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Post#21 » by cfan79 » Wed May 14, 2008 9:27 am

The Big Dog wrote:I was going to post a thread about this very thing. Wally should not be scoring this well anymore, he doesn't do it to anyone else, it's a flaw in Ray.

Posey's been a better 3 pt shooter than Ray anyway, and it'll give Pierce a reprieve from guarding LeBron so he'll have more energy on offense which is just what he needs.

Even if it hurts Ray's ego, maybe it'll give him a chip on his shoulder. Who knows? He can't do play any worse.


Thank you Big Dog, you've got a few valid points I haven't touched on there. People are talking like Posey hasn't started before. The guy has started most of his career. Plus unlike Ray he also has championship experience.
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Post#22 » by The Big Dog » Wed May 14, 2008 9:33 am

billfromBoston wrote:1. Wally is shooting 40 percent for the series and averaging less than 13 points-he's a career 17ppg guy on 48 percent shooting-get over it with the Allen's defense thing-Wally was one of the top 6th men in the league up until he left Seattle, averaging 13ppg in 26 mpg...he's playing below his ability efficiency-wise, but producing up to his ability...


No, he's averaging 14ppg, and he's well past his prime, so that 17ppg isn't what's relevant. He was averaging 8.2 ppg for the season in Cleveland and 10.8 ppg in the Washington series. And he's shooting a lot of 3s so the 41% is deceiving. In this low scoring series Wally has been relatively efficient. Put Pierce on him and body him up a little bit.

2. The Cavs are scoring below 90 ppg on less than 43 percent shooting...they're not going bananas....LeBron has been contained and Wally/West and the rest of the backcourt rotation has been minimal...the only super efficient players have been the frontcourt role players-and only over the last two games...


Every point counts in this low-scoring series. And the worst part is Ray is not even exposing Wally's defensive flaws of his own. At least Posey is hitting shots, 50% of his shots actually.

3. YOU FIND ME ONE TEAM THAT HAS CHANGED ITS STARTING LINEUP IN THE PLAYOFFS AND WON THE TITLE...do that and i'll entertain the idea that switching a HoF player for a role player is a good idea because one plays better defense than the other...It doesn't happen...you stick with what worked for 66 wins and you make your strategy adjustments with the rotation that got you there...you don't make desperate moves, they disrupt chemistry and hurt you in the long run-look at Dallas last year for proof of that.


The Lakers switched Samaki Walker for Horry in 2002 Championship run. The Spurs just inserted Ginobli into the starting lineup. Those are moves by the two best coaches in the league. Adjustments are what coaches of great teams make to win championships.

Pierce and Posey are both doing admirable jobs defensively on LeBron. Pierce is wearing himself out though. Let Posey guard LeBron, and that will allow Pierce to focus on the offensive end. He'll have the energy to drive to the basket, rather than settle for jumpers.

Ray Allen is shooting 33% overall, 20% from 3, can a change really hurt him? Ray coming in against the second string or a winded first string could get him some easy shots, and he could actually get himself into a rhythm.
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Post#23 » by The Big Dog » Wed May 14, 2008 9:48 am

cfan79 wrote:Thank you Big Dog, you've got a few valid points I haven't touched on there. People are talking like Posey hasn't started before. The guy has started most of his career. Plus unlike Ray he also has championship experience.


Posey is a dangerous man in the playoffs. He's smart, focused, a very good defender, and he makes big shots.
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Post#24 » by billfromBoston » Wed May 14, 2008 10:16 pm

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The Lakers switched Samaki Walker for Horry in 2002 Championship run. The Spurs just inserted Ginobli into the starting lineup. Those are moves by the two best coaches in the league. Adjustments are what coaches of great teams make to win championships.

--->You're seriously going to use Samaki Walker/Horry and Finley/Ginobili as your examples? Lakers: role player for role player, Spurs: Desperate move from a team struggling...I said teams that won titles...looks like SA is a bit thin to do that this year...

Pierce and Posey are both doing admirable jobs defensively on LeBron. Pierce is wearing himself out though. Let Posey guard LeBron, and that will allow Pierce to focus on the offensive end. He'll have the energy to drive to the basket, rather than settle for jumpers.

---->that's complete conjectured opinion...there is no proof that this is the cause of Pierce's offensive struggles...without validation it is a guess...

Ray Allen is shooting 33% overall, 20% from 3, can a change really hurt him? Ray coming in against the second string or a winded first string could get him some easy shots, and he could actually get himself into a rhythm.


---> Sorry, but i'm sticking with the HoFer over the role player...Ray's done it his whole career...Posey is getting plenty of run, we need Ray to perform, not bench him from a limited alternative...

...and in regards to Wally....again, you use conjecture when stating he's "well past his prime"...he's been injured quite often over the past 2 seasons, but you can't use his numbers in Cleveland as a representation of how he's played all season...he was excellent in Seattle before the trade and has been getting progressively more acclimated to Cleveland...Wally has been contributing solidly in this series, but he's not doing much more than hitting a few shots when they present themselves...certainly not giving Ray Allen fits on defense....13-14ppg on low shooting efficiency is not game changing stuff...who cares if he's shooting a lot of 3's...he's still making only 40 percent of his shots...that sux...

You don't bench HoFers...role players minutes are interchangable, but you're top guys need to play through their down turns and find it...Ray started playing well in game 4, I expect more of that in game 5...
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Post#25 » by grantlongforpresident » Wed May 14, 2008 10:33 pm

I agree with Bill. It would be really stupid to "mix things up" in game 5.

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