2008 General Draft Discussion: Who to take with our picks?

G_MoNeY · Post #101 » by **G_MoNeY** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:46 pm

I think we should do something like this..

Trade 20's pick + RJ + Swift to IND for JO + Shawne Williams

Draft Douglas-Roberts (may be too early) or Donte Green with our other pick.

Serpo · Post #102 » by **Serpo** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:01 pm

Look when we don't extend Nachbar we would need two wings not just one . Nachbar is good enough to be a 6th man on certain days but also bad enough on others to not get off the bench on a team with other wing players on the bench ( and we don't have that right now )

Keep Nachbar AND get new wings . Nobody knows if the new guy coming in isn't far worse then Boki and thats very possible.

Boki is a solid contributer off the bench who's not going to cost that much unlike guys having a good year right now . These guys will cool down once they're contract year is over and will be far more expensive .

MrDollarBills · Post #103 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:18 pm

Crapbar can still be our back up 3, i have no problem with thorn resigning him for a cheap price because he really isn't worth more than the league minimum if you ask me, but we need other perimeter players off the bench to step up on the 6 out of 7 nights Boki doesn't show up

Serpo · Post #104 » by **Serpo** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:11 pm

League minumum yeah , look at how many much more terrible ball players get so much more money then him . Thats not even funny .

I hope we can sign him with a minimal raise of his current salary that'll be fine with me.

NetsForce · Post #105 » by **NetsForce** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:08 pm

I agree with most of what Serpo said trading Nachbar isn't the solution, the Nets woud be best served keeping him and then adding another wing player whether through the draft, free agency, etc. so that the Nets have MORE THAN ONE scoring option off the bench.

MrDollarBills · Post #106 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:43 pm

I was kidding about the veteran's minimum guys.

vincecarter4pres · Post #107 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:01 pm

Diop sucks.
He is nothing but a big body with a long wingspan.
His defense isn't even that good.
Just blocks some shots.
His career high is 10 points. 10 points!
I understand he isn't there for his offense, but he is an offensive liability. Flat out.The guy blows dunks and layups left and right, if he even catches a pass when in the lane with his concrete mitts.
B Ball IQ? Right.
We could find a guy like this in a YMCA in Los Angeles or Chicago.
Get off his Johnson.
I mean the guy has averaged 2.3 fouls per in 14.5 minutes per for his 7 season career. You do the math.
There is a reason he has played so few minutes per for so many years for 3 different teams, for a guy who is supposed to be this amazing
shot blocker and rebounder.

G_MoNeY · Post #108 » by **G_MoNeY** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:25 pm

Diop doesn't suck, he just needs to be implemented in the right system. He did very well last year for Dallas. They'd love to still have him. It's just with us, and our young bigs, he's not getting the nod as much as he would on other teams. You make him sound like Jason Collins offensively. He's leaps and bounds better than that. It's very hard to come by bigs in the pros, when you get one, even if it's for 10 minutes a night -- you hang onto them.

I also wouldn't mind keeping Nachbar, depends on the price, I have a feeling many teams will overpay (as many teams do in free agency) and he'll walk. He's not worth more than $4-5M, I can see teams giving him around $6-7M per. Too much!

Serpo · Post #109 » by **Serpo** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:29 pm

Well you can play Diop a lot more when you have a PF thats able to score 25 PPG and draws doubles and lures Centers out of the paint.

He can score on uncontested layups and dunks but its not like we can giv e him that . None of our others bigs ever get doubled .

S.I.C. GM · Post #110 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:42 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:Diop sucks.
He is nothing but a big body with a long wingspan.
His defense isn't even that good.
Just blocks some shots.
His career high is 10 points. [b]10 points![/b]I understand he isn't there for his offense, but he is an offensive liability. Flat out.The guy blows dunks and layups left and right, if he even catches a pass when in the lane with his concrete mitts.
B Ball IQ? Right.
We could find a guy like this in a YMCA in Los Angeles or Chicago.
Get off his Johnson.
I mean the guy has averaged 2.3 fouls per in 14.5 minutes per for his 7 season career. You do the math.
There is a reason he has played so few minutes per for so many years for 3 different teams, for a guy who is supposed to be this amazing
shot blocker and rebounder.

How quickly people forget.

10 pts is great compared to what we had for years.

TWIN I MISS YOU!!!!!!

S.I.C. GM · Post #111 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:45 pm

I am for keeping Boki but like some said FRANK needs to stop playing him at PF. The guy is a 3 not a 4. Hassell is a 2-3 not a 4. FRANK sucks. Hassell and DIop are going to help us with D. Frank just doesnt understand. HASSELL CANT GUARD 4s.

kamaze · Post #112 » by **kamaze** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:45 pm

All anyone should expect out from Gana is him blocking up the middle, getting some rebounds, and blocking some shots. If he had an offensive game he'd be a starter getting paid.
The Nets finally get some big men that can rebound (Swift and Diop) and people want to get rid of them.

