You thought it was over? Let the JO rumors rise again.

[Serpo]

Btw i first wrote cap but meant luxury tax and edited it.

[greenway84]

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Yeah right. Be prepared to lose at least one of VC, RJ, or Curly.

Honestly, I dont think us Pacer fans need Jefferson(granger) and for the most part dont want Carter(no disrespect) I also think your safe keeping devin harris due to us being high on augustin in the draft. However Kristic would probably have to be involved just to come close to salaries. We are talking this over in Pacerland. Maybe something consisting of:

JO, Diogu

FOR

Kristic S&T, Sean, KVH, Swift, and whoever Indiana wants you to pick.

It's hard to include Krstic and a pick in this deal as Krstic would have to be signed and traded, and that cannot be done until almost a month after the draft. Thus, we'd have to illegally negotiate with Krstic or NJ would have to pick the player we want, and then hope and pray that Krstic eventually one day agrees to a sign and trade to us, and not someone else, or else they're stuck with a draft pick they don't really want or need.
But to be honest I tend to think teams make deals "illegaly" more often than we know. Also I would have to think Kristic would be happy to come into a new atmosphere and a team thats building, and he could potentially be a starter, and florish. If this could get done I'd do it.

[Preludepunk27]

You also can't package players with Krstic if he's coming to you via a S&T. The only way you can land Krstic is if he accepts the qualifying offer and he is put in the trade (is there a waiting period after they accept the qualifying?) or if you guys completely overpay for him and do a sign-and-trade basically for the minimum amount needed to match the salaries which would not be in your favor.

I've said it a lot of times though, I don't see the Nets being a good trade partner with the Pacers in any way. Unless they want to play Granger at the 2 and slide Dunleavy to the 4, it makes no sense really.

Bottom line: If the Nets want JO, we need to bring a 3rd team into the deal who will take RJ basically and the Pacers can actually get some players that will fit their team in return.

[MrDollarBills]

A starting 5 of Boone, Mr. Glass, RJ, VC, and Devin would be solid, especially if O'Neal can play more than 50 games

O'Neal's health is why i sort of balk at trading RJ for him. I damn sure wouldn't include Sean in any deal for him. If O'Neal was able to play w/o breaking down, sure, because you just dont find 19 and 8 anywhere nowadays.

Screw this deal. I don't like the smell coming from Indiana.

[mack69]

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I just think there is NO WAY we can acquire JO without giving up RJ.

I agree you must include RJ. Do I want to? No. But you need a post presence. At this point Im willig to take the chance on JO.

I have said this many times it will take a third team to move RJ. The pacers have a SG and SF with Dunleavy and Granger.

For us the draft will be intriguing we should use those picks to build up the bench.

[Pugsley_2491]

I would rather trade RJ than give up some of the pieces mentioned like krstic and the #10
What about a 3 team deal between us Indy and Toronto
Something like
NJ sends RJ, Swift #21
NJ receives JO fillers

Toronto sends Bargs, #17 (then what?)
Toronto receives RJ (then what?)

Indy sends JO fillers
Indy receives swift, #21, #17, Bargs (then what?)

Idk I just thought of this but what are your thoughts?

[Serpo]

Giving up RJ leaves us with who playing SG/SF ( whoever position Vince isn't playing ) ? Ager ? LOL

[Rich Rane]

Giving up RJ leaves us with who playing SG/SF ( whoever position Vince isn't playing ) ? Ager ? LOL

A typical uncensored response from enetric would be: Who cares (Then again, who knows how he feels with Harris running the offense and not Kidd)? Anyway, with a trio of Harris, VC, and JO, we might actually have an asset in this being an attractive team in the East for free agents to look twice at this team when considering their options. Though JO is injury-prone. And not RJ injury-prone, but more of he's been nagged by past injuries so free agents will think harder about playing here.

But anyway, if Thorn pulls the trigger, I'd like to think Ratner would know what the direction of the team is and allow Thorn and Kiki to use the MLE and the LLE.

[Preludepunk27]

I would rather trade RJ than give up some of the pieces mentioned like krstic and the #10
What about a 3 team deal between us Indy and Toronto
Something like
NJ sends RJ, Swift #21
NJ receives JO fillers

Toronto sends Bargs, #17 (then what?)
Toronto receives RJ (then what?)

Indy sends JO fillers
Indy receives swift, #21, #17, Bargs (then what?)

Idk I just thought of this but what are your thoughts?

Do we honestly think 3 potential playoff teams in the east are gonna be cool with this? Granted I think the Pacers trading JO puts then in a flat out rebuilding mode around Granger/Dunleavy/young talent acquired, but I think we'll try to bring a team out west in. I can see Portland potentially being a landing spot for RJ actually. They want a vet leader to play next to their quality young guys. I think RJ's hardnosed work ethic will get these players going in the right direction.

[Serpo]

If we trade for J.O i want to either keep RJ or at least aquire i decent replacement in the same deal that sends RJ elsewhere. Trading for J.O only makes sense if it helps the team but leaving a big hole at the wing really isn't doing that.

[Rich Rane]

If we trade for J.O i want to either keep RJ or at least aquire i decent replacement in the same deal that sends RJ elsewhere. Trading for J.O only makes sense if it helps the team but leaving a big hole at the wing really isn't doing that.

