Udrih, is he expected back?

[pillwenney]

Udrih is being undervalued. 25 years old, two championship rings, a sold shooter, shoots good percentages, especially from the FT career 82%.

He's also not an especially good playmaker. He can be a starter on a great team if surrounded by great players, but other than that, on a team looking to contend, he's a bench player.

I don't know about that. There have been plenty of championship teams with worse PG's. He is a solid 13 ppg, 5-6 apg type of player and if we come out big in other areas he may be just fine. Plus he is pretty big for a PG. I do think he is worth the MLE, but if another team offered him any more than that then he's got to go.

I mentioned that in my post--how he can be a solid role player if the other positions are really awesome.

[vtime]

I cant remember the last time giving up a talent young playoff tested point guard worked out for a franchise

[pillwenney]

I cant remember the last time giving up a talent young playoff tested point guard worked out for a franchise

Playoff tested? The most minutes he ever got in the playoffs was in 04-05 when in a whopping 11.5 MPG, he put up 3.7PPG, 0.8RPG, 1APG (to 0.95 TOs) shooting under 36% from the field. If he's "playoff tested" then he's "playoff failed". I'm not saying that he couldn't be a good playoff performer, but he sure as hell hasn't proven anything in that respect.

[Smills91]

I'm cool with Beno, he'll be a nice piece moving forward. If we can deal Kenny/SAR for a stop gap fix for this season, then let him walk. If not signing him to around the MLE is fine IMO. I think he can be worth that kind of money. 14 points/6 assists savvy player who keeps the offense running.

[KingInExile]

I'm cool with Beno, he'll be a nice piece moving forward. If we can deal Kenny/SAR for a stop gap fix for this season, then let him walk. If not signing him to around the MLE is fine IMO. I think he can be worth that kind of money. 14 points/6 assists savvy player who keeps the offense running.

I'm cool with keeping him around as well, but not for the full MLE. I would give him an offer of 3 years/$13M ($4M start with 10% raises) with a player option on the 3rd. If after 2 years he's proven to be a strong asset, then he can opt out and negotiate a bigger long-term deal (we'll have his Bird Rights then). Anything more than that is just overpaying for him at this point IMO.

[Smills91]

I'm cool with Beno, he'll be a nice piece moving forward. If we can deal Kenny/SAR for a stop gap fix for this season, then let him walk. If not signing him to around the MLE is fine IMO. I think he can be worth that kind of money. 14 points/6 assists savvy player who keeps the offense running.

I'm cool with keeping him around as well, but not for the full MLE. I would give him an offer of 3 years/$13M ($4M start with 10% raises) with a player option on the 3rd. If after 2 years he's proven to be a strong asset, then he can opt out and negotiate a bigger long-term deal (we'll have his Bird Rights then). Anything more than that is just overpaying for him at this point IMO.

I mean, I think it could be potentially beneficial for both parties to got the 3 year route. In 3 years he can get Bird Rights and be eligible for SnT and what not. I think he'll want at least an ETO at that point with player options on years 4 and maybe 5.

I think it'll take a 5 year deal at the full MLE for Beno, and yes that makes me a lil quesy, but ultimately I think he can become good value for that price tag. He's definitely a solid option at PG, but he'll never be a star. However, I don't ever think he'll be a 'liability'. He'll be a good PG for a good team, sorta like(and I can't beleive that I am saying this) Derek Fisher is. I think he can have that kind of value, and most teams would or could deal for Beno for an expiring at that price tag if we want to ditch out on those last 2-3 years on his deal if you know what I mean.

[SacTown Kings]

^^^ Funny you said that because when I think Beno I think Fisher as well. I don't know why but I do.

[pillwenney]

I don't think they're all that similar as players. But Fisher is an example of a guy who many would, in other circumstances probably call "a guy that could never start for a contender". But because he can be a solid starter in that respect, he's at least not too far from being worth the MLE. I think Beno is better, so situationally, it would seem that Beno is worth that.

[Smills91]

I don't think they're all that similar as players. But Fisher is an example of a guy who many would, in other circumstances probably call "a guy that could never start for a contender". But because he can be a solid starter in that respect, he's at least not too far from being worth the MLE. I think Beno is better, so situationally, it would seem that Beno is worth that.

I'm not saying they similar in style, but rather similar in terms of how they impact a game.

[jeffjtk1234]

yeah artest didnt opt out...but he will be traded before the trade deadline next year. I am nor sure of that. As for beno...the full MLE is waaaaaaaay overpaying. Let another team give him that or more...i dont think hes worth that much.

[RoyalCourtJestr]

6 mil for one or two years, fine. Three, max. Six mil for 5 years is down right ridiculous. I mean seriously.

[jeffjtk1234]

i mean...to add on, kevin martin is making 55 mil over 5 years. According to sam amick, the kings are preparing to offer beno 5 years at 6 mil a year. Really? Beno is not worth kevin money.

[KingInExile]

i mean...to add on, kevin martin is making 55 mil over 5 years. According to sam amick, the kings are preparing to offer beno 5 years at 6 mil a year. Really? Beno is not worth kevin money.

How is a 5-year/$30M deal similar to Martin's 5-year/$55M deal? It's not even close.

That said, I have no interest in giving Beno a full MLE deal for 5 years. I would give him $13M over 3 years at the most.

[BMiller52]

i mean...to add on, kevin martin is making 55 mil over 5 years. According to sam amick, the kings are preparing to offer beno 5 years at 6 mil a year. Really? Beno is not worth kevin money.

How is a 5-year/$30M deal similar to Martin's 5-year/$55M deal? It's not even close.

That said, I have no interest in giving Beno a full MLE deal for 5 years. I would give him $13M over 3 years at the most.

Agreed. Has Geoff started doing crack???

[SacKingZZZ]

Beno at the full MLE is a tough one, but I don't think it will destroy us if we do.

Kevin Martin is on a GREAT contract. I can't believe people were saying that was overpaying.

[Ballings7]

That's a lot for Beno... I think that'd be over-paying, and may not change.

[KF10]

I wouldn't say that OVERPAYING but if Petrie believes that Beno is that guy to earn the money. Why not? The only issue that I have about the deal is the length of it. 5 years? That's kinda long. It should be three years IMO.

[jeffjtk1234]

haha wow i did the math wrong KIE. My bad...haha

[SacKingZZZ]

Beno for the MLE is about standard for what he is capable of producing. By comparison think about how not too far below Bibby is and how much less he'll be making. Saving 5 million or so over the lifetime of his contract isn't bad. In fact I would be the best MLE signing we've had in about 4 years, with the exception of Salmons of course.

[pillwenney]

I don't think they're all that similar as players. But Fisher is an example of a guy who many would, in other circumstances probably call "a guy that could never start for a contender". But because he can be a solid starter in that respect, he's at least not too far from being worth the MLE. I think Beno is better, so situationally, it would seem that Beno is worth that.

I'm not saying they similar in style, but rather similar in terms of how they impact a game.

Yeah that's what I was getting at too.

As for Beno, I've said it before--if we're going to give him a 3 year deal, it won't make a huge difference to give him a 5 year deal in all likelihood. Assuming he stays productive, he should be pretty movable in that scenario, especially since he doesn't hit his prime for at least a couple more years.