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Re: Players worked out by Kings...Official 2008 Draft Thread 

Post#121 » by BMiller52 » Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:35 pm

deNIEd wrote:UKF I agree with you on Jordan.

Personally, I think it would be best to use either Artest or Salmons to nab a pick 13-17 range, and draft Jordan. Yes he is all potential, and very likely to become a bust, however, if he isn't a bust, he will be one of the best centers in the league. If both live up to potential, a Hawes/Jordan frontcourt, would be the best in the league, and at the risk of either Artest or Salmons, I am willing to take the gamble.

Overall, that Toronto's and Phoenix's picks are looking extremely attractive, both of which I believe could be had using Ron and Salmons. Either of those picks, one of Arthur/Speights/Jordan will be available, allowing us to take Alexander/Gallinari/Augustin/Westbrook/Lopez/Randolph using our pick.



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Post#122 » by pillwenney » Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:47 pm

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mitchweber wrote:The wiretap is saying that it sounds like Milwaukee is really into Randolph. If they pick him, I think that moves Alexander back to us.

I really, really have no clue what's going to happen right now. I think I have a pretty good idea of most of the teams before us, but I just don't have any idea where we're going to go with this.


Same here. I'm guessing Indiana takes Augustin, IDK who NJ has(maybe Alexander? Could be Gallinari tho), Charlotte is taking Westbrook it looks like(and has been reported by numerous places that he has a promise within the top 9 picks), if Milwaukee takes Randolph like you said, it looks like Gordon makes sense for LAC, NY I'm not sure, Memphis sounds like they love Kevin Love, and then we all know some combination of the top 4 is basically Rose/Beasley/Mayo/Bayless. I'm hoping Milwaukee takes Alexander though.


I think New Jersey is probably picking Gallinari, given that he was supposedly going back to Europe if he didn't get a top 10 promise, and New Jersey is the situation that makes the most sense there.

Draftexpress actually has Seattle taking Lopez now, and I believe that. Because if Westbrook has a top 9 promise to Charlotte, then I think that it means that Charlotte knows that it won't be getting Lopez or Love, which means that Lopez is taken probably in the top 6. If he is taken by Seattle, then that likely moves Bayless down the Knicks, which would kind of be a no-brainer. So it would look like this:

Bulls - Rose/Beasley
Heat - Rose/Beasley
Minny - Mayo
Seattle - Lopez
Memphis - Love
Knicks - Bayless
Clips - Gordon
Bucks - Randolph
Bobcats - Westbrook
New Jersey - Gallinari
Indiana - Augustin
Kings - ?????
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Re: Players worked out by Kings...Official 2008 Draft Thread 

Post#123 » by Ballings7 » Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:42 pm

Arthur or Alexander, most likely...
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Post#124 » by Ballings7 » Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:03 pm

UKF wrote:Why do people want to draft Arthur?


Well, it's simple... because he's a two-way above-average complementary PF prospect. He'd significantly improve multiple aspects where we've been lacking for years, and regardless of starting, he'd be an important part of our PF/C nucleus for the future. He'd be well compatible with Spencer.

While not quite having the size to be a typical big man anchor, he's still an all-around, high-level defender. Defending positionally, rotating, contesting, coming out on the pick-and-roll, blocking shots, defending effectively against quicker players on switches, improved his discipline on staying down. He has great quickness for a big man. I don't think he's a bad rebounder, but he hasn't shown to be consistently solid there yet, either. He'll get better there, though, as he matures, he has the frame and work ethic for that. Also because he was on a deep, long, big, athletic Kansas team from top to bottom, and got into foul trouble regularily, that effected his rebounding situation. He's a tad undersized, but not too much, has length, and is going to be able to put on mass.

He has an array of offensive skills... posting up, facing up, shooting the mid-range j, turn-around jumper, effective passing ability (overlooked part of his game, but I've seen it too much to not mention it), smart screening, finishing. Does need to improve his dribbling and jumpshot (which has still been an effective threat) some.

Is a very good athlete, explosive, and plays with energy. He's played in several big games, and has won significantly in college.

I'll very much take that at #12 in this draft, because he'll make us a better team defensively and offensively.

It's not like were going to get a star player, or that anchoring defensive big man. I think those are there for the next couple years, though. Only Jordan could turn out to be the latter, but it looks doubtful we'd pick him, and is a risky pick. That said, I'd take the chance on Jordan, I just don't expect us to draft him because of other players, his notable lack of skill, iffy character, and he seemingly goes against Geoff's mentality. Maybe that'll change this year, but I'd still be pretty surprised to see us pick him.

