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Post#561 » by FukaX » Mon Jun 9, 2008 5:04 am

I really dont see how its going to change when the series move to LA.

Paul Gasol, Lamar Odom and Ronny Turiaf arent going to suddenly be good defensive presence. Lakers were handing out offensive reboudns to boston like packages of dunkin donuts.

Ariza is still rusty. Luke walton is flat out horrible and Ramadobitch is a space cadet.

Sasha has been cold at the 3 since Spurs series. Lakers are lucky that farmar picked it up late in or else lakers wouldnt have made it this far.

we just dont have our drive and dish game. Boston took it away and right now the offense looks horrible.

Kobe tried to play in the post for the 1st 2 quarters, he is just not strong enough to hold good position over posely or pierce

I find that lamar rarely box anyoen out hes always to one leaping to get the boards. I really dotn expect pauls skinny frail frame to box anyone out.

celtics front line just looks to good compared to lakers. It is going to be as difficult as in celtic if the game goes slow.

garnette, leon powe, Pj brown kendrick perkin

gasol too skinny , lamar too tweener, ronny too short, and mbenga too raw.

Its not surprising to see lakers constantly losing on the board.
As great as ronny and lamar has been for the lakers,

Pau Gasol has to be paired with a physical imposing player like andrew bynum and KWAME BROWN instead of lamar, ramadobitch and ronny ( YES I SAID IT i havent seen any lakers used their bum to box their man out for a good long time )
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Post#562 » by milesfides » Mon Jun 9, 2008 5:04 am

shobe_81 wrote:Thanks Miles,

How can we keep this guy playing a SF?


Well, I think Phil likes his size on Pierce, and offensively, he does help spread the floor.

Move Kobe to SF and Put Sasha at 2!


I agree.

AND WHY do we keep going on top of the screens? Make Fisher go under the screen and give Rondo the jumper, cause Rando keeps driving and breaking down the defense when we try to go over the screen, and Gasol isn't quick enough to stay with him and if he does, Rondo give KG a wide open jumper!


Good point.

And it seems apparent that Odom won't do anything on offense this series, nor will the triangle work well, our best bet is to run the high pick-n-roll with Kobe & Gasol or start Kobe at the low-post or Post Gasol up! Sadly on 3 plays.


I agree, but I think Odom's still doing a good defensive job on Kendrick Perkins. Offensively, he's going to disappoint until he can knock down jump shots or deliver passes more quickly (that nice bounce pass to Gasol), but still, he's preventing Kendrick Perkins from being a factor in the first 2 games, and that's something, since Perkins was huge in the regular season matchups.
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Post#563 » by RJM » Mon Jun 9, 2008 5:06 am

To be honest with you, I wouldn't really be upset if the refs turned around and decided to give us the series. I personally wouldn't care, as long as it meant that we would be hoisting hardware after this series.
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Post#564 » by Danny Darko » Mon Jun 9, 2008 5:07 am

FukaX wrote:I really dont see how its going to change when the series move to LA.

Paul Gasol, Lamar Odom and Ronny Turiaf arent going to suddenly be good defensive presence. Lakers were handing out offensive reboudns to boston like packages of dunkin donuts.

Ariza is still rusty. Luke walton is flat out horrible and Ramadobitch is a space cadet.

Sasha has been cold at the 3 since Spurs series. Lakers are lucky that farmar picked it up late in or else lakers wouldnt have made it this far.

we just dont have our drive and dish game. Boston took it away and right now the offense looks horrible.

Kobe tried to play in the post for the 1st 2 quarters, he is just not strong enough to hold good position over posely or pierce

I find that lamar rarely box anyoen out hes always to one leaping to get the boards. I really dotn expect pauls skinny frail frame to box anyone out.

celtics front line just looks to good compared to lakers. It is going to be as difficult as in celtic if the game goes slow.

garnette, leon powe, Pj brown kendrick perkin

gasol too skinny , lamar too tweener, ronny too short, and mbenga too raw.

Its not surprising to see lakers constantly losing on the board.


just the foul calls would have changed this whole game... unfairly any home team gets them, so that will change.... which will change the culture, beyond the extra shots.
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Post#565 » by Minhee » Mon Jun 9, 2008 5:09 am

Iceburg Slim wrote:To be honest with you, I wouldn't really be upset if the refs turned around and decided to give us the series. I personally wouldn't care, as long as it meant that we would be hoisting hardware after this series.


No Miami already got that from the refs in 2006. After the Tim Donaghy incident, doubtful refs will be giving away the NBA title anytime soon if ever again.
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Post#566 » by dockingsched » Mon Jun 9, 2008 5:10 am

lamar has times that he doesn't box out because he leaves his man almost every single time because he's the designated help man. which ever side the ball is on, lamar is there playing zone. he's done a great job of helping out and getting back to his man.
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Post#567 » by shobe_81 » Mon Jun 9, 2008 5:10 am

Could someone please explain to me how Powe got 21 points, and 9 freethrow's (in those 7 minutes?

Does Phil not see what happened? He put Luke at the 4 and expected him to beat up on Powe while Ronney tried to hold his ground against PJ Brown!

This game makes me sick to my stomach because Powe a unheard scrub was killing our whole team from the FT line and in intensity.

I wish we had Bynum for this series :(
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Post#568 » by SashAlex » Mon Jun 9, 2008 5:13 am

It sucks being down 0 - 2 ! But we've got 3 home games, and we have to destroy and crush them in LA !

There has to be some adjustments made.

Poor game !
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Post#569 » by Minhee » Mon Jun 9, 2008 5:14 am

FukaX wrote:I really dont see how its going to change when the series move to LA.

