Round 2 Game 4 : Celtics @ Cavs - Monday, May 12th (2-1)

rushless · Post #501 » by **rushless** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:18 am

scottyno2 wrote:Doc just said he doesn't care about Casell's shots, but thought he played bad defense, nice to know he doesnt mind the guy throwing up bad shot after bad shot that dont go in

Exactly what I predicted, Doc blames on defense after every loss in this playoff. HOW ABOUT WE PLAY SOME FREAKING OFFENSE!

MaxwellSmart · Post #502 » by **MaxwellSmart** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:18 am

a one legged, blind (Please Use More Appropriate Word) 9 year old would've kept feeding Ray Allen after he hit those two 3's.....but not Doc.

faria443 · Post #503 » by **faria443** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:18 am

Eddie House is not a good solution. If you remember in the Atlanta series and even some of the Cleveland series, when he's in the game he makes bonehead plays and takes bad shots. Rondo is the point guard, he's done it the whole season. West/Gibson let Rondo float around, he just needs to hit his jumpshots, and he made a few tonight. Once West/Gibson is honest with Rondo, it creates a lot of opportunities for players like Pierce to get to the rim. However, in the Paul Pierce mindset, driving to the lane is only suitable when down by 8 with a minute left, and shooting 3's are suitable when down by 3 with 3 minutes left and 20 seconds on the shot clock.

One thing I can take from this game, though, is the realization that PJ Brown needs more of a role. He boards, plays tough D and has more offensive talent than Perkins.

rambo_ortega · Post #504 » by **rambo_ortega** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:18 am

we look tired... that's it.

and KG got no call on that push by varejao, he shot the ball coz he thought the whistle was going to blown for a continuation.

kg has been consistent, he hasn't been set up by doc down low but he gets his points and rebounds which is what he has been doing even with a great big man rotation defending against him, z,ben,smith and varejao giving him different looks is not easy. so it's P2 and ray who needs to step up. lebron is the only good defender on the cavs backcourt so why can't these superstars play their game.

what's wrong?

TommyPoints · Post #505 » by **TommyPoints** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:18 am

I'm sure I'm overreacting a bit, but if we lose game 5 we are in big trouble. All I wanted was 1 of these road games and I would have been happy.

kperk43 · Post #506 » by **kperk43** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:19 am

The problem with posey starting is that Doc would sit him most of the fourth quater.

pballa · Post #507 » by **pballa** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:21 am

CelticGamecock wrote:I'm sure I'm overreacting a bit, but if we lose game 5 we are in big trouble. All I wanted was 1 of these road games and I would have been happy.

i dont think you are overreacting

faria443 · Post #508 » by **faria443** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:21 am

On a side note, a lot of credit to Varejao who played a hell of a defensive game. His presence was always felt

pballa · Post #509 » by **pballa** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:21 am

rushless wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

The thing is every other team at least has won one road game, except the so call best team in the league.

yeah i know :oops:

rushless · Post #510 » by **rushless** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:21 am

pballa wrote:i think sometimes we're getting carried away guys.

i mean, 15-1 home team is in second round, i know i know, we shouldnt be looking at other teams and that we're the best record wise and should be winning on the road.

The thing is every other team at least has won one road game, except the so call best team in the league.

TommyPoints · Post #511 » by **TommyPoints** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:25 am

I have always supported Doc, but he is officially on the hot seat now as far as I'm concerned. His subs made absolutely no sense tonight. It certainly isn't all his fault, but it is his job to put them in a position to win and I dont feel that he did.

TheMartian · Post #512 » by **TheMartian** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:27 am

mr_sunshine wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Uhhh, what's he doing? He's shutting down LeBron 1-on-1. That's what he's doing. LeBron isn't getting **** when Paul is on him, so stop complaining about him. Ray is having trouble chasing Wally around, and KG is guarding Wallace, Smith, or Varejao. Those two SHOULD be scoring since the guys they're guarding have no offensive arsenal other than, "stand here and pray this J goes in."

That's not an excuse. Lebron is guarding Pierce too, and he's doing a better job offensively scoring 21 points and dishing out 13 assists. Pierce has totally been a non-factor on offense. If anything, it's Lebron who's shut him down and not the other way around.

Al n' Perk No Layups! · Post #513 » by **Al n' Perk No Layups!** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:28 am

MaxwellSmart wrote:a one legged, blind (Please Use More Appropriate Word) 9 year old would've kept feeding Ray Allen after he hit those two 3's.....but not Doc.

