Dirk to the Warriors in a Mavs Re-Build!

N.O.R.E. · Post #1 » by **N.O.R.E.** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:00 pm

Trade 1:

Warriors Trade: Ellis (S&T), Al Harrington, Rights to Westbrook, minor filler

Receive: Dirk, Terry

Biedrins/Diop?
Dirk/B.Wright
Barnes/Azubuike/Jackson
Jackson/Terry/Bellinelli
Davis/Terry

The Warriors go the winning route instead of enduring another long-term re-build.

Mavs Receive: Ellis (S&T), Al Harrington, Jordan, minor filler

Trade 2:

Cavs Receive: Kidd, Dampier, Harrington

Z/Dampier
Harrington/Wallace/vet min
LeBron/Harrington/Pavlovic
Pavlovic/Brown/West
Kidd/West

The Cavs get a pass-first PG to take LeBron's game to an even higher level.

Mavs Receive: Varejao, Wally, J.Smith, Snow, D.Jones, #19

Varejao/Speights
Smith/Bass
Howard/Wally
Ellis/Stackhouse/EJ
Westbrook/Barea/Snow

The Mavs cut their cap figure drastically while acquiring some nice young pieces. They fire Avery and hire a coach that can develop young players, not drive them crazy.

Post #2 » by **gswhoops** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:02 pm

Call me crazy, but I don't think I would give up Ellis for Dirk at this point.

N.O.R.E. · Post #3 » by **N.O.R.E.** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:07 pm

Biedrins and Dirk would be a pretty scary front-court and a nice mix of different talent. Having Diop and B.Wright off the bench is pretty scary also if B.Wright continues to improve. Terry provides veteran leadership and is a good locker room presence.
This move cements the Warriors place amongst the WC elite and would have the talent to cause serious damage in the playoffs.

Captain_Obvious · Post #4 » by **Captain_Obvious** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:21 pm

We wont trade the only two players who actually care for the Mavs at this point.

Besides, i love Montas game and upside, but i wouldnt build a team for or around him. And that would be the only way i give up on Dirk.

eitanr · Post #5 » by **eitanr** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:18 pm

Cp Obvious has it right. Monta has a lot of upside, but is not a player you build a franchise around. If the Mavs deal Dirk, they need to seek a similar deal as to the one Minnesota got for KG. One that surrounds a true potential star. Ellis is nice, but will he be an All Star or seen as someone that can be main guy who leads a team to the playoffs. Doesn't seem so.

zong · Post #6 » by **zong** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:26 pm

if the Mavs wanted to rebuild, they should go after Wright, not Ellis

ecuhus1981 · Post #7 » by **ecuhus1981** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:35 pm

gswhoops wrote:Call me crazy, but I don't think I would give up Ellis for Dirk at this point.

Your post will live long in the pantheon of homer statements on this board.

Post #8 » by **rsavaj** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:36 pm

ecuhus1981 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Your post will live long in the pantheon of homer statements on this board.

I'm not so sure. Obviously, Dirk is one of the best players in the league, but Monta is young and a rising star in his own right.

I'd do the trade for GS, but I can see why some GS fans wouldn't want to.

DLeagueAllStars · Post #9 » by **DLeagueAllStars** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:44 pm

I as a Warriors fan is pretty torn about this deal.. truth be told, i would probably do it.

I dont see Ellis as a PG down the road, so having him at SG can be replaceable even though his potential to get better is still going up. What makes this trade difficult to say yes to, is that age difference between Ellis and Dirk... While Dirk just turned 30, SJax 28, Baron 29, Terry 31, this would cut the window open that the Warriors have.

So in the next few seasons while having good seasons, but drafting in the 20's, the Warriors would eventually need to find a new PG, SG, SF and PF in each of the following seasons.. thats a pretty tough task, even if Wright becomes the PF, your still looking at PG, SG and SF

After writting this, I would pass, but its a close pass based on what the future could become

KyleCleric · Post #10 » by **KyleCleric** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:25 pm

ecuhus1981 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Your post will live long in the pantheon of homer statements on this board.

ecuhus, I wouldn't trade Ellis for Dirk either.

turk3d · Post #11 » by **turk3d** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:05 am

I don't think it makes sense to trade Ellis for Dirk either, but mainly because of the age difference (Ellis = just 22). But having said that, I and other Ws fans not wanting to make this move, I can easily see Don Nelson doing this (because of the relationship he and Dirk have with each other) so who do you think would win out, Nellie or the Ws fans?

What I don't see however, is Cuban wanting to do this as I don't think he's that down on Dirk (at least as much as he is on Avery and perhaps Howard now and maybe a few others).

JES12 · Post #12 » by **JES12** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:26 am

gswhoops wrote:Call me crazy, but I don't think I would give up Ellis for Dirk at this point.

