NETS TRADE JEFFERSON TO BUCKS FOR YI AND BOBBY SIMMONS!

Serpo · Post #141 » by **Serpo** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:09 pm

If he only was a shoot first player , if he only was ...

Why do you think he averaged less points then RJ last year ? He's passing up way too many shot for some reason.

Serpo · Post #142 » by **Serpo** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:37 pm

You guys want to know my latest conspiracy theory about this trade ? Although this trade might not be the best value for RJ unless Yi really pans out BUT this eliminates the possibility of Cleveland getting Michael Redd to boost the Cavs and make Lebron happy.

At least thats my theory after reading about Nets nixing Cavs trade ideas for VC .

Gamble on trying to sabotage Cleveland offeason .

Well most likely not true but still like the idea to sabotage the Cavs.

Preludepunk27 · Post #143 » by **Preludepunk27** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:33 pm

Serpo wrote:If he only was a shoot first player , if he only was ...

Why do you think he averaged less points then RJ last year ? He's passing up way too many shot for some reason.

^^^^ exactly. Vince averages career highs in assists last year and took the 3rd lowest shots per game in his career (1st was part of the 04-05 season when he was in Toronto and 2nd was his rookie year). As much as Vince is our #1, he's matured since coming here. He trusts his team more even if we basically suck. He tries to get others involved. He still chucks up bad shots, but he's learning that he doesn't just have to take the most shots to be considered the #1. One more pass may be the best move Vince could do on a play. He's finally learned that...he just needs to get that "Kobe-ness" when he NEEDS to put the team on his back and close a game out.

AttackTheRack · Post #144 » by **AttackTheRack** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:33 am

Good deal. Yi can be great. He's got great skills, athleticism, and he hustles. Ya, he's probably older then advertised, but so what? He's 22, 23, 24. Whatever. He's young enough to play HIGH-LEVEL ball for the next 8 years solid. He can score 15 - 17 pts/game easy next year if he gets featured enough. He'll be better than Jefferson in 2 years - by the time he's 25, 26 years old. Then you have a guy at that level, or higher, for the next 5 - 6 years, maybe more. Once he gets accustomed to NBA ball in the very near future, he'll score A LOT. That, and he plays solid D = excellent freakin' player. Oh, and he brings a bajillion fans into the equation. How much coverage will Yi and Yao generate when they suit up for the Chinese national team in 2 years at the world's biggest sporting event? The Chinese and American media will be on that like stink on ****. The Nets will benefit from that massive exposure. The soon-to- be Brooklyn Nets just made a MAJOR move. Congrats.

aznkillabeezZz · Post #145 » by **aznkillabeezZz** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:19 am

6_Rings wrote:Yi will blossom in NJ cuz there will be no one holding him down (Redd,Mo won't let him have the ball). there was one time that Redd froze him out so that he won't get his 30pts that night.

Ive watched quite alot of bucks games. Yi does have his flaws, his upper body strength, and finishing and rebounds. But Redd and Mo does demand the ball alot and really froze Yi out of the offense.

bigbreakfast · Post #146 » by **bigbreakfast** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:31 pm

as I said in the other thread - Yi's age is well disputed, but it's not proven or a sure thing he's 24 at all - in any case 22 or 24 it doesn't matter to me as long as he takes care of his body. He's weak and got weak hands and needs to work on his handles, but one thing that really impressed me is, despite his offensive struggles (and he struggled ALOT at one point) he never stopped trying on defense or rebounding (he wasn't particularly good at either, but the desire was there), and when you have an athletic 7 footer with quick feet and a decent reach with the desire to play D and rebound, you have a guy who has a niche in the league. So, I think, even if Yi doesn't become a star, you're at least getting a future solid starter.

wichmae · Post #147 » by **wichmae** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:17 pm

One more tidbit. With the Olympics coming up dont expect much from him. This will be like two straight years of playing ball for him without a break. I wouldnt be surprised that nagging injuries start popping up on him. He has a solid future but has a ton of miscellaneous things he comes with.
1. Chinese team commitment
2. Age issues
3. He has handlers making decisions for him
4. severely weak upper body.
5. communication issues

etc etc etc.....

He does have upside yes. He can be a very good player in the league. Comparing him to Dirk really isnt fair to him at all. I think he will have a Joe Smith type career which isnt really a bad thing. Bobby on the other hand if you get anything out of him will be a plus. He was a salary throw in and because of injuries he has significantly been hampered. Granted he had a breakout season and was paid for it but you have to take that into context. He was the third best player on a really bad team and only really showed that ability to be that guy one season. The rest is well, rather disappointing. Its a solid trade for both teams but if you think this was anything more than purely a cap move your fooling yourself. Just thank your GM he didnt accept the original deal for Bobby and CV.

