MVP Watch 2008... Part 5

Post #721 » by **Doctor MJ** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:32 pm

Honestly, I'll be shocked if Kobe doesn't win the award. All the people so paranoid of everyone conspiring to keep Kobe down seem comical to me.

Derekman · Post #722 » by **Derekman** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:33 pm

With that Spurs win, Kobe just cemented himself as your 2008 MVP.

King Bryant · Post #723 » by **King Bryant** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:34 pm

Derekman wrote:With that Spurs win, Kobe just cemented himself as your 2008 MVP.

I hope you're right but I have a bad feeling CP3 will still get MVP. :oops:

ILikeTheGrizz · Post #724 » by **ILikeTheGrizz** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:35 pm

@ assuming and/or deciding that people are "changing the criteria". You people are insane. Who has changed their criteria? Jon Barry? Say Jon Barry then.

NetsForce · Post #725 » by **NetsForce** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:36 pm

I'm going to laugh if KG gets MVP instead of Paul or Kobe.

lunatic4jc · Post #726 » by **lunatic4jc** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:42 pm

NetsForce wrote:I'm going to laugh if KG gets MVP instead of Paul or Kobe.

people are saying that KG single-handedly turned the celtics team around.. they are forgetting that pierce has been every bit as good as KG all year.. and they're forgetting about some veteran named ray allen..

lunatic4jc · Post #727 » by **lunatic4jc** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:46 pm

JordansBulls wrote:Chris Paul's team wasn't even in the playoffs last year and they have only added Mo Pete who has not been good with them.

CP3's team didn't make the playoffs last year because david west and peja sat out a bunch of games.. This year, they are healthy.

Kobay · Post #728 » by **Kobay** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:48 pm

Ray allen, you mean the guy thats won games after games with his clutch shots for Boston? Ironically despite being in the east they are couple of games ahead of lakers by the game they won with last shot.

eatyourchildren · Post #729 » by **eatyourchildren** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:57 pm

Ginobli for MVP

SA37 · Post #730 » by **SA37** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:27 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:Honestly, I'll be shocked if Kobe doesn't win the award. All the people so paranoid of everyone conspiring to keep Kobe down seem comical to me.

I agree.

It seems the majority of the press surrounding the MVP has focused on Kobe and how it is incredible he doesn't have an MVP to date. (Although, having played with Shaq in his dominant years and never having been the leader of a contending/top team, it really shouldn't be a surprise.)

If anything, I think writers have been looking for any excuse to give him the award, with the majority of their commentary having little to do with what he has done this year and more to do with legacy and what he is seemingly "owed."

That said, the guy has had a great year and deserves to be a front-runner for the award based on what he has actually done this season.

eatyourchildren · Post #731 » by **eatyourchildren** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:32 pm

The 'Sympathy' Machine is kicking into gear, apparently:

Mike Monroe's NBA Beat: Why Kobe should be MVP

Web Posted: 04/12/2008 07:57 PM CDT

Mike Monroe
San Antonio Express-News

No kidding - Kobe is obvious MVP choice

Bruce Jenkins

Sunday, April 13, 2008, SF Chronicle

And as for the supposedly "ridiculous" notion that Kobe's not been the best player in the game for a hot second:

Byron Scott wrote:"I don't think he's been runner-up. I don't think he's come in third. I think it's remarkable that he hasn't and for the past five or six years, he's been the best player in this game."

Sting3r · Post #732 » by **Sting3r** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:44 pm

[quote="SA37"][/quote]

actually i feel its been quite the opposite. Writers have been doing all they can to find an excuse why not to give Kobe the MVP. Its coming to the point where their are no more excuses and writers are starting to fold in as shown above..

JordansBulls · Post #733 » by **JordansBulls** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:03 am

Also I have been wondering what happens if the Rockets get the #1 seed?

Will Mcgrady get any love?

ILikeTheGrizz · Post #734 » by **ILikeTheGrizz** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:05 am

If love= top 5, maybe. Otherwise, no. Although it would be funny to look back at this thread if KG wins it, it's just Kobe and Paul now with the WC winner taking it. Or at least, WC winner should.