Okay, you flat out crazy!

Dallas would not rebuild around a swing player.

And please, all the Harrington to the Mavs trades are killing me. My esophagus is chronically damaged after vomit I throw up after every trade I see him trying to be dumped on us.

JES12 · Post #13 » by **JES12** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:28 am

KyleCleric wrote:ecuhus, I wouldn't trade Ellis for Dirk either.

You crazy also. Dirk , and his fast healing is the reason why the Warriors missed the playoffs instead of Dallas missing it.

old rem · Post #14 » by **old rem** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:17 am

N.O.R.E. wrote:Trade 1:

Warriors Trade: Ellis (S&T), Al Harrington, Rights to Westbrook, minor filler

Receive: Dirk, Terry

Biedrins/Diop?
Dirk/B.Wright
Barnes/Azubuike/Jackson
Jackson/Terry/Bellinelli
Davis/Terry

The Warriors go the winning route instead of enduring another long-term re-build.

Mavs Receive: Ellis (S&T), Al Harrington, Jordan, minor filler

Trade 2:

Cavs Receive: Kidd, Dampier, Harrington

Z/Dampier
Harrington/Wallace/vet min
LeBron/Harrington/Pavlovic
Pavlovic/Brown/West
Kidd/West

The Cavs get a pass-first PG to take LeBron's game to an even higher level.

Mavs Receive: Varejao, Wally, J.Smith, Snow, D.Jones, #19

Varejao/Speights
Smith/Bass
Howard/Wally
Ellis/Stackhouse/EJ
Westbrook/Barea/Snow

The Mavs cut their cap figure drastically while acquiring some nice young pieces. They fire Avery and hire a coach that can develop young players, not drive them crazy.

I could see GSW having more interest if it's someone other than Terry-who's getting to be more $ than I'd want to pay. I think Jax would still start at SF,Azubuike + Terry would share SG. I doubt Nellie is willing to buy Diop unless he comes cheap. O'Bryant had a lot more upside and got ignored.

The Dallas- Clev part baffles me.....Clev gets 3 solid starters and Varrejo is the only thing of much worth coming back? You don't want to "blow it up" if you are in the West. It took near 60% wins to make the playoffs and there's 4 young teams on the rise who will tend to get better every year.

DanTown8587 · Post #15 » by **DanTown8587** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:13 am

On GS, with no changes, I would PROBABLY take Dirk over Ellis but Golden State really seems to be the only team that makes this an argument. Ellis is very solid, but you just cannot compare the reigning MVP to a guy who can score. 30 NBA GM would take Dirk, and I would tend to agree with them. Dirk can still play and is easier to build a team around than Ellis.

DLeagueAllStars · Post #16 » by **DLeagueAllStars** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:04 pm

The difference here though is, how many teams build around 30 year old players???

I am not saying that Ellis is better than Dirk, or that Ellis is a better player to build around Dirk(which I dont personally), but when you factor in age, that is where this deal becomes a no for the Warriors...

The Warriors were so bad for so long, the organization is looking to build a team than can sustain for the future, not one that can come in, get a team to win and then when they all retire together, be left with nothing...

So while yes the Warriors would probably be a better team for the next 4 seasons, past that is where the Warriors would be in trouble.. and with the changing of the guard in the West in the next few seasons, the Warriors want to be one of those teams on the rise and not decline (Dallas, Phoenix, San Antonio).. Those teams will be quite different in 2-4 years when their players slow down, retire or just flat out arent at the same while level, while the Young Warriors continue to age and grow as a team( still the 4th youngest team in the league)

Post #17 » by **gswhoops** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:15 pm

mc5097 wrote:The difference here though is, how many teams build around 30 year old players???

I am not saying that Ellis is better than Dirk, or that Ellis is a better player to build around Dirk(which I dont personally), but when you factor in age, that is where this deal becomes a no for the Warriors...

The Warriors were so bad for so long, the organization is looking to build a team than can sustain for the future, not one that can come in, get a team to win and then when they all retire together, be left with nothing...

So while yes the Warriors would probably be a better team for the next 4 seasons, past that is where the Warriors would be in trouble.. and with the changing of the guard in the West in the next few seasons, the Warriors want to be one of those teams on the rise and not decline (Dallas, Phoenix, San Antonio).. Those teams will be quite different in 2-4 years when their players slow down, retire or just flat out arent at the same while level, while the Young Warriors continue to age and grow as a team( still the 4th youngest team in the league)

Precisely.

The Warriors would be a better team in the immediate future after this trade, no doubt about that. But is that team really good enough to get past San Antonio, the Lakers, New Orleans, Boston or Detroit? I don't think so. So we make it to the 2nd round/WCF for a few years and then what? We have no guy to build around for the future and really no hope.

By keeping Monta, we can compete in 3-4 years when the old guard is starting to fade out.