How Come Our Players Don't Like Passing To Ray?

s1ickd · Post #1 » by **s1ickd** » Fri May 16, 2008 2:36 am

the only time Ray Allen gets the ball is when they run that curl play off the pick for him. that's it.

iv seen occasions where KG is doubled and wont kick out to him. Rondo will go to the basket, ray's defender will help, and rondo won't kick out. Pierce would rather drive on Lebron than have Ray drive on Wally.

I dont get it. You can't blame him for being out of synch.

CroCop · Post #2 » by **CroCop** » Fri May 16, 2008 2:44 am

no kidding. the guy's a pure shooter, give him a good amount of shots to warm-up. if he heats up, the defense will be in huge trouble. they wont be able to collapse as much with him floating around the arc with a hot hand

MaxwellSmart · Post #3 » by **MaxwellSmart** » Fri May 16, 2008 3:26 am

his talent has been wasted all year---Doc would rather use him as a Defender/Bail out 3 point shooter,than use him the he was born to be used.....Imagine Ray Allen actually getting plays called/run for him.

celticfan42487 · Post #4 » by **celticfan42487** » Fri May 16, 2008 4:15 am

I think it has something to do with him being a poor dribbler, and a below average passer for a guard. So when they pass it to Ray he's either going to miss or make a shot... and he generally misses so far.

rambo_ortega · Post #5 » by **rambo_ortega** » Fri May 16, 2008 4:54 am

we have to set up plays for him with the 2nd unit.

s1ickd · Post #6 » by **s1ickd** » Fri May 16, 2008 5:03 am

i've seen ray allen in the past, and have never thought of him as a poor dribbler. ball handling has a lot to do with sharpness and confidence.... neither of which are things that ray has right now.

his shooting is also confidence related. i think he's feeling underappreciated and under-utilized. you cant use someone that scored 26ppg last year as a "bruce bowen" that simply waits on the arc for an open jumper.

Al n' Perk No Layups! · Post #7 » by **Al n' Perk No Layups!** » Fri May 16, 2008 5:22 am

Our players don't like passing to Ray because he can't get it done.

s1ickd · Post #8 » by **s1ickd** » Fri May 16, 2008 5:36 am

Al n' Perk No Layups! wrote:Our players don't like passing to Ray because he can't get it done.

it's actually a proven fact that over this season, when ray's gotten more touches and shot attempts, he's had more efficient, and more "all star like" games.

and if you havent noticed... when ray is involved in the offense, we are MUCH more difficult to beat .

GuyClinch · Post #9 » by **GuyClinch** » Fri May 16, 2008 6:39 am

This whole thread is nonsense - they DO pass to ray. Please watch the game with your eyes open next time.

Pete

ermocrate · Post #10 » by **ermocrate** » Fri May 16, 2008 8:38 am

celticfan42487 wrote:I think it has something to do with him being a poor dribbler, and a below average passer for a guard. So when they pass it to Ray he's either going to miss or make a shot... and he generally misses so far.

I don't know why you talk about Basketball, you haven't a clue of what the game is...

Back to the topic, I don't think they don't pass to allen for a reason, simply they don't have a great court vision...

Al-Haqq · Post #11 » by **Al-Haqq** » Fri May 16, 2008 8:51 am

GuyClinch wrote:This whole thread is nonsense - they DO pass to ray. Please watch the game with your eyes open next time.

Pete

Red2 · Post #12 » by **Red2** » Fri May 16, 2008 12:34 pm

I noticed throughout the season that Pierce often failed to pass to ray and I've seen it again in these playoffs. it could be that with ray struggling Pierce doesn't feel he's a good option. it could be that ray is being guarded tightly ( which he is). It could also be that Doc has done a piss poor job of designing plays for Ray and it could be that Ray has lost a step as well as some elevation and that it's harder for him to get open. I think all of those things are true. Ray is still a very valuable player but next year, assuming he's here. he should be the 6th man a la manu ginobli. he should be the focus of the second unit. One thing Ray has done well despite his poor shooting, tunrovers etc is that he has passed the ball pretty well. I was encouraged in the last game to see him go to the hole. I was ( and have been all season) discouraged by his inability to finish around the basket. At times I think Ray is so caught up in looking cool, calm and composed that he plays soft. He isa finesse guy but I think he needs a little nasty in his game. Given his OCD the guy needs everything to line up the right way for him in terms of routine etc. The playoffs take you out of your routine. games are at odd times, there is more travel involved etc. I think there are a lot of factors hurting Ray's play right now. He is clearly pressing and it's forcing him to miss shots he should make. I'm not sure I see him playing any better throughout these playoffs but as long as the other team is respecting his shooting then he's a good decoy for us.

bruno sundov · Post #13 » by **bruno sundov** » Fri May 16, 2008 7:26 pm

I say it's because ray does move enough on offense anymore. he stands stationary all the time. Move your ass and get open on your own.