S.I.C. GM · Post #113 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:51 pm

kamaze wrote:All anyone should expect out from Gana is him blocking up the middle, getting some rebounds, and blocking some shots. If he had an offensive game he'd be a starter getting paid.
The Nets finally get some big men that can rebound (Swift and Diop) and people want to get rid of them.

You are so right.

We have enough bigs. Now people want to trade RJ for another big. Who the hell wants to give up their Bigs.

kamaze · Post #114 » by **kamaze** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:23 pm

Trades usually happen when there's something wrong with the player.
Bad contract, injured, bad character.
Rod Thorn allways gets the upperhand in trades.
Look what he got Vince for 3 picks Alana, ATrain and that other guy forget his name.
Who thought we could get someone with some talent for Collins? Stromile Swift if nothing else is cheaper AND he can play.
Jason Kidd for Devin Harris, Gana Diop, Hassell and 2 first round picks?

I'd be shocked if he made a bad trade with RJ.

vincecarter4pres · Post #115 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:50 pm

kamaze wrote:Trades usually happen when there's something wrong with the player.
Bad contract, injured, bad character.
Rod Thorn allways gets the upperhand in trades.
Look what he got Vince for 3 picks Alana, ATrain and that other guy forget his name.
Who thought we could get someone with some talent for Collins? Stromile Swift if nothing else is cheaper AND he can play.
Jason Kidd for Devin Harris, Gana Diop, Hassell and 2 first round picks?

I'd be shocked if he made a bad trade with RJ.

Agreed.

vincecarter4pres · Post #116 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:54 pm

S.I.C. GM wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You are so right.

We have enough bigs. Now people want to trade RJ for another big. Who the hell wants to give up their Bigs.

Sorry man, Diop sucks. Horrible unless he is a 8-10 minute a game, situational guy for the league minimum or close to it.

Swift, not so hot either, just an athlete with no post game, poor defense, that doesn't like to pass much, who can block some shots off the weakside and make exciting highlight reel plays.

Neither of these guys are the "bigs" we have been looking for.
Matter of fact they aren't even the complimentary bigs we have been looking for. Boone is.

These 2 scrubs have no bearing on trading RJ for a standout 4/5.

Also I am not personally for trading RJ for any old upgrade at the 4/5, only for a major upgrade that makes sense on all levels and accomplishes something.
Such as at bare minimum making and competeing in the EC Finals.

kamaze · Post #117 » by **kamaze** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:32 pm

You're dead on about Diop and Stroshow as well. Stro's got all that potential but it hasn't come together it probably never will.
He seems so eager to get his stats, doesn't pass, bad attitude. Not what we're looking for.
Just remember we traded Jason Collins (saved money) for Stro.
Thorn'll figure out what to do with him.

I doubt RJ's going to get us a quality big who's not old or injured but Thorn usually proves me wrong.

RJ 24 · Post #118 » by **RJ 24** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:39 pm

Theres no way Diop should be a Net next year. Im not saying he's bad, but we are overwelmed at PF/C. The only big man we need in the offseason is a big time one. Im sick of having these 2nd rate guys year in and year out. Lets look at it this way, Nenad will most likely be resigned and Swift is certainly taking the option. Thats

Nenad
Boone
SWAT
Swift

If we sign Diop, thats 5 2nd tier big men and most likely a rookie, giving us 6 big men. Diop will not come for the min and resigning him would be a waste of money.

Nenad/SWAT/Swift
Boone/Rookie

The rookie will most likely be one of the best natural big men in the draft at 9-12.

vincecarter4pres · Post #119 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:48 pm

I still love the idea of drafting Kevin Love if he is still available and Mayo and Gallinari are already gone.

RJ 24 · Post #120 » by **RJ 24** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:09 pm

If we get the Mav's 1st round pick this year and end up where projected (picks 9-12) and (20-23), I want-

1A- Anthony Randolph PF/C
1B- Brandon Rush SG
2- Joe Alexander SF

With this draft, I don't see a need for a major trade. Diop and Boki would not be resigned.

PG- Harris/Marcus
SG- VC/Rush/Ager
SF- RJ/Hassell/Alexander
PF- Nenad/Swift/Swat
C- Boone/Randolph

Not only will Josh have a great season under his belt, but Marcus will come in healthy and Swat will most likely be a more mature player. Rush will become that shooter that we have been needing since Kerry Kittles and Randolph will be that big presence in the middle. Alexander will battle Ager for that 12th spot on the active roster.

If we could somehow package Ager and Hassell for whatever we can get, I would do that, but I can't see a team giving us expirings for them. Trading Hassell will give us the option to resign Boki because I can't see them both being on the team.