Decide my argument: I Say Rose Could Start on 20 Teams NOW

DerrickRose23 · Post #1 » by **DerrickRose23** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:49 am

Decide my argument: I Say Rose Could Start on 20 Teams NOW

What do you think?
ATL
BOS
CLE
Cha
Chi
Den
Hou
Ind
LAL
LAC
Memp
Min
Mia
New J
New York
Orl
Port
Sac
Sea
Was (Gil at the 2)

Teams he cant
Detroit-Billups
Dallas- Kidd is better then him
GSW-Davis is better than him
SAS-Parker "
NOH- Paul
UTA- Williams
PHX- Nash

Up in the Air
PHI- Miller
Toronto- Calderon/Ford
Mil- Williams

What do you guys think?

richboy · Post #2 » by **richboy** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:21 am

Well your screen name should say it all. Your assuming a lot. This isn't college next year. Could he bench Bibby right now? Raymond Felton? Kirk Hinrich. He could start for Phil Jackson in the triangle right now? Conley couldn't start but Rose can?

Historically even some of the best rookies barely play at average NBA level there first year. Matter of fact Chris Paul first year the Hornets actually played better with Speedy Claxton in the game.

Really I would take your post more seriously but if you think its up in the air that Rose is better than Calderon, Ford, or Andre Miller right now then you have to be joking.

giberish · Post #3 » by **giberish** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:34 am

DerrickRose23 wrote:Decide my argument: I Say Rose Could Start on 20 Teams NOW

CLE - maybe
Chi - maybe
Den - maybe
Ind - maybe
LAC - yes
Memp - maybe
Min - yes
Mia - yes
New York - yes
Port - maybe
Sac - maybe
Sea -maybe

What do you guys think?

Rose is valuable to the NBA based on what he will do in a few years, not what he could do now. At his age even one years improvement is big. By next year he could start for more teams than now.

The only teams where Rose would definitely start are lottery teams with no other good long term options at pg. Those teams would start him even if he struggled just to build for the future.

He might start for some other lottery teams where he would be clearly the best long-term option even if they have some other competent options for now.

A few playoff (or playoff contending) teams might start him if they have a major weakness at pg, but that's very few teams.

ponder276 · Post #4 » by **ponder276** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:47 am

You think Rose is going to start over veterans like Bibby and Fisher, or experienced youngsters like Harris and Rondo? I don't. He has sh*tloads of potential, but he's still very raw in a lot of aspects (left hand, 3-ball, etc.). Very few rookie point guards can start over the guys I listed above. To give you an idea, let's look at Deron Williams:

- Also a top PG prospect, but more experienced than Rose (played 3 yrs of college ball, not 1)
- Played very well in his rookie season, finishing as runner-up for ROY to Chris Paul
- His only competition at PG were terrible guards like Keith McLeod and Milt Palacio (unless I'm forgetting someone?)
- Still only started about half the time in his rookie season (47/80)

It is simply very hard for rookie PGs to start over a veteran PG (especially rooks who only have 1 year of college), even if they're way more skilled than the vet, because the PG position requires such advanced decision making/experience. There is no way Rose starts over Bibby, Fisher, Harris, Rondo, etc. in his rookie season.

DanTown8587 · Post #5 » by **DanTown8587** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:14 am

He would be a better PG of the future on many teams, but he is not better from day 1.

DanTown8587 · Post #6 » by **DanTown8587** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:16 am

By the way, I love that you think Mo Williams is in the class of Calderon and Andre Miller. Priceless.

Serpo · Post #7 » by **Serpo** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:40 am

Why would he start over Harris in Jersey ?

Post #8 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:20 pm

The more I think about it, the more Rose reminds me of Devin Harris on two levels.

I think that Rose is a ways off from being a starting PG ini the NBA. I think he'll take the Devin Harris road. He'll come to the NBA with a bit of hype, gets given the starting PG job in his rookie season, disappoints by the quarter way point of the season, has the starting gig taken off him, plays a support role as a combo guard off the bench at the 1 and 2 for the next 2 or so years and then finds his own. If people think he's going to have a huge impact from day 1 in the NBA, I think they are mistaken.

He'll need some time to "get it" - just like Harris did.

Not only that, but their game styles, builds and skills are very alike.

yearsago · Post #9 » by **yearsago** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:21 pm

He would have started last year for the Sonics, so yes.

MalReyn · Post #10 » by **MalReyn** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:57 pm

I think Michael Beasley could start for more teams NOW than Rose could. Historically PGs have the largest learning curve when coming to the NBA. It's hard to learn to run a team at this level.

Post #11 » by **UGA Hayes** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:50 pm

I think he will be starting caliber after the all star break. once you get past the top NBA PG most of them stink and aren't difficult to surpass.

Cammo101 · Post #12 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:38 pm

I think he maybe starts on 8 of those teams.