Good luck this season guys. Good luck with Yi.

RJ 24 · Post #148 » by **RJ 24** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:17 am

Why couldn't Thorn just wait after the draft to even think about this trade? With Yi here now and Lopez/Anderson coming in with promising youngsters already on the team, the trade was pointless from a basketball standpoint. I bet SWAT and/or Boone aren't even going to get time now. Cool, trading RJ opened up CAP for 10' and we obtained Yi, who brings Chinese people into IZOD. THAT DOESN"T WIN GAMES. Nobody can say RJ was a bad player. Trading him for virtually nothing was a heartbreaker. I don't like Yi and I doubt he amounts to anything.

Tell me this team isn't a playoff team now and in 2 years -

PG - Harris/Marcus
SG - VC/CDR/Ager
SF - RJ/Hassell
PF - Krstic/SWAT/Anderson
C - Boone/Lopez

We have great depth and talent at PG.
We have a playmaker at SG with the steal of the draft behind him.
We have a guy that plays bothways in RJ and a defensive minded vet behind him.
We have young talent at PF. What if Krstic bounces back? SWAT has too much potential to decline. Anderson is a sharpshooter who can stretch the court.
Boone and Lopez inside is not bad at all. Actually, its quite good. Boone gives you a double double every night. We finally have a low post presence offensivley with Lopez. Boone's defense down low complements well with Lopez's offense.

Counting on Simmons to start for you at SF is a big risk especially when he isn't even very good to begin with. Yi is can shoot the midrange J, but can't Krstic do that? Anderson can hit jumpers.

We don't need to rebuild if we don't make that trade. Through the draft we acquired what we desperatly needed, a low post scorer. I don't understand why people don't like this pick. It was a gift. Anderson is that consistent shooter that we have been looking for. The only reason why people don't like the pick is because he isn't a "household name" and that he isn't a shooter in SG form. CDR was a steal. He is more of a slasher who gets to the whole and is a winner.

I just had to get that out. All in all, I hated the trade. If only our owner cared about winning. F*** the buisness standpoint. We are an NBA Basketball team, not AIG.

***Oh and did I forget to mention FA didn't even start yet?!?!

bigbreakfast · Post #149 » by **bigbreakfast** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 7:53 am

RJ 24 wrote:
Tell me this team isn't a playoff team now and in 2 years -

PG - Harris/Marcus
SG - VC/CDR/Ager
SF - RJ/Hassell
PF - Krstic/SWAT/Anderson
C - Boone/Lopez

I think it could be a bottom playoff team in the East. And this team is going to attract LBJ via FA how?

Post #150 » by **Rich Rane** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:01 am

RJ 24 wrote:Why couldn't Thorn just wait after the draft to even think about this trade? With Yi here now and Lopez/Anderson coming in with promising youngsters already on the team, the trade was pointless from a basketball standpoint. I bet SWAT and/or Boone aren't even going to get time now. Cool, trading RJ opened up CAP for 10' and we obtained Yi, who brings Chinese people into IZOD. THAT DOESN"T WIN GAMES. Nobody can say RJ was a bad player. Trading him for virtually nothing was a heartbreaker. I don't like Yi and I doubt he amounts to anything.

Tell me this team isn't a playoff team now and in 2 years -

PG - Harris/Marcus
SG - VC/CDR/Ager
SF - RJ/Hassell
PF - Krstic/SWAT/Anderson
C - Boone/Lopez

We have great depth and talent at PG.
We have a playmaker at SG with the steal of the draft behind him.
We have a guy that plays bothways in RJ and a defensive minded vet behind him.
We have young talent at PF. What if Krstic bounces back? SWAT has too much potential to decline. Anderson is a sharpshooter who can stretch the court.
Boone and Lopez inside is not bad at all. Actually, its quite good. Boone gives you a double double every night. We finally have a low post presence offensivley with Lopez. Boone's defense down low complements well with Lopez's offense.

Yes, this may have been a playoff team, BUT by no means was this a contender. You have to realize with the core we had in RJ, VC, and Harris and our cap situation, this team couldn't move further even with our current draft picks. I thought we could've gotten more for RJ also, but this sure beats the hell out of staying in the middle of the league with MLE guys and mid 1sts every year. We finally have direction.

Counting on Simmons to start for you at SF is a big risk especially when he isn't even very good to begin with. Yi is can shoot the midrange J, but can't Krstic do that? Anderson can hit jumpers.

You're right about Simmons. Who knows what Krstic can do? He hasn't looked great at all since the injury. And you'd count on a rookie who hasn't played an NBA game yet over a high 1st rounder with a season under his belt?

