Heat intersted in TJ Ford / Jose Calderon(Update Page 5)

HIF · Post #41 » by **HIF** » Mon May 5, 2008 4:10 pm

One knock on the head and TJ will never play again.

I think he's only 50:50 to last next season.

CRHeel94 · Post #42 » by **CRHeel94** » Mon May 5, 2008 4:18 pm

I liked TJ Ford but I would be concerned about his injury history and his size. We don't have a defensive stopper back there to clean up mistakes and with a Ford-Wade backcourt we would have to cover for two guys.

The outside shooting thing concerns me less. Ford is a guy who can penetrate and create for others. In the Shaq-less future of this team, that is a facet our offense can now use.

Post #43 » by **heat4life** » Mon May 5, 2008 4:33 pm

Even if we don't get Beasley or Rose, the next two players I would consider drafting play in the backcourt (Bayless and Mayo). I am not sure I would trade away the farm for Ford if we don't need him.

SmushedPennies · Post #44 » by **SmushedPennies** » Mon May 5, 2008 6:38 pm

MartyConlonJr wrote: I would love to see the defense collapse on a Wade drive and Wade kick out to Derrick Rose who's man will be out of position, giving that extra space to start his drive. Plus I don't think he's some huge liability on his jumpshot, his shot improved as his overall play did as the season went on, he shot over 40% from 3 in March-April (13/32) in far more important games. He also had games of 5 and 4 threes made and gave reason to suspect he will improve in that aspect.

Exactly. Many people seem to think that if Wade drives and kicks it out, the only way to effectively end the play is by hitting an open three. Wade/Rose's drives will knock the defense off its track, sometimes allowing the other a lane to drive and finish. I still think we need a shooter, but I could see us being like an NBA version of Rose's Tigers, if we draft him.

Flash4thewin · Post #45 » by **Flash4thewin** » Mon May 5, 2008 6:49 pm

Isnt that how golden state plays since they lack a post player?

Post #46 » by **heat4life** » Mon May 5, 2008 7:41 pm

Flash4thewin wrote:Isnt that how golden state plays since they lack a post player?

No, Golden State relies on ball movement and forcing the tempo to get shots early on the shot clock hence why the lead the league in scoring. Typical Nellie Ball.

Memphis plays what they call the Walberg Offense (because of former coach Vance Walburg) or the "Princeton on Steroids" offense where all perimeter players attack the basket with drives and kicks until the defense breaks and they get the open shot. Very similar to the Princeton offense which sort of has the same principles but instead demands for other players to cut to the basket as well.

IMO this would be the ideal system for a team with Rose and Wade as the core.

Flash4thewin · Post #47 » by **Flash4thewin** » Mon May 5, 2008 8:03 pm

I got the teams confused. The Net use that system. So basically we would try to replicate the Nets with our big three of Wade/Rose/Marion?

Heatmagic84 · Post #48 » by **Heatmagic84** » Mon May 5, 2008 9:04 pm

ya a small guard that can't shoot or play defense is exactly what we need

on top of that people are willing to give up haslem for him.. :roll:

how these threads get so many replies i'll never understand

Post #49 » by **GameTime_3** » Mon May 5, 2008 10:31 pm

I guess miami will take w/e Toranto does not want lol..

The Miami Herald -
If the Heat aren't able to select a suitable point guard in this June's NBA Draft, they could try to acquire the services of Toronto's Jose Calderon, according to the Miami Herald.

T-Spot · Post #50 » by **T-Spot** » Mon May 5, 2008 10:37 pm

Heatmagic84 wrote:ya a small guard that can't shoot or play defense is exactly what we need

on top of that people are willing to give up haslem for him..

how these threads get so many replies i'll never understand

Because he has more talent and potential than Haslem?

Post #51 » by **Lane1974** » Mon May 5, 2008 10:37 pm

barry Jackson is as reliable as WaTcHOuT

MartyConlonJr · Post #52 » by **MartyConlonJr** » Mon May 5, 2008 10:38 pm

I don't want Ford, and while I'd like Calderon, I wouldn't like to trade what we'd need to trade to get him.

BehindTheBushes · Post #53 » by **BehindTheBushes** » Mon May 5, 2008 10:40 pm

Tj ford actually isnt that bad of a shooter lolol.... people are really bashing his shooting... he is worth a bit more than haslem too... haslem seems to be getting overrated here... and to want a 17 pick and rasho? for just adding blount? Cmon... rashos an expiring contract we can get alot more for him the n ****.ty ass blount i wont even talk about adding the 17th pick thats just dumb.

Rodrizzle · Post #54 » by **Rodrizzle** » Mon May 5, 2008 10:46 pm

Id love to get Calderon here. He would be a great fit next to Wade. Dont see how it could happy though

Rallyks · Post #55 » by **Rallyks** » Mon May 5, 2008 10:47 pm

If I'm not mistaken, Calderon is a RFA.. and I recall Colangelo saying he is going to match ANY offer anyone throws at Jose.

MartyConlonJr · Post #56 » by **MartyConlonJr** » Mon May 5, 2008 10:57 pm

Calderon

1) Won't take the MLE
2) Will take a salary that makes him BYC and very hard to work a trade
3) Has more value to Toronto than his worth
4) Is probably only near in trade value to a package including Haslem, who plays the same position as their franchise player
5) We can't offer additional draft picks until 2011 (or later if we suck next year) due to the Minny trade.

It just won't happen.

David_edlp · Post #57 » by **David_edlp** » Mon May 5, 2008 11:05 pm

give my your 1 round pick for any of our PG.. or dead

wAtChOut218 · Post #58 » by **wAtChOut218** » Tue May 6, 2008 12:33 am

went to dinner with erik spolestra the other night he told me hes fascinated by the toronto offense & told riley to get 1 of there pgs.. do not be suprised if we sign one befores the july 1

WD · Post #59 » by WD » Tue May 6, 2008 12:37 am

Eric deserves the opportunity to coach a "fresh PG", we need to stay away from FA's, seriously. Haven't we learned anything from bidding on other teams FA's, they get rich, we get desperate.

Let's just wait until May 20 to see what pick we have and draft the best player or the best PG available at the position we get. Develop that player into what you need/wan him to be.

Quick fixes is are not the way to go this time, that's too much pressure to put on Eric, he deserves a developmental year.

Post #60 » by **Schad** » Tue May 6, 2008 12:39 am

MartyConlonJr wrote:Calderon

1) Won't take the MLE
2) Will take a salary that makes him BYC and very hard to work a trade
3) Has more value to Toronto than his worth
4) Is probably only near in trade value to a package including Haslem, who plays the same position as their franchise player
5) We can't offer additional draft picks until 2011 (or later if we suck next year) due to the Minny trade.

It just won't happen.

The scuttlebutt around Toronto is that the Raptors braintrust is looking at a deal starting in the $8.5m range...with, of course, some wiggle room if another team offers more in terms of an offer sheet.

Calderon would be a fantastic backcourt partner with Wade, but you're correct; the teams just don't have the pieces to put together a trade that would be reasonable for both sides, unless the Heat are extremely unlucky in the draft...and equally uninterested in the prospects available at #4 (with Toronto adding some value). Again, the odds are quite slim.