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[Sixerscan]

Skill set? No.
Work ethic? Yes.
Development? Yes.
Level of Competition? Yes.


Also you forgot to tell the people that Steve Francis averaged 25 ppg during his sophomore season.

... in community college.

I'm guessing you've never actually seen Derrick Rose (Or Steve Francis) work out, so I would stop commenting on their work ethic if I were you.

Plus development? What the hell? He's a freshman.

[tk76]

I almost made the KK reference- but no way KK grabs 10 rebounds per game like Bird in his prime. KK just gets by on his looks and his jumper.

[SendEm]

Skill set? No.
Work ethic? Yes.
Development? Yes.
Level of Competition? Yes.


Also you forgot to tell the people that Steve Francis averaged 25 ppg during his sophomore season.

... in community college.

I'm guessing you've never actually seen Derrick Rose (Or Steve Francis) work out, so I would stop commenting on their work ethic if I were you.

Plus development? What the hell? He's a freshman.

Work ethics are public knowledge on top level players. This isn't 1957.
Work ethic is more than just "working out" it also include commitment. Steve Francis said out of his own mouth that he wasn't committed to basketball until he dropped out of high school. He started 1 game in high school.

If Derrick Rose had his mind elsewhere in life he wouldn't be as good of a basketball player just like Stevie at the same age. It CAN'T be difficult to understand that right?

Ummm as far as development Rose is a better player at the same age. But they both have the same skill set. They both aren't floor generals. It just will take you all a few years and a few comments from well known television analysts to come to the conclusion that Rose isn't a true PG, whereas I SEE IT NOW!

[dbodner]

Also you forgot to tell the people that Steve Francis averaged 25 ppg during his sophomore season.

In community college.

As a sophomore.

You presented your "stats" as "proof" like they could be compared directly and were on an even ground. You've been spinning ever since.

[freshie2]

I thought he didn't like to use stats, but relied on watching the actual play on the court. Francis was another undersized gunner. Rose plays more like an actual PG.

Why are they being compared again? b/c they are both around 6'4" and weigh the same? I know we need to wait for Salmi to make a reference to have any independent thought, but they are not even close to being the same type of player. If Rose has the same character as Francis demonstrated as a pro, then yes, he will be a disappointing pro as well.

[SendEm]

Also you forgot to tell the people that Steve Francis averaged 25 ppg during his sophomore season.

In community college.

As a sophomore.

You presented your "stats" as "proof" like they could be compared directly and were on an even ground. You've been spinning ever since.

Francis was 2 years older? So. They still have the same type of game, it's just that Rose is a more willing passer but he isn't a better passer, just more willing to sit back and watch his teammates score.

[Sixercise]

Sheesh. Even a 6-year-old can tell that Francis & Rose aren't the same type of player.

[Sixercise]

Oh, and when was a 'true PG' ever on a NBA championship team in recent memory?


2007: I'm not sure that Tony Parker can be considered a true PG in all aspects, although I think that his killer speed & penetration are essential for a 'true PG'.

2006: J-Will: Had a long history of being too cute with the ball. Not a true PG in most aspects.

2005: see 2007.

2004: Billups is more of an Isaiah Thomas than a Steve Nash.

2003: see 2005 & 2007.

2000-2002: Fisher....who was more of a 3-pt shooter than anything.


Case in point: true PGs aren't your #1 key to winning championships. It's big men. Please, Ed, go after Brand.

[P2K]

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They both aren't floor generals. It just will take you all a few years and a few comments from well known television analysts to come to the conclusion that Rose isn't a true PG, whereas I SEE IT NOW!

C'mon now. Mods, just admit this is Ricky under another name.

[Johnny Broad-Street]

This is ridiculous. What does this guy even bring to the forum?

[The_Pope]

Comparing college prospects to established NBA players is pretty redundant in my opinion, everyone is unique. Having said that, Baron Davis looks to be a fairly good match for Rose.

[IggyTheBEaST]

Us being Elton Brands 1st choice, source?

[76erinSJ]

Thats what I wanted to know. Where did Brand say we are his 1st choice. Oh and I think Rose will be the next Wade, Lopez will be the next Gasol, Love will be the next Brad Miller with better D and Beasly will be the next DC.

[SendEm]

Oh, and when was a 'true PG' ever on a NBA championship team in recent memory?


2007: I'm not sure that Tony Parker can be considered a true PG in all aspects, although I think that his killer speed & penetration are essential for a 'true PG'.

2006: J-Will: Had a long history of being too cute with the ball. Not a true PG in most aspects.

2005: see 2007.

2004: Billups is more of an Isaiah Thomas than a Steve Nash.

2003: see 2005 & 2007.

2000-2002: Fisher....who was more of a 3-pt shooter than anything.


Case in point: true PGs aren't your #1 key to winning championships. It's big men. Please, Ed, go after Brand.

Sorry, Billups is a true point guard and they won a CHIP with him. Big men mean more than PG's but PG's are second and long perimeter players are third. Rose isn't a true PG so he isn't significant to creating a contender right now. Could he become a true PG one day? Sure but when that day comes he still will not be an elite passer, it will revolve around how well he executes the plays for his team and not how he picks the defense apart with his elite passing ability like Chris Paul, Deron Williams and Nash.

[Mik317]

wait........wat?

[Mik317]

WTF are we talking about Derrick Rose anyway?........SendEm derails topics something fierce.

stay on topic people.

[freshie2]

One last off topic comment...Billups didn't come into the league as true PG, nor is he an elite passer. He uses his body very well, defends, makes great decisions and hits clutch shots. Probably a better comparison than Francis...not sure why Francis was brought up in the first place.

[dbodner]

WTF are we talking about Derrick Rose anyway?........SendEm derails topics something fierce.

stay on topic people.

You brought it up by suggesting Iguodala being used to trade up in the draft.

[76erinSJ]

No one answered me. When did Brand say we were his 1st choice?

[Mik317]

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You brought it up by suggesting Iguodala being used to trade up in the draft.

then I said that look out for Mayo and Griffin.................Iggy isn't worth a top 2 pick .

I didn't come up with these rumors. I've just been hearing them out in the cosmos alot.

I think Iggy could potentionally be worth a higher pick form a team like Portland or if Mil or Chicago doesn't like guys like Dalinari(sp?) or Batum. They might trade it for a guy like Iggy. either Ed can get them to add young talent ( Thomas or Charlie) or he gets hosed and adds in young talent to go even higher. But the thing is Iggy is going to be shopped. That doesn't mean he's gone because I could just as easily see Him come in get a contract done and ending anything.

as for the Brand Thing, I was surprised to not see a topic here ( it was a big reason for the thread to be created, as you know I don't make Threads to often......here atleast). But I've heard that Brand is either fed up wiht $terling's cheapness or just wants to go to a place on the rise not on the decline.

I just want comments on the rumors not some dude talking out the anus about how awesome his crappy skill-seeing talent.