SA37 · Post #735 » by **SA37** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:11 am

Sting3r wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

actually i feel its been quite the opposite. Writers have been doing all they can to find an excuse why not to give Kobe the MVP. Its coming to the point where their are no more excuses and writers are starting to fold in as shown above..

I think this year was looked at as Garnett's MVP to lose. Had Garnett put up, say, 21-12-3 with his usual 1-2bpg 1spg, he'd probably have won the MVP.

His numbers are so down and the west has been so competitive that, despite changing the culture and helping Boston achieve the greatest turn around in history, it is difficult to say he's been better than Bryant or even Paul.

Kobe/Paul for MVP picked up steam in the second half of the season when it became clear Garnett wasn't going to come close to finishing with statistics that could compete with Kobe's, Paul's or LeBron's and the west was so competitive.

Since that time, roughly February, the media, to me, has been backing Kobe, with a few exceptions recently.

eatyourchildren · Post #736 » by **eatyourchildren** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:13 am

ILikeTheGrizz wrote:If love= top 5, maybe. Otherwise, no. Although it would be funny to look back at this thread if KG wins it, it's just Kobe and Paul now with the WC winner taking it. Or at least, WC winner should.

This column does not have a vote. Judging from reports around the country, some of the voters say they'll wait until the end of the regular season to make the call between Bryant and Paul, but that makes no sense. What, Paul's Hornets finish one game behind the Lakers and suddenly he's not the best candidate? Would such a finish cost Byron Scott his shot at Coach of the Year? Nonsense. The Western Conference will be so competitive as to make an immediate joke out of records and seedings. All of the necessary evidence is in for individual awards, and the MVP is an easy call from here.

http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/jenkins/

ILikeTheGrizz · Post #737 » by **ILikeTheGrizz** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:40 am

So says that guy. I consider Kobe's great season while dealing with injuries and Paul's having an absolutely historic season to be a wash. The tiebreaker for me is the W-L. I mean did you link me to Jenkins or to Jesus? Why is his opinion any more credible than mine? Considering he said the MVP race is "easy" to call, I'd say it's actually less.

dub81 · Post #738 » by **dub81** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:45 am

Still gotta go with Paul.

He made Tyson Chandler into a all-star caliber center

David West-All Star player..

They would not be where they are without CP3....

I love Kobe, he had his best season I believe.. But when you have Lamar, Paul Gasol, and Andrew Bynum who was having a great season b4 he got hurt.. He had alot of help..

CP3 had a full season with Peja, but it's basicaly the same nucleus they had since last year.

LakerRings · Post #739 » by **LakerRings** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:46 am

CB4MiamiHeat wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

NOH had a 2-1 lead on the Lakers..most people that hyped up that game as the deciding game were Laker fans. It was 1 game.

My criteria was never based on wins alone..if that was the case KG would be running away with it in my eyes, being 25-5 vs. the West and 7 games ahead of the 2nd best team.

Right now Kobe and Paul have the same records...same stats...same head to head record...i just dont see how anyone can see that one of them created a gap from the other.

Hmmn. That's a tough one. Maybe because Hornets have had essentilly no injuries all season and Lakers have lost Bynum, Pau, and Kobe is achieving his numbers with a constantly changing starting 5, and is playing with a torn ligament in his shooting hand. :rofl:

LakerRings · Post #740 » by **LakerRings** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:48 am

dub81 wrote:Still gotta go with Paul.

He made Tyson Chandler into a all-star caliber center

David West-All Star player..

They would not be where they are without CP3....

I love Kobe, he had his best season I believe.. But when you have Lamar, Paul Gasol, and Andrew Bynum who was having a great season b4 he got hurt.. He had alot of help..

CP3 had a full season with Peja, but it's basicaly the same nucleus they had since last year.

Bynum played in just 35 games total for the Lakers this season.

Gasol has only played in 25 games for the Lakers this season.

KWAME BROWN STARTED 14 GAMES AT CENTER FOR THE LAKERS THIS SEASON.

The starting 5 for the Hornets have played together in 70+ games.

The teams have the same record.

Do the math.