Marcus Williams Traded To Golden State

[jerseyjac]

I love it. When you can turn a 3rd year PG with no defense and a non-existent NBA resume into a 1st rounder, you did well. I loved the M. Williams pick when it occurred, but he has shown to be unprofessional and unimportant in terms of the teams success. People always seem to be down on future picks but the actual worth of them is the same as current picks, you simply have to wait for them. We are rebuilding and stockpiling future assets is the way to go.

Agreed, but you don't think with the stockpile of bigs we currently have, you don't feel we should've at least packaged Marcus and one or two bigs for something better?

maybe thats all we could get....

[NetsForce]

I think Jaycee Carroll (sp?) is more or less guaranteed a camp invite, I'm not entirely sold on his ability to distribute the ball though. Since he'd be a third-stringer though I guess it wouldn't matter that much...

[SteveNets15]

I think Marcus is gonna have a break out year as a starter on GSW.With his passing ability and that uptempo offense (no defense) he's gonna fit right in. I think its a good trade for Marcus cuz he wasn't gonna get much playing time with us anyway plus he's from Cali. He's gonna have a good year i no it.

[jerseyjac]

I love it. When you can turn a 3rd year PG with no defense and a non-existent NBA resume into a 1st rounder, you did well. I loved the M. Williams pick when it occurred, but he has shown to be unprofessional and unimportant in terms of the teams success. People always seem to be down on future picks but the actual worth of them is the same as current picks, you simply have to wait for them. We are rebuilding and stockpiling future assets is the way to go.

Agreed, but you don't think with the stockpile of bigs we currently have, you don't feel we should've at least packaged Marcus and one or two bigs for something better?

maybe thats all we could get....

maybe there wasnt a package anyone was interested in...

[Twinkie defense]

No since draft picks don't have monetary value until you actually know what the actual pick is, do we get a TE for the amount of Marcus's contract?

Over the cap, right? So you should have a TPE for one year in the value of Williams' contract (~$1,262,520). Think you'll use it?

And if you don't think you got much for him... remember the same draft, Warriors took Patrick O'Bryant with #9. Never even got one second rounder for that.

Someone give me the quick +/- breakdown for this kid, guess he's my backup point now.

[Preludepunk27]

^^^ Doubt we'll use it. We can't package it with anything so we'll just let it expire.

[Serpo]

-6.6 he was our 2nd worst player in regards of +/-

With him on the court our defense was at 117.5 Points per 100 Possesions with him off the court it was at 108.5 Per 100 Possesions .

[jvcn15]

^^ I think he meant positives/negatives not really +/- specifically...in any case:

Positives: Very good vision and good passer, decent ball handling skills, decent shot (still not very consistent) that extends to 3 point line, good size for a point and takes contact fairly well on layups

Negatives: Terrible defensively, tries to force plays leading to bad turnovers, conditioning has been poor thus far, can overdribble especially in halfcourt, lacks intensity and hustle, and did I mention terrible defensively?

Did I miss anything?

[deviljets7]

^^ I think he meant positives/negatives not really +/- specifically...in any case:

Positives: Very good vision and good passer, decent ball handling skills, decent shot (still not very consistent) that extends to 3 point line, good size for a point and takes contact fairly well on layups

Negatives: Terrible defensively, tries to force plays leading to bad turnovers, conditioning has been poor thus far, can overdribble especially in halfcourt, lacks intensity and hustle, and did I mention terrible defensively?

Did I miss anything?

Far too often he seemed to be a chucker, but that might have also been a product of a dreadful second team he was often playing with.

[Twinkie defense]

Well we just lost one chucker so I guess we have room for another.

[Stone]

We had too many guys and somebody had to go and I'm glad its Marcus. How a second year guy could not be in top shape is unexcusable. He was slow as molassus and didn't work hard enough.

[mack69]

He is not going to hit the hole like Baron he is more apt to stay on the perimeter and sometimes make tricky passes which cannot be made on the pro-level.

Honestly, with his conditioning in question this off-season he worked very hard and you may have a good prospect on your hands.

I wish him well!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rich Rane]

Agreed, but you don't think with the stockpile of bigs we currently have, you don't feel we should've at least packaged Marcus and one or two bigs for something better?

maybe thats all we could get....

maybe there wasnt a package anyone was interested in...

Then should we really have made the trade? With our thin backcourt, we made it smaller for the asset of what could be two second round draft picks in 2013. I think Marcus has been working on his conditioning this offseason and could've done well backing up Harris as Keyon could've played more behind Carter. Then we could've traded him for something better.

