The official Nets off-season move's topic

Smills91 · Post #21 » by **Smills91** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:47 pm

Here's a deal I like for all three teams involved:

Kings deal:
John Salmons
Shelden Williams
#46 pick overall

Kings receive:
TJ Ford

Raptors deal:
TJ Ford
Jorge Garbajosa
#17 pick overall

Raptors receive:
Richard Jefferson

Nets trade:
Richard Jefferson

Nets receive:
John Salmons
Shelden Williams
Jorge Garbajosa
#17 pick overall

Kings get a PG under contract prior to the draft
Raptors get an upgrade on the wings and commit to Calderon
Nets get a nice rebuilding package including a mid first and a cheap RJ replacement who averaged 18/5/4 as a starter at the 3 this past season.

vincecarter4pres · Post #22 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:52 pm

Well I don't hate it if we are either going the blow up route, or are going to trade our expirings for a legit big time big man and need to clear some salary.
I like the deal a lot better with Sacto's 1st rounder though.

vincecarter4pres · Post #23 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:56 pm

Garbajosa is an intruigeing player as well if he ever comes back from that horrible leg break.
Although he is a little old, but he is an expiring.
Maybe Sacto should take his contract, I don't know.

vincecarter4pres · Post #24 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:13 pm

Something like:
NJ sends:
RJ

Sacto sends:
Shelden Williams or SARS
John Salmons
12th overall

Toronto sends:
17th overall
Garbajosa
TJ Ford

NJ recieves:
12th overall
Salmons
Williams or SARs

Sacto recieves:
TJ Ford
Garbajosa
17th overall

Toronto recieves:
RJ

TJ is BYC, but I believe that is only till mid summer, so this trade couldn't happen pre draft. I don't know if I am right on that or not.
If that is the case this trade would basically be dead, as the Nets would more than likely be looking to combine at least 2 of their 3 picks to move up.

Smills91 · Post #25 » by **Smills91** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:18 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:Well I don't hate it if we are either going the blow up route, or are going to trade our expirings for a legit big time big man and need to clear some salary.
I like the deal a lot better with Sacto's 1st rounder though.

Enough to take Kenny Thomas' deal instead of Williams and Garbajosa's expiring deals? I'd GLADLY drop 5 slots from late lottery to early playoff to get that extra year of salary off, for a rebuilding team.

Smills91 · Post #26 » by **Smills91** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:20 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:Something like:
NJ sends:
RJ

Sacto sends:
Kenny Thomas
John Salmons
12th overall

Toronto sends:
17th overall
Garbajosa
TJ Ford

NJ recieves:
12th overall
Salmons
Kenny Thomas

Sacto recieves:
TJ Ford
Garbajosa
17th overall

Toronto recieves:
RJ

TJ is BYC, but I believe that is only till mid summer, so this trade couldn't happen pre draft. I don't know if I am right on that or not.
If that is the case this trade would basically be dead, as the Nets would more than likely be looking to combine at least 2 of their 3 picks to move up.

This is how it'd have to change to work for Sacto.

Kings would never agree to your proposal IMO. Salmons/Williams(who was the principled 'value' piece in the Bibby trade/#46 for Ford is the MAX I'd pay for the guy. If we only had one 2nd round pick I wouldn't include that to get Ford.

vincecarter4pres · Post #27 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:22 pm

Do you know if this trade is even possible with Ford's BYC1 status?
I am a little familiar with the CBA, but not completely.
If you our anyone else knows can you explain?

Smills91 · Post #28 » by **Smills91** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:27 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:Do you know if this trade is even possible with Ford's BYC1 status?
I am a little familiar with the CBA, but not completely.
If you our anyone else knows can you explain?

Hmm, good point cuz the deal would take place before July 1st. Might need to work around that! :-D

Smills91 · Post #29 » by **Smills91** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:51 pm

Here's a variation that works within the CBA and Ford's BYC status....

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

Kings deal:
Salmons
Williams
#46

Kings receive:
Ford
Graham

Raptors deal:
Ford
Graham
Garbajosa
Baston
#17 overall

Raptors receive:
Jefferson
Ager
#46 overall

Nets deal:
Jefferson
Ager

Nets receive:
Salmons
Garbajosa
Baston
Williams
#17

That should work under the CBA with Ford's BYC status and is virtually the same trade as before with a couple throw-in filler players to push the deal forward.

Post #30 » by **jerseyjac** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:58 pm

I dont want anything to do with that trade...^^^^ I'll keep RJ...

Smills91 · Post #31 » by **Smills91** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:16 pm

jerseyjac wrote:I dont want anything to do with that trade...^^^^ I'll keep RJ...

Why?

You'll get out of RJ's deal, get a solid replacement, have the 10, 17, 21 picks(just screaming to have 2 of the three used to trade up in this draft).

Get some young assets on small contracts. If you moved Vince then you're all set to completely rebuild around Harris/Williams/and your new rookies.

I think this is a great trade for the Nets.

Salmons put up ~18/5/4 as a starter on 50/38/81 %'s
He'd fill in nice for RJ and now the NEts have room to manuever under the salary cap next year, ESPECIALLY if they move Vince for mostly expiring contracts.

I just don't see why NJ wouldn't do this deal?

Post #32 » by **jerseyjac** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:21 pm

First of all I'm not sold on a complete rebuild...and if we do it, its definitely not this way...

as I've said before...there are many fans who overrate every year's draft...and they really dont consider how much of a crap shoot it is...