We don't need to rebuild if we don't make that trade. Through the draft we acquired what we desperatly needed, a low post scorer. I don't understand why people don't like this pick. It was a gift. Anderson is that consistent shooter that we have been looking for. The only reason why people don't like the pick is because he isn't a "household name" and that he isn't a shooter in SG form. CDR was a steal. He is more of a slasher who gets to the whole and is a winner.

I just had to get that out. All in all, I hated the trade. If only our owner cared about winning. F*** the buisness standpoint. We are an NBA Basketball team, not AIG.

Get this through your head. DIRECTION (whether contending or rebuilding) >>> MEDIOCRITY

***Oh and did I forget to mention FA didn't even start yet?!?!

And who do you suppose we sign with our MLE? Another Magloire? Monta? Pietrus? Teams with the MLE in better locations and/or in contention would likely entice them more than we can at the moment before and after the trade. You get under the cap and you entice big names by offering what they want while getting great young talent from the draft as a foundation.

MrDollarBills · Post #151 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:20 pm

that is a playoff team?

Maybe we'll get the 11th pick instead of the 10th with that line up

Birth of the Cool · Post #152 » by **Birth of the Cool** » Wed Jul 2, 2008 10:28 pm

other than a little blurb about RJ texting Rod Thorn back with the tone of the text being negative towards the transaction there really hasn't been any direct quotes from RJ / VC / Devin about the trade. Heck Yi's so busy w/ Olympics that we haven't received feedback from him (obviously it will be positive).

Some on this board want to trade VC for anything and I'd only agree with that if it comes out VC wants no part of this rebuilding process. Devin may be disappointed but he's young enough to wait out 2010 and grow with this team but I'd still like to know his take on it since RJ was a pretty good fit with Devin offensively.

Kinda fidgety when you see these transactions going on all around early in the off-season and you have to wait to see what's going to happen.

It will be interesting to hear RJ/VC/Devin's take on all this.

MrDollarBills · Post #153 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 1:52 pm

Birth of the Cool wrote:It will be interesting to hear RJ/VC/Devin's take on all this.

VC and Devin are probably hoping that they are next

eathy · Post #154 » by **eathy** » Fri Jul 4, 2008 12:22 am

hi, just wondering with RJ gone... who will start at SF?

Serpo · Post #155 » by **Serpo** » Fri Jul 4, 2008 12:44 am

MLE FA and if we can't get somebody for 2 year MLE with a 3rd year team option then Bobby Simmons with some young guys backing him up. Not great but well.

captain_cheapseats · Post #156 » by **captain_cheapseats** » Sun Jul 6, 2008 3:25 am

This could be anything from an amazing deal to absolute crap for you guys. If the cap space allows you to nab Lebron OR Yi lives up to even 75% of his potential, you guys made an outstanding trade. If neither happens, not so much. But I for one like when GMs go for broke like this; NBA Champs or bust should be the goal, and that's definitely what this move was.

6_Rings · Post #157 » by **6_Rings** » Mon Jul 7, 2008 1:05 am

Hey guys, you can finally use the monicker 'Swamp Dragons' for Yi, the 'Swamp Dragon'.

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #158 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 3:16 pm

http://www.brewhoop.com/2008/6/15/55210 ... sy-offseas

any idea how yi did against australia?

g77g77 · Post #159 » by **g77g77** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 6:22 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:http://www.brewhoop.com/2008/6/15/552102/yi-jianlian-s-busy-offseas

any idea how yi did against australia?

it is not against Australia national team, its against Aussie All Stars

1st game 22pts/8rebs

http://english.cri.cn/2886/2008/07/05/53s377261.htm

2nd game 17pts/14rebs

http://jronfire.blogspot.com/2008/07/ch ... l-all.html

BigWil17 · Post #160 » by **BigWil17** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:17 pm

Here's a 2003 article written on Yi. http://www.china.org.cn/english/2003/Sep/75681.htm

Yi Jianlian, the 2.11-meter young basketball player of the Guangdong Hongyuan team in CBA is in the limelight at the moment. When joining in basketball training camp in the US last month, he was interviewed by Time Magazine. Deemed as the successor of Yao Ming, Yi will probably start a new Chinese basketball fervor in NBA.

Besides the well-known Yao Ming, there are three other Chinese playing basketballs in NBA. They are vigorous Menk Bateer from San Antonio Spurs, Wang Zhizhi from Los Angeles Clippers and the 20-year-old Xue Yuyang, who has been selected by the Dallas Mavericks in the second round of the 2003 NBA draft. But Xue won't go to the NBA due to the disapproval of the General Administration of Sport. Afterwards, the player-seekers transfer their attention to the much younger players, such as 19-year-old Tang Zhengdong and 1.86-meter Chen Jiahua, 14, whose dunks look like the behavior of the Kongfu superstar Jet Li.

Nevertheless, all these young players are inferior to Yi Jianlian as the talent rookie is the favorite of more insiders...