Possible Big Man for the Jazz

Jazzercise · Post #1 » by **Jazzercise** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:55 pm

Hey all,

I was wondering what your opinion would be on a possible big man available for the Jazz around 24+. In my opinion we ABSOLUTELY need some athletic bigs who can run around and play some D (especially shot blocking). From most of the mocks I see I notice R.Lopez and Thabet (sp?) being gone who I both really like. Who is still available in this range who isn't a slow stiff. Thanks

OrangeBull · Post #2 » by **OrangeBull** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:39 pm

McGee, White, Hardin, Ibaka, Jawai and there are some guys who could drop there but probably won't declare if their stock is that low like Speights, Arthur, even Randolph.

riehldeal · Post #3 » by **riehldeal** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:44 pm

Post #4 » by **moocow007** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:15 pm

Jazzercise wrote:Hey all,

I was wondering what your opinion would be on a possible big man available for the Jazz around 24+. In my opinion we ABSOLUTELY need some athletic bigs who can run around and play some D (especially shot blocking). From most of the mocks I see I notice R.Lopez and Thabet (sp?) being gone who I both really like. Who is still available in this range who isn't a slow stiff. Thanks

Robin Lopez would give you an athletic big man that can run around and play D (and block some shots). Would probably be the best fit IMHO. Something along the lines of a more stable version of Sideshow Bob of the Cavs.

Thabeet might be interesting but I don't know that he necessarily is the right fit for a team coached by Jerry Sloan who probably expects a little more readiness then maybe Thabeet (who will make a lot of mistakes early on in his career) can give them.

Thabeet has the higher upside but I think Thabeet would be better elsewhere. Also, I doubt, because of the upside, that he'll be around at no. 24.

Devon Hardin, Joey Dorsey, one of the Maryland forwards (i.e. guys that have played a lot of college ball and that has been on successful teams in the same exact kind of roles as the Jazz would be asking of them) might also be nice fits at the bottom of the 1st. If some toughness mixed in with athleticim, intensity and shotblocking off the bench is what you're looking for they would/could all fit.

Serge Ibaka an atletic freak wouldn't be a fit, again, for the same reasons why Thabeet wouldn't be only multiplied several times over.

fugop · Post #5 » by **fugop** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:09 pm

If Earl Clark comes out, he'd be a perfect fit.

bill curley II · Post #6 » by **bill curley II** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:35 am

Lopez, McGee, and Thabeet will be gone by the time Utah picks.

Hardin should be available, but he played like crap this year, and its not like he's inexperienced in the college game, he's coming out after all four years at Cal. But since I'm guessing you're looking for an athletic, defensive center to eventually take over for Okur, Devon might be worth the minimal risk of a late 1st, since he still is a great ahtlete at nearly 7 ft.

DBurks2818 · Post #7 » by **DBurks2818** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:30 am

Robin Lopez *might* be around. He'd be perfect, from skill to skin tone.

corwin · Post #8 » by **corwin** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:46 pm

You already have Fesenko as a center prospect. I'd go for a young PF with a little size & toughness for your team. Someone who has played a few years in college. DJ White sounds perfect to me.

Post #9 » by **Young_Star11** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:33 pm

They already have Paul Millsap.

He's undersized, but he brings toughness and interior defense to their team.

What about a backup PG/backup SF?

The Jazz are definitely primed for a championship run.

Post #10 » by **tsherkin** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:37 am

They also already have Fesenko; I don't see Utah drafting big unless it's explicitly to send him to the NBDL.

Post #11 » by **el loco** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:46 am

I think moocow007 nailed it if the Jazz go for a center. They have a history of drafting centers and big bodies from Stanford. (Collins, Borchardt, and O'keefe were all drafted by Utah out of Stanford).

Post #12 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:58 am

DBurks2818 wrote:Robin Lopez *might* be around. He'd be perfect, from skill to skin tone.

Really? Is it true the Jazz hate black people?