Paul Gasol, Lamar Odom and Ronny Turiaf arent going to suddenly be good defensive presence. Lakers were handing out offensive reboudns to boston like packages of dunkin donuts.

Ariza is still rusty. Luke walton is flat out horrible and Ramadobitch is a space cadet.

Sasha has been cold at the 3 since Spurs series. Lakers are lucky that farmar picked it up late in or else lakers wouldnt have made it this far.

we just dont have our drive and dish game. Boston took it away and right now the offense looks horrible.

Kobe tried to play in the post for the 1st 2 quarters, he is just not strong enough to hold good position over posely or pierce

I find that lamar rarely box anyoen out hes always to one leaping to get the boards. I really dotn expect pauls skinny frail frame to box anyone out.

celtics front line just looks to good compared to lakers. It is going to be as difficult as in celtic if the game goes slow.

garnette, leon powe, Pj brown kendrick perkin

gasol too skinny , lamar too tweener, ronny too short, and mbenga too raw.

Its not surprising to see lakers constantly losing on the board.
As great as ronny and lamar has been for the lakers,

Pau Gasol has to be paired with a physical imposing player like andrew bynum and KWAME BROWN instead of lamar, ramadobitch and ronny ( YES I SAID IT i havent seen any lakers used their bum to box their man out for a good long time )


Yes I agree. I don't see how people are saying we will win 3 straight in LA. The change of scenery isn't really going to help that much, how will Gasol, Odom and Ronny defense all of a sudden get better just because it is in staples? How will Sasha and Farmar all of a sudden start shooting lights out? How will Fisher and the others all of a sudden stop committing silly fouls? How will Gasol all of a sudden stop being so soft? How will Kobe all of a sudden find easy/efficient ways to score over 30 a game and take over? How will Odom all of a sudden make an impact? How will the team all of a sudden play impressive defense?
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Post#570 » by milesfides » Mon Jun 9, 2008 5:15 am

Yes, I think officiating would have some impact.

But more importantly, these are winnable games.

We need to make some defensive adjustments, particularly on Paul Pierce, and now Leon Powe.

I think the Lakers need to single coverage Kevin Garnett. Don't double him and leave guys like Pierce or Ray Allen open. If KG makes shots, fine. But I think Gasol is doing a decent job contesting most of his shots. KG doesn't want to be a high-volume scorer anyways.

This will allow Kobe to stay on Pierce, and limit the damage. Pierce is out there just stepping into threes, uncontested. He's the heavy-hitter, and Kobe needs to make it hard for him.

We need Vujacic to chase Allen and get under his skin. The more pressure there is on Allen to score, the worse he shoots. And all those long rebounds might lead to fastbreak opportunities for us.

Offensively? Post up Kobe more, give him more iso plays, and run plenty of pick and rolls for him. He needs shooters on the floor to make defensives pay for doubling.

The triangle offense isn't working consistently because defenses are cheating off Odom, but we still need Odom for defensive purposes. So we need to simplify the game a bit, and let Kobe read the defenses, draw them in, and create for his teammates. That's been the most consistent source of success for our team.

Also, give Farmar more burn.


I think we'd have an excellent chance if we just make those adjustments.
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Post#571 » by milesfides » Mon Jun 9, 2008 5:21 am

Also, I like the idea of Farmar guarding Rondo, since if anybody should cheat, it should be Farmar, who's EXCELLENT at playing the passing lanes and stealing the ball. And Farmar could get away with it, since Rondo is a poor shooter.
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Post#572 » by BobbySura » Mon Jun 9, 2008 5:22 am

shobe_81 wrote:Could someone please explain to me how Powe got 21 points, and 9 freethrow's (in those 7 minutes?

Does Phil not see what happened? He put Luke at the 4 and expected him to beat up on Powe while Ronney tried to hold his ground against PJ Brown!

This game makes me sick to my stomach because Powe a unheard scrub was killing our whole team from the FT line and in intensity.

I wish we had Bynum for this series :(


leon powe is far from an unheard scrub.
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Post#573 » by FukaX » Mon Jun 9, 2008 5:23 am

i was screaming at fisher to bear hug rondo when rondo had the ball for less than a sec before the pierce foul and lakers being down 2

at crunch time, lakers should blitz rondo, aggressive get him if attempt fail, foul him and send him to the line.

Boston got casell because they know crunch tiem FTs are his weakness.
Lakers need to exploit it.
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Post#574 » by Verbal » Mon Jun 9, 2008 5:28 am

Long time no see, U-Borat. :wave:
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Post#575 » by FukaX » Mon Jun 9, 2008 5:29 am

leon powe is a legitimate force, he has the foot work and he can get to the lane with his dribbles.

In other word, hes no kwame brown
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Post#576 » by Mike35 » Mon Jun 9, 2008 5:52 am

The botten line is Boston is 4-0 against the Laker this year and the only game that was close was 2nite and the Cs was winning the game by 24 with 7 mins to go..... so far the Celtics are proving they are the better team.....
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Post#577 » by Anklebreaker702 » Mon Jun 9, 2008 5:57 am

We need all 3 @ home Lakers, Let's get it done
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Post#578 » by IEcelticfan » Mon Jun 9, 2008 6:00 am

man am i glad we survived that was a great game a very close one but i'm glad we won. great game again, guys!!! la is just a magnificent, spectacular and unstopabble offensive team.
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Post#579 » by Flipdog69xxx » Mon Jun 9, 2008 6:00 am

I just hope we can return the favor and serve up some "home cooking" of our own. For real they were gettin calls and we weren't.
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Post#580 » by IEcelticfan » Mon Jun 9, 2008 6:08 am

Westbrook36 wrote:Then when you get momentum going, you can steal one in Boston.


"can". i like that.

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