BubbaTee · Post #13 » by **BubbaTee** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:05 pm

I think Rose could start for:

Boston - next to Garnett and Pierce the PG doesn't have a ton of decision-making responsibility, just play D and score when given the chance.
Charlotte - he would start at SG like a rookie Felton did alongside Knight, less decision-making responsibility.
Chicago - co-PG just like Williams/Crawford or Hinrich/Crawford.
Denver - PG on offense, SG on defense. Not much decision-making, give it to AI/Melo and get out of the way.
Indiana
Clippers - co-PG with a healthy Livingston, full-time PG otherwise.
Memphis - starting is less meaningful in platoon situations. He could start, but wouldn't work a 35-minute shift.
Minnesota - Foye can shift to SG.
Miami
New York
Orlando - Magic are so starved for PG defense they employ Keyon Dooling.
Sacramento
Seattle
Washington - could start, but better suited to 2nd unit.

endemicBull · Post #14 » by **endemicBull** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:48 pm

Derrick Rose can count on both hands the number of games he has lost since the 7th grade. I don't think he'd have a problem starting on any of those teams by the all-star break...

MalReyn · Post #15 » by **MalReyn** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:36 pm

endemicBull wrote:Derrick Rose can count on both hands the number of games he has lost since the 7th grade. I don't think he'd have a problem starting on any of those teams by the all-star break...

All-Star break is different than NOW.

Very few PGs come into the league and are handed the reigns to a team right away.

Chris Paul
Steve Francis
Allen Iverson
Jason Kidd
Damon Stoudamire

I'm sure there's some I'm missing, but those are the only I can think of who were given their teams PG slot from Day 1 in the last ~15 years or so. Many more very good rookie PGs won the starting job by midseason, once they had adjusted. But it's very tough to come into the NBA level as a PG and deal with the increased speed of the game.

Malinhion · Post #16 » by **Malinhion** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:25 am

Decide my argument: I Say Rose Could Start on 20 Teams NOW

What do you think?
ATL - well, come on.
BOS - arguable. I think Rondo has done very well and would keep the job for now.
CLE - sure.
Cha - might get the nod over Felton. Arguable.
Chi - ehhh...Chicago has players but no production.
Den - only because AI is technically a SG
Hou - sure, but not when Alston is playing like he did during the streak
Ind - only because Tinsley is always hurt/in trouble
LAL - no way Phil plays a rookie over a vet who he won a championship with
LAC - the clippers are a mess
Memp - they just burned a lotto pick on a PG. I think you have to commit to him, but I would rake Rose.
Min - Depends where they play Foye
Mia -

New J - Uhhh...they got Harris for Kidd. They also drafted some talent at the 1 not too far back
New York - Walsh is praying for him to start
Orl - Indeed
Port - Jarret Jack? Sergio Rodirguez? Protland is rebuilding anyhow, juts stick Rose in there and let them gel
Sac - Bibby should have retired years ago. His salary is atrocious.
Sea -
Was (Gil at the 2) - Washington runs the princeton, there is no 1. Rose would flourish there, as many guards like Stevenson, Hughes, and Butler have.

Post #17 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:39 am

I'd start him at the two in NO :lol:

ponder276 · Post #18 » by **ponder276** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:21 am

Malinhion wrote:Decide my argument: I Say Rose Could Start on 20 Teams NOW

What do you think?
ATL - well, come on.
BOS - arguable. I think Rondo has done very well and would keep the job for now.
CLE - sure.
Cha - might get the nod over Felton. Arguable.
Chi - ehhh...Chicago has players but no production.
Den - only because AI is technically a SG
Hou - sure, but not when Alston is playing like he did during the streak
Ind - only because Tinsley is always hurt/in trouble
LAL - no way Phil plays a rookie over a vet who he won a championship with
LAC - the clippers are a mess
Memp - they just burned a lotto pick on a PG. I think you have to commit to him, but I would rake Rose.
Min - Depends where they play Foye
Mia -
New J - Uhhh...they got Harris for Kidd. They also drafted some talent at the 1 not too far back
New York - Walsh is praying for him to start
Orl - Indeed
Port - Jarret Jack? Sergio Rodirguez? Protland is rebuilding anyhow, juts stick Rose in there and let them gel
Sac - Bibby should have retired years ago. His salary is atrocious.
Sea -
Was (Gil at the 2) - Washington runs the princeton, there is no 1. Rose would flourish there, as many guards like Stevenson, Hughes, and Butler have.

Your opinion is questionable at best . . .

bigballa3jj · Post #19 » by **bigballa3jj** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:44 am

bibby plays for the hawks........

Malinhion · Post #20 » by **Malinhion** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:14 pm

bigballa3jj wrote:bibby plays for the hawks........

Well damn. You're right. I guess this is why I shouldn't leave posts in the middle of the night after I've been drinking all day.

I haven't even checked out how Bibby is doing in the ATL. The only Hawks I pay any attention to are Josh Smith, Joe Johnson, and Al Horford. I guess this will change if they clinch a playoff spot and codify my boy Horford's RoY campaign.