The Retooling Thread: What do we do now

[DayofMourning]

Someone on the Bulls board suggested:

Hinrich + Nocioni + Gooden

for

Marion + Blount

Thoughts?

The only player I like a lot from the Bulls in that deal would be Hinrich. I believe Marion can fetch more in a trade. Also, his expiring contract could be huge for us. Much more than anything that deal would allow.

[kundanp333]

I know its been asked before, but the question can be answered in a different way due to attaining the 2nd overall pick.

What can be afforded to sign ricky with? the heat organization know he cant be signed for much... and i think its about time ricky knows he s gotta play for cheap to win... maybe he realizes every team he joins ends up not doing well and he s ready to give a good run with wade and company.

What do you guys think? How much should we take him for?

[DayofMourning]

Not interested in Ricky. I don't like his game at all. He's a free bird for all I care.

[CRHeel94]

I'm pretty happy with the second pick. Either Beasley or Rose will be a great addition. Who we take, though, has a cascade effect on the roster. At the end of the day by summer 09 we have to have a clear Top 3 that includes at least one perimeter guy, one legit big man and a third AllStar type. Then you surround that top 3 with a solid supporting cast which could include some guys currently on the roster.

If the pick is Rose, Marion is gone either through trade or FA walk. Then we target someone like Brand or Boozer as our low post guy. Then you try to move guys like haslem, Blount, Wright or Banks as well as using the exceptions to fill the gaps at the 3 and 5 and strengthen the bench where outside shooting becomes a priority.

If Beasley is the top pick, I think there's a decent chance of extending Marion to a reasonable deal and you end up with a Wade-Marion-Beasley trio. You can then move Haslem for some backcourt help, and again fill in the gaps with the spare parts.

[DayofMourning]

Or....

We draft Beasley, trade Marion to Toronto for Calderon/draft pick/expiring contract (?), stink like heck next year-draft Thabeet, and then go into '10 with max player cap space and sign LeBron.

C: Thabeet
F: Beasley
F: James
G: Wade
G: Calderon

Not bad eh?

[Wade2k6]

Someone on the Bulls board suggested:

Hinrich + Nocioni + Gooden

for

Marion + Blount

Thoughts?

Um, i'd be willing to do that...

PG: Hinrich, Banks
SG: Wade, Wright
SF: Nocioni, Beasley
PF: Beasley, Gooden/Haslem
C: Diop, Gooden, Dorsey

Trade one of Gooden or Haslem to pick up a legit starting C and move Diop to the bench. Use the 2nd round pick on Dorsey

[DBurks2818]

Forgot about Cook in that lineup. And Dorsey probably won't be there at 52, but other than that it looks like a good team.

[LEIF]

I doubt we deal Marion, we would rather let him expire (as soon as this year if he were to opt out, but definatley in summer 09) or extend him to a reasonable long term deal.

if we could get Marion for 5 years $50 million I would extend him.

[Flash4thewin]

My question is how efficient would marion be at sf since hes mainly played pf for the past few seasons. The speed advantage he has against pf would be lost at sf and his rebound numbers would go down but his def should go up.

[HeatSince88]

The inherent problem with Marion/Beasley at SF/PF is neither is equipped to defend the bigger post players you need to get thru in the playoffs. Garnett's length would eat them alive, as would Sheed's, Duncan's, etc.

- With Marion/Beasley at SF/PF, I'd almost rather see a Jeff Foster or a Ronny Turiaf at center than someone like Diop, so they can be the guy who defends the other team's toughest post player regardless of position (like PJ Brown and Brian Grant have done for us in the past). I know the reponse .. what about Haslem? Well sorry, but a 6'8" center with short arms won't cut it in the NBA. We need more size up front.

- Beasley would then defend the weakest of the other team's frontcourt players ... Like if Jeff Foster defends Duncan, Beasley takes Oberto or Horry or whatever. Or if Foster takes Ilgauska, Beasley takes Ben Wallace.

- Marion takes the toughest perimeter assigment, unless it's a quick PG, in which case the PG we trade Haslem for should be a tough defender. But Marion is in effect the perimeter stopper, the Bruce Bowen type. So he takes Lebron or Pierce or Kobe or Ginobli so wade doesn't have to worry his pretty little head ...

So defensively, I think we can be pretty darn good with a versatile defender at C and a solid one at PG too.

