


Amen :bowdown:

I think if we just upgrade PG we have all the other pieces but until we have a 6' 3 + that can distribute and hit the three at 38% we are a second round team. I think we should move up in the draft for a good rookie Point and use the MLE to upgrade the SG spot..

So JJ+pick=Jerryd Bayless
MLE =Maggette

Next year we could have

Jameer,/Dooling/Bayless
Maggette/ Bogans
Hedo/Evans
Lewis/Battie/Cook
Howard/Adonal/Fran
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Post#74 » by drsd » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:23 pm

For those who oppose a player such as Ricky Davis replacing Bogans and Evans at starting SG, look at last night's box score.

Bogans and Evans were 2-8FG in 58 minutes played. They were 1-5 on FTs. Had 4 rebounds total. And 7 PFs.

Not good.

And if you think JJ is a solution, he was 0-5 with a TO in 9 minutes played.
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Post#75 » by mhectorgato » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:27 pm

drsd wrote:For those who oppose a player such as Ricky Davis replacing Bogans and Evans at starting SG, look at last night's box score.

Bogans and Evans were 2-8FG in 58 minutes played. They were 1-5 on FTs. Had 4 rebounds total. And 7 PFs.

Not good.

And if you think JJ is a solution, he was 0-5 with a TO in 9 minutes played.


Will you post the boxscore if Ricky has a bad night?

Will you post the boxscore if MoE has a good night?

What about Mo's 7 assists and 1 TO last night? Is that not worthy of mentioning?

(Not saying that Mo is the best we can do, or that he's the perfect 2 guard for us.)
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Post#76 » by drsd » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:23 pm

mhectorgato wrote: Will you post the boxscore if Ricky has a bad night?


Three most smelling box scores of the recent past.
3/24 Davis was 4-14 with only 10 points in 39 minutes (W)
3/14 Davis was 5-13 with only 11 points in 44 minutes (L)
3/07 Davis was 3-13 with only 10 points in 47 minutes (L)

To be fair though, Miami sucks and opponent teams can over emphasizes guarding Davis.

I won't list Evans "best" box scores, as they are not that different from Davis' worst.

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Post#77 » by mhectorgato » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:41 pm

drsd wrote:I won't list Evans "best" box scores, as they are not that different from Davis' worst.


19 points on 7-8 FGs and 2-3 3FGs, 1 steal, 4 rebs, 0 TOs, 2 assts
16 points on 6-8 FGs and 2-2 3FGs, 5 rebs, 0TOs
16 points on 6-11 FGs and 3-6 3FGs, 2 steals, 4 rebs, 0TOs, 3 assts

These are "not that different" than what you posted?

Both players fill different roles on teams - Mo is the 5th option, and Ricky has been 2nd, 3rd, and now perhaps the 1st.

I wouldn't be against having Ricky here. In the past I was more up on him than lately. Not sure if it's just that he's been in bad fits of late or if it's just him.
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Post#78 » by Cammo101 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:46 pm

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Amen :bowdown:

I think if we just upgrade PG we have all the other pieces but until we have a 6' 3 + that can distribute and hit the three at 38% we are a second round team. I think we should move up in the draft for a good rookie Point and use the MLE to upgrade the SG spot..

So JJ+pick=Jerryd Bayless
MLE =Maggette

Next year we could have

Jameer,/Dooling/Bayless
Maggette/ Bogans
Hedo/Evans
Lewis/Battie/Cook
Howard/Adonal/Fran


Barring something unforseen, JJ + our pick will get us nowhere near Bayless. JJ or Bogans plus our pick could possibly get us Collison or Augustine though.
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Post#79 » by ProfX » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:59 pm

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Barring something unforseen, JJ + our pick will get us nowhere near Bayless. JJ or Bogans plus our pick could possibly get us Collison or Augustine though.


how about Westbrook?
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Post#80 » by spinedoc » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:15 pm

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Barring something unforseen, JJ + our pick will get us nowhere near Bayless. JJ or Bogans plus our pick could possibly get us Collison or Augustine though.


I agree, Bayless along with Rose is out of reach for us. Augustin is ok, but he's another midget like Nelson. I'm hoping for Collison too, I think he's the third best point in the draft. As far as Westbrook goes, he's a combo guard and only 6-4. Tall enough for the pg spot, but too small to play sg for us.

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