Doc coached terribly tonight but Ray wasn't hot. He made a couple of shots but bricked one or two inbetween the makes and then went right back to sucking. Ray needs to go.

BeanTownBrawler · Post #514 » by **BeanTownBrawler** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:33 am

Has anyone considered the idea that Wally and Delonte might have been better for this team than Cassell and Allen? Guess we'd never know anyway but an interesting thought

PPAW4Life · Post #515 » by **PPAW4Life** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:34 am

The problem this game really was the 4th quarter.

You can't start the 4th with PJ Brown as one of two scoring threats.

I know most of the year the C's outscore their opponents by a lot in the 3rd so most of the time the Big 3 are resting in the 4th but in the playoffs your best players NEED to play most of the 4th quarter if not all of it.

Davis out there really made no sense.....you can't bring a player that cold off the bench and play him important minutes in the 4th quarter, on the road, in a a close game.

Rocky5000 · Post #516 » by **Rocky5000** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:40 am

You guys must have been watching another game. Posey was ineffective tonight, he had an on-court/off-court of -18. I wouldn't bench Ray for him just yet.

PJ Brown was was 4-4 from the field with 6 rebounds and 2 blocks in 23 minutes, our starting center, didn't make a shot in 19 minutes, and had 3 rebounds and 1 steal. Going with PJ was probably the one good move Doc made all game.

dinoz · Post #517 » by **dinoz** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:48 am

Rocky5000 wrote:You guys must have been watching another game. Posey was ineffective tonight, he had an on-court/off-court of -18. I wouldn't bench Ray for him just yet.

PJ Brown was was 4-4 from the field with 6 rebounds and 2 blocks in 23 minutes, our starting center, didn't make a shot in 19 minutes, and had 3 rebounds and 1 steal. Going with PJ was probably the one good move Doc made all game.

You are right. I was wrong about PJ. He can make shots on occasion and was desperately needed tonight. I expect PJ to get more playing time as the series moves along. I do hope Cassell gets cut to 8 minutes per night, though.

cavsfan_osiris · Post #518 » by **cavsfan_osiris** » Tue May 13, 2008 4:04 am

Posey wasn't great tonight, but to use his +/- in this one game doesn't paint a complete picture. People completely misuse and abuse that single game +/- statistic.

Posey needs to play more minutes so PP doesn't have to expend so much energy on LeBron. It'd be much better to have PP on Zerby or someone else and have him focus more on offense while letting Posey do Pierce's dirty work because obviously Boston needs it.

I'm not saying Pierce should start, but he should be cutting deeper into Ray's minutes. At some point a player has to be held accountable. Ray's really struggled offensively and defensively on the road. The two players in my opinion who now have to be held to some standard of accountability are Ray and Sam.

PPAW4Life · Post #519 » by **PPAW4Life** » Tue May 13, 2008 4:11 am

Cassell really isn't used to playing sporadic minutes or off the bench.

Eddie House was our guy all year for that.

It seems that Cassell feels he needs to get up as many shots as he can because he knows he will be back on the bench pretty soon....I don't know....he's just missing a lot of wide open looks that are HIS shots.

Same with Ray Allen and Pierce....they are just missing too many wide open shots.

O.Z.123 · Post #520 » by **O.Z.123** » Tue May 13, 2008 4:14 am

PPAW4Life wrote:The problem this game really was the 4th quarter.

nah, the problem began in the 1st quarter when garnett dropped 9 points and 2 fouls (on the opposing team) in the post off of only 4 shots.. and ur team -specfically ur guards- essentially went AWAY from him for the rest of the game.

only time he got shots off after that was during high pick and rolls with the shot clock winding down or out of the blue late in the 4th with everyone anxious. the tnt guys talk about how the big offensive scorer needs to be ray allen but thats bull****, its obvious the one guy on ur team that's capable of getting "easy shots" everytime is garnett.

if he posts up, faces up and looks to go to the rim, NOBODY on the cavs can guard him. its like ur team forgot that he won y'all game 1 in the closing seconds when ur team gave him the ball down low, got the heck out of his way and made the cavs decide: 1on1 coverage or double team. he faced up, they chose 1on1 and he scored easily at the rim.

that should be ur team's offense everytime, not all those stupid gimmicky picks and screens that just lead to long jumpshots from struggling jump shooters and no rebounding position for the bigs because their too busy setting the picks and screens.