I rather combine our picks and move up if anything and keep RJ...

and props to Salmons, but he is not RJ in the very least...we'll see what he puts up next year...still not proven so to speak, so I think your getting ahead of yourself with that name...

vincecarter4pres · Post #33 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:18 pm

Yeah, I'm not in love with this trade by any means, but I do have a soft spot for Salmons.
A very underrated player.

Smills91 · Post #34 » by **Smills91** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:17 am

Salmons had a very good season a year ago, and he started 41 games this season. THat;s 1/2 the season that he started and posted those numbers. That's a pretty large sample size. I know you didn't get much access to Kings games this year, but the guy was just a beast filling in for Ron/Martin throughout the season. Very VERY underrated player. But IMO either Salmons or Artest will get dealt this off-season and I think Salmons is the more feasible trading chip.

kamaze · Post #35 » by **kamaze** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:46 am

I'm not informed about the Kings but my opinion is Salmons found his niche in the open court play in the WC concentrating on scoring. Not so sure he'd flourish under the control of L Franky.
Sheldon Williams would be a good pickup young and a low salary player no way does Sac give him up.

Thorn has a goood track record with trades he's robbed a couple of GM's.

Smills91 · Post #36 » by **Smills91** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:03 am

kamaze wrote:I'm not informed about the Kings but my opinion is Salmons found his niche in the open court play in the WC concentrating on scoring. Not so sure he'd flourish under the control of L Franky.
Sheldon Williams would be a good pickup young and a low salary player no way does Sac give him up.

Thorn has a goood track record with trades he's robbed a couple of GM's.

Honestly, he'd be doing it here again. Salmons would be RJ-lite, add another 1st rounder, and get salary relief. All the makings of a perfect rebuild trade to a team that just moved the 'face of their franchise'.

If Petrie had received this kind of offer for artest(similar situation to team and impact as player) he would have easily biten on it, IMO.

I think some of you are being blinded for you love for RJ, this really is a good deal for NJ.

vincecarter4pres · Post #37 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:36 am

Smills91 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Honestly, he'd be doing it here again. Salmons would be RJ-lite, add another 1st rounder, and get salary relief. All the makings of a perfect rebuild trade to a team that just moved the 'face of their franchise'.

If Petrie had received this kind of offer for artest(similar situation to team and impact as player) he would have easily biten on it, IMO.

I think some of you are being blinded for you love for RJ, this really is a good deal for NJ.

Yeah I tend to agree with you, although I still think we should get the 12th pick and you guys get the 17th.
Truthfully I don't even think this would be a rebuild trade, but more of a retool and rearange.
Rod would probrably do this to clear cap room if he had another deal on the table trading expirings and young talent and or picks for a legit big man such as Brand, and he still wanted a solid SF.
I think people are underrating Salmons all around game though.

kamaze wrote:

I'm not informed about the Kings but my opinion is Salmons found his niche in the open court play in the WC concentrating on scoring. Not so sure he'd flourish under the control of L Franky.
Sheldon Williams would be a good pickup young and a low salary player no way does Sac give him up.

I don't think is actually to concerned with Shelden. He probrably isn't going to be much more than a solid rotational big, although it is really to early to tell.
Probrably become a trading chip for a young shooter/scoring wing with a similar contract.
And actually I think Salmons could do just fine here.

S.I.C. GM · Post #38 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:22 pm

I am too lazy to read all these posts, but

Did anyone mention James Jones?

Just read an article that "Thorn is likely to target a number of cost-effective free agents this summer, including unrestricteds such as Keyon Dooling, Matt Barnes, Mickael Pietrus, Trevor Ariza, Kelenna Azubuike and Eduardo Najera, and a possible opt-out such as James Jones. "

http://www.nj.com/nets/ledger/index.ssf ... thispage=2

MrDollarBills · Post #39 » by **MrDollarBills** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:30 pm

SIC, good point

Isn't James Jones a decent 3pt shooter????

I like Ariza, but would rather take a shooter instead. i still think we can get some milage out of Trenton Hassel as a bench defensive specialist as long as we have him defending GUARDS and some SFs, and not defending PFs like that moronic excuse of a coach had him doing during the season

vincecarter4pres · Post #40 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:50 pm

S.I.C. GM wrote:I am too lazy to read all these posts, but

Did anyone mention James Jones?

Just read an article that "Thorn is likely to target a number of cost-effective free agents this summer, including unrestricteds such as Keyon Dooling, Matt Barnes, Mickael Pietrus, Trevor Ariza, Kelenna Azubuike and Eduardo Najera, and a possible opt-out such as James Jones. "

http://www.nj.com/nets/ledger/index.ssf ... thispage=2

Yeah, I am personally a big James Jones fan.
I think I would rather Jarvis Hayes or Fred Jones, but I am on the fence.
Fred is more of an all around spark who can create his own shot, but James is the better outside shooter.
I think I like Jarvis Hayes all around game better, but he is injury prone and might cost more.
Mickael Pietrus is gonna cost the full MLE or close to it, so I don't see him as a realistic option.
Matt Barnes is hit or miss.
Not a Dooling fan, never was.
Ariza is just a defender, finisher, energy guy. No thanks.
Najera, meh.
Azubuike is a very interesting player.