I think it's kinda strange and I think a good example would be tonight when the Spurs lost a 20 point game after having a game 7 two nights before and being stuck in the plane. I mean all of a sudden it just gets to you at the end.
To those who played basketball can you explain this? Do you just all of a sudden feel tired and can't drive and play defense or what?
does fatigue always affect games at the end?
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does fatigue always affect games at the end?
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When you are tired the first thing that goes is your mind and decision making skills. Watching the Spurs/Lakers game it looked like the Spurs just missed a lot of open shots in the 3rd and 4th quarter. Also in the 3rd Udoka was put on Kobe and Kobe was able to hit a few shots on him. Kobe is a rhythm shooter. You just knew after he hit a few shots on Udoka it wouldn't matter even if they put Bowen back in.
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GreenWithEnvy wrote:no. these are finely tuned and trained athletes and even if fatigue is a factor its not like one player gets tired and the rest are fine. everyone is just as tired.
Thats not true at all. Some players are built to handle more minutes, especially if they are younger. Everyone gets tired, but the effects aren't equal. LeBron can play 40+ minutes with less fatigue than say PJ Brown or even Manu Ginobili.
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GreenWithEnvy wrote:no. these are finely tuned and trained athletes and even if fatigue is a factor its not like one player gets tired and the rest are fine. everyone is just as tired.
i agree. i can't believe i agree with greenwithenvy.
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It depends on many things. NBA coaches make sure that everyone is rested and have their breaks which is different from high school and college when certain players are depended on. I know many of you out there remember coach running you into the ground and then doing a set of drills so you can be ready for when you are tired like gametime situations. But in the NBA and time management where you have to be efficient it is different. I think Spurs were fatigued and were in no way used to it and ready to play a-ball and collapsed.
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kinda odd question but of course fatigue will catch up to you esp. at end of games or playing back-to-back, etc.
That's why guys who have great cardio have a distinct advantage. I'm a VC fan but when he plays heavy minutes you can see he starts to float on offense. Alot of players are the same. That's why sometimes even if a gameplan is working & you keep feeding the horse he's gonna get tired. Guys like Kobe seem to have a 2nd heart & lung beating/pumping as they get past that fatigue wall.
Just look at your own experiences. Play a saturday game, legs are fresh, movements are sharp, chase people around screens, elevate on jumpshots....by the end of the day or if you play next day you're waving your hands like a turnstile & calling it defense. Same thing happens to NBA levels but at their high performance level.
Anyone watch MMA. BJ Penn was kicking Matt Hughes butt and controlling the game for the 1st 2 rounds one fight but you can tell he spent all his energy and in the 3rd round he could barely keep his hands up to defend his face or fight off attempts to put him to the ground & he got TKO'd. Once that wall hits you, unless you get that 2nd wind, you're going off instinct & willpower and against high caliber opponents that is the huge edge between winning & losing.
That's why minutes within' games & throughout a season is important.
That's why guys who have great cardio have a distinct advantage. I'm a VC fan but when he plays heavy minutes you can see he starts to float on offense. Alot of players are the same. That's why sometimes even if a gameplan is working & you keep feeding the horse he's gonna get tired. Guys like Kobe seem to have a 2nd heart & lung beating/pumping as they get past that fatigue wall.
Just look at your own experiences. Play a saturday game, legs are fresh, movements are sharp, chase people around screens, elevate on jumpshots....by the end of the day or if you play next day you're waving your hands like a turnstile & calling it defense. Same thing happens to NBA levels but at their high performance level.
Anyone watch MMA. BJ Penn was kicking Matt Hughes butt and controlling the game for the 1st 2 rounds one fight but you can tell he spent all his energy and in the 3rd round he could barely keep his hands up to defend his face or fight off attempts to put him to the ground & he got TKO'd. Once that wall hits you, unless you get that 2nd wind, you're going off instinct & willpower and against high caliber opponents that is the huge edge between winning & losing.
That's why minutes within' games & throughout a season is important.
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Of course fatigue is a factor.
Simple, you move you burn energy.
Spurs are older also, that doesnt help there case... and oh, fresh off a game 7, in which I am sure took a lot of energy out of them, not just from game 7 but from the whole series.
Fine athletes, yes... of course. But fine athletes are not robots who you simply replace batteries or power source. Again with there average age, some of the players would of been kinda "puffing a bit".
Kobe also exploded second half, when Bowen is a bit tired, and so was Iduka... It was a Phil Jackson coaching tactic...
Simple, you move you burn energy.
Spurs are older also, that doesnt help there case... and oh, fresh off a game 7, in which I am sure took a lot of energy out of them, not just from game 7 but from the whole series.
Fine athletes, yes... of course. But fine athletes are not robots who you simply replace batteries or power source. Again with there average age, some of the players would of been kinda "puffing a bit".
Kobe also exploded second half, when Bowen is a bit tired, and so was Iduka... It was a Phil Jackson coaching tactic...
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Lebron seems like he can play 48 minutes every game. People say that Lebron outplayed Kobe in the 4th quarter of their matchups, but what I saw was Lebron wore Kobe down. Kobe was tired and settled for long jumpshots; he got tired trying to defend Lebron. He can't do that.
Lebron is too big and too strong.....
Lebron is too big and too strong.....
I'm so tired of the typical......
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I think fatigue and injuries feel much worse when shots aren't dropping. You can run and play D all day when the offense is clicking.
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NO-KG-AI wrote:I think fatigue and injuries feel much worse when shots aren't dropping. You can run and play D all day when the offense is clicking.
I agree and I think you can see fatigue a lot more in the half court than in the open court. You can tell when players are tired when they start chucking long jumpers or don't get as much lift on their shots.