[DanDanE420]

The inherent problem with Marion/Beasley at SF/PF is neither is equipped to defend the bigger post players you need to get thru in the playoffs. Garnett's length would eat them alive, as would Sheed's, Duncan's, etc.

Didn't Haslem hold 'Sheed to about 10 ppg and 40% shooting in the '06 Playoffs? Guys like Garnett will get theirs, but the trio of forwards can frustrate them.

The only guys that would give Haslem/Beasley/Marion serious problems defensively are true centers, but those guys would be covered by a defensive-minded five (Zo, Diop, Foster, whoever.)

[CaliHeat]

What you guys think of this trade, it works moeny wise.

Mia Trades: Haslem
Mia Gets: Jarrett Jack and Joel Przybilla

Por Trades: Jarrett Jack and Joel Przybilla
Por Gets: Hedo Turkolu

Orl Trades: Hedo Turkolu
Orl Gets: Udonis Haslem

Im very reluctant to trade Haslem to the Magic but the Magic probably covet Haslem the most due to the Van Gundy relationship and the fact that Haslem is the perfect PF to put next to D.Howard.

My other worry about this trade is with Joel Pryzbilla's contract and if that extra year will hurt our cap space. IF NOT, I think this guy is the perfect C to play along side Beasley. He can defend the dominant post scorer and provide the Heat with the same type of energy that Haslem brought to the game. Only thing he doesn't have is a great offensive game but when you got Beasley, you really dont need one.

Pryzbilla is 28 now but will be 29 before the season. He has 3 years left on his contract. So we would have him when he is 29-32 years old.

Also, we HAVE TO find a trading partner for Mark Blount and I dont see one, Riley will have to work his magic.

[GameTime_3]

How about this for a retooling plan.

Miami Trades- Haslem-Blount-2#(Beasley)
Bucks trade- Mo-Bogut-Charlie V-2009 1st(protected)

Miami Signs Ronny Turouf (MLE)

Bogut
Turiof-Charlie V
Marion-Dorrel
Wade-Cook
Mo-Banks

Move Marion for Legit SF.

That team would be young and great.

[Lane1974]

what makes you think getting 60% of the Bucks who have sucked so hard for so long makes us special?

[Lane1974]

Insomnia has its priveledges: had a crazy idea, predicated on the Bulls taking Beasley (which Ira says is what's going to happen according to his source)

We then trade Rose to Dallas for Kidd and we unload Blount, Banks, and our salary cloggers to make it happen. Mavs have their counter to Paul, Williams and whoever. Riley can sell a trio of Kidd, matrix and Wade to the fanbase. The best part is we have 40 million in expiring money from Kidd and Marion alone after 2009. Grab Brand and the best free agent PG in free agency that year. Addendum: if they are really disenchanted with josh Howard, maybe we try and get him, throw Haslem back to them. We'd have a starting core of Kidd, Wade, Howard, Marion, and MLE center until be t year then Wade Howard Brand or Boozer and another max free agent.

[GameTime_3]

Sorry Lane get some sleep lol. No to kidd, He is everything but a kidd now. But Dumping Blount would b a nice dream.

How about Hedo-JJ redick-B.Cook for Haslem-Blount? We relase JJ so he can go shoot somewhere else. Let Marion expire or trade him for a C or PG.

[Lane1974]

its not about Kidd. Its about his cap space

[Cruel_Ruin]

Would you do a deal centered around Haslem/Banks/Blount for Artest/B.Miller if the Kings were to (somehow) acquire a draft pick that is 6-9?

[HeatInOhio]

Would you do a deal centered around Haslem/Banks/Blount for Artest/B.Miller if the Kings were to (somehow) acquire a draft pick that is 6-9?

PG Rose
SG Wade
SF Artest
PF Marion
C Miller

or...

PG ?
SG Wade
SF Artest/Marion
PF Beasley/Marion
C Miller

I think either way... I would do that.

EDIT... oh wait a minute, I just figured out that you want Beasley or Rose in that package... well then... ahh no. If Riley trades the pick unless its for an absolute stud then I'll scream.

[Iputsomepantson]

its not about Kidd. Its about his cap space

All having cap space does is give you overpaid talent at best. At worst it gets you NOTHING.

Just look at the Bulls the offseason that Eddie Jones signed with us.

Why unload two stars just to dump salary?

It just doesn't make sense.

Look at the silly monkey.