DBurks2818 · Post #13 » by **DBurks2818** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:13 am

DelaneyRudd wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Really? Is it true the Jazz hate black people?

All I'm saying is, they tend to go out of their way to sign/draft/trade-for lighter-toned players. (Ridiculous extension for) AK, (Huge contract for) Boozer, Okur, (trading up for) Williams, Almond, Price... And this is just recently. It's not a coincidence.

ponder276 · Post #14 » by **ponder276** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:50 am

DBurks2818 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

All I'm saying is, they tend to go out of their way to sign/draft/trade-for lighter-toned players. (Ridiculous extension for) AK, (Huge contract for) Boozer, Okur, (trading up for) Williams, Almond, Price... And this is just recently. It's not a coincidence.

You honestly believe the Jazz take skin colour into account when putting their team together? They get the best possible players, regardless of skin tone. I can't figure out whether you're a racist, or just stupid.

DBurks2818 · Post #15 » by **DBurks2818** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:38 am

The proof is in the pudding.

ponder276 · Post #16 » by **ponder276** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:35 am

DBurks2818 wrote:The proof is in the pudding.

In 2006 the Jazz used their 3 picks to draft Ronnie Brewer, Dee Brown and Paul Millsap, pretty clearly showing they have no bias against dark skinned players. They have drafted/signed a slightly disproportionate number of fairer skinned players simply because they happened to be the best players they thought they could draft/sign.

DBurks2818 · Post #17 » by **DBurks2818** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:46 am

http://nbainsidestuff.wordpress.com/2007/09/04/8/

"2005: Okur+Kirilenko+Harpring+Giricek+Ostertag+Humphries = 6
2004: Harpring+Giricek+Kirilenko+Borchardt+Humphries+Lopez+Handlogten = 7
2003: Kirilenko+Lopez+Ostertag+Harpring+Pavlovic+Giricek +Gugliotta+Handlogten = 8
2002: Harpring+Kirilenko+Stockton+Padgett+Ostertag = 5
2001: Stockton+Kirilenko+Padgett+Crotty+Ostertag+LaRue = 6
2000: Stockton+Ostertag+Crotty+Padgett = 4
1999: Stockton+Hornacek+Ostertag+Keefe+Padgett+Chilcutt = 6
1998: Hornacek+Stockton+Ostertag+Keefe+Fuller+Foster = 6
1997: Hornacek+Stockton+Keefe+Foster+Ostertag = 5

Over the past 10 years, the Jazz only once had a roster that didn

ponder276 · Post #18 » by **ponder276** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:19 am

The Raptors are a whiter team than the Jazz, but Toronto is one of the most multicultural cities in the world.

DBurks2818 · Post #19 » by **DBurks2818** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:26 am

They've only been "whiter" since Colangelo, not having changed owners or anything. There isn't a big enough sample size for them yet.

But the Jazz have been this way for around 2 decades.

Villanova1L · Post #20 » by **Villanova1L** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:56 pm

DBurks2818 wrote:http://nbainsidestuff.wordpress.com/2007/09/04/8/

"2005: Okur+Kirilenko+Harpring+Giricek+Ostertag+Humphries = 6
2004: Harpring+Giricek+Kirilenko+Borchardt+Humphries+Lopez+Handlogten = 7
2003: Kirilenko+Lopez+Ostertag+Harpring+Pavlovic+Giricek +Gugliotta+Handlogten = 8
2002: Harpring+Kirilenko+Stockton+Padgett+Ostertag = 5
2001: Stockton+Kirilenko+Padgett+Crotty+Ostertag+LaRue = 6
2000: Stockton+Ostertag+Crotty+Padgett = 4
1999: Stockton+Hornacek+Ostertag+Keefe+Padgett+Chilcutt = 6
1998: Hornacek+Stockton+Ostertag+Keefe+Fuller+Foster = 6
1997: Hornacek+Stockton+Keefe+Foster+Ostertag = 5

Over the past 10 years, the Jazz only once had a roster that didn