I'm not mad on trading him. It's just the conditions of the pick. The highest this pick could be is number 11.

[Serpo]

My personal opinion is there's still something incoming that made this move neccessary . Similar to the move the Sixers made before signing Elton Brand ( even though what we'll do will probably not that big ) when they shipped out Carney , Booth and a 1st to Clear some Capspace.

[mack69]

My personal opinion is there's still something incoming that made this move neccessary . Similar to the move the Sixers made before signing Elton Brand ( even though what we'll do will probably not that big ) when they shipped out Carney , Booth and a 1st to Clear some Capspace.

I agree I think there is something else is up! I dont think it is for a front court player. The next two years are for Yi and Lopez development. Which will be your 4 and 5 for the next 5 to 7 years. Harris is your 1 and in 2010 you should have your 3. The only question who will be your 2 for the future.

Here are my 2 choices:

JR Smith or Ben Gordon. Although they are RFA, Kiki can get something done!!!!!!!!!

[Preludepunk27]

If we got Ben on the cheap, I'd get him. A long term deal that doesn't cut too much into the space for Lebron. Of course I think we we go after any 2 or 3 guard of the future, it means Vince is getting shipped out at somepoint within the next 2 seasons for an expiring to get the cap space we need for summer 2010 back ya know? I'd rather do a S&T for Josh Smith this offseason, trade vince to a contender at the deadline during the 2009/2010 season for an expiring and build around Harris/Lebron/Smith/Yi/Lopez for the next 5-6 years.

[mack69]

If we got Ben on the cheap, I'd get him. A long term deal that doesn't cut too much into the space for Lebron. Of course I think we we go after any 2 or 3 guard of the future, it means Vince is getting shipped out at somepoint within the next 2 seasons for an expiring to get the cap space we need for summer 2010 back ya know? I'd rather do a S&T for Josh Smith this offseason, trade vince to a contender at the deadline during the 2009/2010 season for an expiring and build around Harris/Lebron/Smith/Yi/Lopez for the next 5-6 years.

A 250lb 2 guard!!!!!!!!! C'mon prelude your better than that!!!! Have you watched the Phoenix moves they are trying to add defensive pieces. I think Barbosa can be had!!!!!!!

[Preludepunk27]

Haha watch Lebron. He plays whatever position he wants whenever he wants. He can play the 2.

Barbosa is no 2 guard of the future though. I'd rather have Ben Gordon over him.

[jerseyjac]

Then should we really have made the trade? With our thin backcourt, we made it smaller for the asset of what could be two second round draft picks in 2013. I think Marcus has been working on his conditioning this offseason and could've done well backing up Harris as Keyon could've played more behind Carter. Then we could've traded him for something better.

I'm not mad on trading him. It's just the conditions of the pick. The highest this pick could be is number 11.

I'm not really worried about our thin backcourt...I hope CDR gets to contribute, who in fact might be a better overall player than Marcus...Devin should be avging around 38min/gm...then you have Dooling of course...with Vince probably switching over possibly...

As far as the pick...unlikely we get a # 11, but if it does, that would be great...hey, I thought Marcus would of turned out better or differently...but I'm more excited about not watching his growing pains in our system...I hope he succeeds elsewhere...and I wouldnt be surprised if he did in GS...the kid can pass and has some good vision...at this point w. Harris, he's really not needed...

[Rich Rane]

I'm not really worried about our thin backcourt...I hope CDR gets to contribute, who in fact might be a better overall player than Marcus...Devin should be avging around 38min/gm...then you have Dooling of course...with Vince probably switching over possibly...

As far as the pick...unlikely we get a # 11, but if it does, that would be great...hey, I thought Marcus would of turned out better or differently...but I'm more excited about not watching his growing pains in our system...I hope he succeeds elsewhere...and I wouldnt be surprised if he did in GS...the kid can pass and has some good vision...at this point w. Harris, he's really not needed...

This is where I'm really a bit worried most from this trade (along with several of our other moves). Keyon will be playing more at the 1 with an average playmaking ability and court vision. CDR will be behind Hayes at the 2 (along with Dooling) when I don't even believe CDR should be playing there. I feel he doesn't have the ball handling nor the range to consistently play there. With the addition of Najera, I feel playing at the 2 will be CDR's only option with our many assortments of 3s and slowing his progress as a bright young talent.

If Frank feels we're thin at the 1, which I'm willing to bet he will this season, we're going to be letting VC run the offense. Yes, VC is an above average playmaker for a 2, but I think he's much better as the first scoring option rather than looking for other scoring options first.