I think you need to get more familiar with Arthur's game and form a relative out-look on him, because the 2 or 3 times I've seen you talk about him, you've been off. Compared to the collectivity I've come away with from watching Arthur since January 2007, and others. I suggest watching stuff of him online when you can. The two games against UNC and Memphis in the final four are fantastic Arthur games.
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Re: Players worked out by Kings...Official 2008 Draft Thread 

Post#125 » by Ballings7 » Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:31 pm

The NBA announced the 16 players that will be available to the media on Wednesday and also in the Green Room during the actual draft on Thursday.

- Joe Alexander (West Virginia) - Darrell Arthur (Kansas) - DJ Augustin (Texas) - Jerryd Bayless (Arizona) - Michael Beasley (Kansas State) - Danilo Gallinari (Italy) - Eric Gordon (Indiana) - DeAndre Jordan (Texas A&M) - Brook Lopez (Stanford) - Robin Lopez (Stanford) - Kevin Love (UCLA) - OJ Mayo (USC) - Anthony Randolph (LSU) - Derrick Rose (Memphis) - Brandon Rush (Kansas)) - Russell Westbrook (UCLA)


http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... _released/
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Post#126 » by UKF » Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:37 pm

Ballings, Thanks for answering my question.

I have watched a few games of his this year and wasn't too impressed with him, so I'm going off of what I saw, but you have obviously watched him a lot more than I have of him. And hopefully your right. I have watched a few videos on youtube of his, but there are videos of everybody on youtube. He looks more athletic than I remember seeing him in the few games I watched, but I still dont think his defense will be as good as we may need it to be in a few years. Hopefully if we do decide to draft him he will improve on defense and be able to bulk up so he can become that PF we need and be there for us consistantly.
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Post#127 » by UKF » Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:40 pm

Anybody see the latest NBA Mock Draft on ESPN.

Chad Ford has us getting Mario Chalmers. I thought that was pretty odd. There are some othere things that were strange as well..

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-080623
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Post#128 » by pillwenney » Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:43 pm

UKF wrote:Anybody see the latest NBA Mock Draft on ESPN.

Chad Ford has us getting Mario Chalmers. I thought that was pretty odd. There are some othere things that were strange as well..

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-080623



Wow.....what a crackpot mock. Ford shouldn't be employed.
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Re: Players worked out by Kings...Official 2008 Draft Thread 

Post#129 » by KingInExile » Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:53 pm

mitchweber wrote:
UKF wrote:Anybody see the latest NBA Mock Draft on ESPN.

Chad Ford has us getting Mario Chalmers. I thought that was pretty odd. There are some othere things that were strange as well..

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-080623



Wow.....what a crackpot mock. Ford shouldn't be employed.

Much of the reason I never put any stock in just about anything he has to say.
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Post#130 » by BMiller52 » Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:01 pm

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The NBA announced the 16 players that will be available to the media on Wednesday and also in the Green Room during the actual draft on Thursday.

- Joe Alexander (West Virginia) - Darrell Arthur (Kansas) - DJ Augustin (Texas) - Jerryd Bayless (Arizona) - Michael Beasley (Kansas State) - Danilo Gallinari (Italy) - Eric Gordon (Indiana) - DeAndre Jordan (Texas A&M) - Brook Lopez (Stanford) - Robin Lopez (Stanford) - Kevin Love (UCLA) - OJ Mayo (USC) - Anthony Randolph (LSU) - Derrick Rose (Memphis) - Brandon Rush (Kansas)) - Russell Westbrook (UCLA)


http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... _released/



Wonder what that means about Arthur. Green room guys are typically lottery guys mostly and I doubt he'd go before our pick?
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Post#131 » by pillwenney » Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:10 pm

Well there are 16 guys, so even if those are the 1st 16 picks (it never works out that way), 2 would have to not be lottery picks.
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Post#132 » by KF10 » Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:23 pm

UKF wrote:Anybody see the latest NBA Mock Draft on ESPN.

Chad Ford has us getting Mario Chalmers. I thought that was pretty odd. There are some othere things that were strange as well..