Dude, I couldn't care less if we signed Robert Hite to start at the 2 out there. Our offense becomes more versatile and I'd sacrifice letting our defense slow down on the perimeter for upping our defense inside. We acquired a consistent and reliable big man (When healthy) for the first time since K-Mart and you want to worry about the wing? Like I've said, we might attain an asset with a core of Harris, VC, and JO that would attract people here. Guys like Mike Miller would love to be traded here. Guys like Pietrus would definitely consider taking our MLE rather than someone else's unless you're LA or Boston.

[Serpo]

I really don't know how atractive this team would be with J.O health situation in the past . I really don't

[Rich Rane]

I really don't know how atractive this team would be with J.O health situation in the past . I really don't

I don't either, but whenever you have two All-Stars (preferably a big and a guard) on the same team, it's bound to attract some people.

If anything, let the core play together for a year and try to make an impact. Let JO answer the doubters if he can stay healthy and play at a high level.

[Preludepunk27]

Honestly, if we traded for JO, RJ has to be involved. We move Vince to the 3 and we try to acquire a spot up shooter with Stro's contract if we still have him. All we'd need at that point is a guy to stand there and take open 3's when the double team comes on VC and JO. Just like whoever is playing in the front court with JO, basically be ready with a back door cut when the double comes or when Vince penetrates. Adding a guy that is an actual "threat" offensively on the blocks opens up your entire game to the point that losing RJ would not be the end of the world.

Only way we can keep RJ basically is if JO opts out and calls us and is like "Look I'm like 28 but just give me a 5-6 years at the MLE." That probably isn't gonna happen. What I honestly feel the Nets are trying to do is to remain competitive (i.e. 2nd round exit) and basically keeping our money in order then to keep the fans interested...then make the splash when we roll to Brooklyn. I'll go for JO, but I'm not financing our future like Boston did. They HAD to make that move, we don't because we're playing for now but focusing on the future (i.e. Brooklyn)

[Rich Rane]

Honestly, if we traded for JO, RJ has to be involved. We move Vince to the 3 and we try to acquire a spot up shooter with Stro's contract if we still have him. All we'd need at that point is a guy to stand there and take open 3's when the double team comes on VC and JO. Just like whoever is playing in the front court with JO, basically be ready with a back door cut when the double comes or when Vince penetrates. Adding a guy that is an actual "threat" offensively on the blocks opens up your entire game to the point that losing RJ would not be the end of the world.

Only way we can keep RJ basically is if JO opts out and calls us and is like "Look I'm like 28 but just give me a 5-6 years at the MLE." That probably isn't gonna happen. What I honestly feel the Nets are trying to do is to remain competitive (i.e. 2nd round exit) and basically keeping our money in order then to keep the fans interested...then make the splash when we roll to Brooklyn. I'll go for JO, but I'm not financing our future like Boston did. They HAD to make that move, we don't because we're playing for now but focusing on the future (i.e. Brooklyn)

I think in the small chance we were to trade for JO without getting RJ, we'd definitely build around that core of Harris, VC, RJ, JO. No way Ratner's going to say he's going to save up when he's paying for that kind of payroll. There would be no reason for VanderThorn to make Ratner even think of 2010. You could consider the MLE and LLE being put to use and would definitely have a good attraction to any role player free agents, particularly shooters. In the chance of us not trading any of our core for him, I'd definitely finance our future in a core like that.

And yeah...JO's not going to take the MLE here . Most likely, we'd have to sign him to an extension after a trade.

[Pugsley_2491]

Btw, even if JO is injured during his tenure with us (if we traded RJ for him) his contract is much shorter and ends just in time for that 2010 FA

[MrDollarBills]

"if" JO is injured?

Don't you mean "when"???

[S.I.C. GM]

People I think the point is being misunderstood.

If we are talking about 2010, We cant think that VC and JO are going to be big factors to success after 2010. Lets look at things realistically. In 2010,
Harris will be 27
VC will be 33
RJ will be 30
JO will be 32

Lebron will be 26 in 2010
Wade will be 28 in 2010

Even RJ will be only have a few years to participate. Only Harris and the young guys would be at decent ages. The only think that is attractive with JO is trading him for garbage to get his contract or some miracle he gets healthy to resign for alot less money. VC will be traded like Kidd was for expiring contracts, draft picks and a talented young player. Then we have to not only continue to stay competitive, hope Boone and/or S. Will develop, get young pieces by draft or trade, and hope and pray Lebron or Wade want to leave their current situation to play in Brooklyn.

Like I said before, for all the people that think we wont get Lebron or Wade, that is also possible. If we dont get either in 2010, we are in a rebuilding mode with great cap space.

[Rich Rane]

Like I said before, for all the people that think we wont get Lebron or Wade, that is also possible. If we dont get either in 2010, we are in a rebuilding mode with great cap space.

This is where I'm misunderstood the most. I don't want to rebuild for the sole purpose of getting LeBron or Wade. I want the team to rebuild for the sake of getting out of mediocrity. Good call, SIC.

[S.I.C. GM]

^ I dont think people understand.

We will be in Brooklyn that year or next with cap space. With a semi-young core of Harris and developing draft picks, Big FA would be rushing to come to NY to win and make money on and off the court.