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-080623


Chad Ford just lost credibility.
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Post#133 » by RIPskaterdude » Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:32 pm

I like Chalmers, but definately not at #12. If we felt that we couldn't resign Beno, ended up trading Artest for Ford + 17, I wouldn't feel that bad about picking Chalmers with the 17th pick (if DJ wasnt there at 12 and we ended up picking a PF).
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Post#134 » by Ballings7 » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:02 am

UKF wrote:I have watched a few games of his this year and wasn't too impressed with him, so I'm going off of what I saw, but you have obviously watched him a lot more than I have of him. And hopefully your right. I have watched a few videos on youtube of his, but there are videos of everybody on youtube. He looks more athletic than I remember seeing him in the few games I watched, but I still dont think his defense will be as good as we may need it to be in a few years. Hopefully if we do decide to draft him he will improve on defense and be able to bulk up so he can become that PF we need and be there for us consistantly.


You're missing the actuality here, for the kind of defender Arthur is and will be - defense is not his weakness at all. That's one of his strong-points.

You can't expect Arthur to become a defensive anchor style of big man because of his size situation. And, just because he won't really be that kind of big man defender, as I explained earlier, he's still going to be a very good defender. Not only in general, but for us, especially. Which will still help us out quite a bit, because we simply need to get better defensively up front as a whole, and his well-rounded defensive game will do that.

The only improvement defensively he has to do is just get used to the NBA and bulk up, which I have no doubt he's going to. Just a matter of time. He's not going to improve into a Duncan, Chandler, Okafor, Haywood, JO, Dalembert, Bynum, Diop kind of big man defender because he's going to lack some size for that type of presence. That, being the ideal type of big man defender, but that doesn't make Arthur insignificant at all as a defender because of everything that he can do.

We'll still be needing that big defensive presence like mentioned, but outside of possibly Jordan (who isn't a relatively safe pick), that's just probably not going to come in this draft. And I don't think it will at all. So there'll be oppurtunities in the future to find that player, and in maybe finding that guy, slot him in as the starter next to Spencer.

Hypothetically, Hawes (who while probably won't be "good", he'll be respected defensively because of his total size and eventual awareness, which he has already shown positively several times)/Arthur/Shelden (assuming he goes well enough) is a nice defensive foundation going foward. All, at least in my opinion, are going to be above-average to different extents, and all differing as defenders.
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Re: Players worked out by Kings...Official 2008 Draft Thread 

Post#135 » by BMiller52 » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:02 am

Interesting, Alexander went to Milwaukee a 2nd time for a secret visit: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=817000
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Post#136 » by Ballings7 » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:08 am

^ As much as I dig Joe, I don't mind that at all.
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Post#137 » by pillwenney » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:26 am

I think that that means that Randolph falling to us is a more distinct possibility. Ugh...I don't want to be faced with that decision.
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Post#138 » by KF10 » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:38 am

mitchweber wrote:I think that that means that Randolph falling to us is a more distinct possibility. Ugh...I don't want to be faced with that decision.


Yeah, I know! Very tough choice. If I have to choose either Randolph or Arthur. I think I would take Randolph over him. Scratch that I take him in a heartbeat. If Randolph slips to us, I think it is a no brainer IMO. You cant pass up a player like that.
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Re: Players worked out by Kings...Official 2008 Draft Thread 

Post#139 » by BMiller52 » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:50 am

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mitchweber wrote:I think that that means that Randolph falling to us is a more distinct possibility. Ugh...I don't want to be faced with that decision.


Yeah, I know! Very tough choice. If I have to choose either Randolph or Arthur. I think I would take Randolph over him. Scratch that I take him in a heartbeat. If Randolph slips to us, I think it is a no brainer IMO. You cant pass up a player like that.


I'd take Arthur. Randolph is too skinny, and he even said he thinks he'll be a SF. Arthur is a much safer pick, and we know we need a PF.
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Re: Players worked out by Kings...Official 2008 Draft Thread 

Post#140 » by KF10 » Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:17 am

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kingsfan10 wrote:
mitchweber wrote:I think that that means that Randolph falling to us is a more distinct possibility. Ugh...I don't want to be faced with that decision.


Yeah, I know! Very tough choice. If I have to choose either Randolph or Arthur. I think I would take Randolph over him. Scratch that I take him in a heartbeat. If Randolph slips to us, I think it is a no brainer IMO. You cant pass up a player like that.


I'd take Arthur. Randolph is too skinny, and he even said he thinks he'll be a SF. Arthur is a much safer pick, and we know we need a PF.


Eh, I believe that Randolph will gain weight throughout his career i.e. Garnett. Randolph is like what 18/19 years old? That's young! Younger than Hawes if you want to put that into perspective. IMO I think that Randolph will become 3/4 hybrids. The league is evolving into that aspect.

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