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Post#1281 » by Sedale Threatt » Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:21 pm

dcash4 wrote:i'll be there 10 days, 4 in london, 6 in paris. not too long but you gotta take what u can get.

the dark knight in 1.5 hrs. already the 5th highest pre-sale numbers ever :D


Just got back from a matinee...being a huge nerd and reformed comic book junkie, I had to check it out on the first day.

I must say, I found myself marveling over what an amazing film it was during the first two acts, then wondering what the hell happened over the final third as all the momentum/energy that had built up was sucked out of the theater. Nolan simply jammed too much stuff into it.

I really have to wonder why so many modern film makers are so indulgent in terms of film length. Pare about 20 or 30 minutes from this film, and you have a virtual masterpiece. After the first showdown between Batman and the Joker (all the hype on Ledger is very well deserved, IMO; he makes Nicholson's take seem like a harmless cartoon character), you could just feel the audience on the edge of its collective seat.

Then you have a hostage scheme, then another, and a major villain's entire character arc jammed into a 40-minute span, and that same audience was checking its watches.

All in all, a very, entertaining movie that was well worth the time/money. But it could have been almost perfect with just a bit more restraint.
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Post#1282 » by milesfides » Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:54 am

Filmmakers are exactly that: self-indulgent. I think studios and theaters would love it if films were closer to the 90-min mark to maximize showings and profits. Many critics bemoan films that drag too long.

On the other hand, you have directors who complain about over-editing and push for the director's cut on DVD.

How did this compare to the first? I was disappointed in the first film, except for that scene where he enters the batcave and is caught up in a whirlwind of bats, the ecstasy of saint bruce. Somehow, all of Nolan's film lack something.

He's got the neurotic, psychological tension down, but he lacks something, he lacks soul.

Bale's an excellent actor, but Batman Begins fell flat in terms of character development/emotional payoff.

Just wasn't as rewarding as Spiderman 2.

But I've got high hopes for this one.
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Post#1283 » by Sedale Threatt » Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:22 am

There really isn't any comparison between the first two, in my opinion. And I thought the first one, albeit a bit drab, was pretty good. This one doesn't have the same restraints regarding the necessary origin story; it just drops right in without a parachute. It's kind of ironic, though, that it suffers from the exact opposite problem as the first -- too much action, as opposed to too little.

I can see what you mean about Nolan; there's definitely something clinical and overwrought about his work. I remember all the guys in my poker game raving about "Memento"; I didn't get it, and I don't mean the excessively complicated plot. I just didn't see what the big deal is.

He is, however, a very meticulous director, and he has gathered an extremely talented team around him. For the most part I think he's done a wonderful job rebooting this franchise, especially with the grim, gritty tone. You really feel the weight of urban decay in this movie, the impossible task at hand of cleaning out the rot of decades of corruption and crime in a city that's on the verge of imploding.

I thought he did a good job of building the film around modern issues in that regard without pandering to the audience. And the Joker...wow. He and Ledger are absolutely spot-on with the direction they took him. Too bad we won't get to see Heath reprise the role.

In the end, Nolan reminds me of Spike Lee -- his movies are invariably flawed in one way or another, but you have to admire that he always swings for the fences. (This is an infinitely more ambitious film than Iron Man, or anything in the Spider Man and X-Men series.) All he needed here was a more discerning eye in the editing room.
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Post#1284 » by milesfides » Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:12 am

Memento was impressive. It was executed really well. It was also original (to me, and probably to most mainstream audiences), although some have noted a few other films that used the same concept.

I would agree with what ST said - Nolan is very meticulous. Most of his films that I've seen have been well-crafted, including his first film, The Following, which was otherwise incredibly boring to me. Batman Begins was oddly edited though - the transitions are too abrupt to build tension, and there were too many subplots to set up a major conflict with a satisfactory payoff. Joe Chill, Ras al Ghoul, Scarecrow, the mobsters - too many villains can be distracting, like Spiderman 3.

I've been most impressed with The Prestige - I think that was his best, complete film, and I think it's the most obvious and direct representation of Nolan's strength as a director: the madness of obsession.

There's a certain ruthlessness to his work. Nolan has a fetish for characters who are obsessed, to the point of madness:

The Following- a protagonist is obsessed with stalking strangers
Memento, Pearce's obsessed with revenge
Insomnia, Pacino's obsessed with guilt
Prestige, characters are obsessed with mastery
Batman Begins, Bale is obsessed with justice (possibly guilt)

It's certainly interesting, but there's something cold about his films. These are madmen. If Kobe Bryant needed somebody to make his biopic, he should call Nolan.

Still, some of his films could have used a little more emotional development. His characters are usually flat, because they merely serve as vehicles for Nolan's obsession with obsession.

It almost makes him a misogynist. There are no romances or other meaningful relationships in his stories. They're always indirect, off-screen, or implied. Or simply avoided. He's completely disinterested in developing that aspect of the story, which is why his films all revolve around loners who do little more than pursue their obsessions.

One thing that really disappointed me about Batman Begins is Bruce Wayne's motivations weren't convincing enough. He begins the movie as an obsessed vigilante. When he's with The Secret League of Ninjas at the beginning of the movie, he's already Batman without the suit. Nolan shows that he's sad for his parents as a kid (impassive of course), but he's a ninja before we see him descend into the madness that creates Batman. For an origins movie, I thought Batman Begins should have let us in on the rich emotional undercurrent of the comics. Batman Year One, The Dark Knight Returns, these are graphic novels that make some literature lists, and both depict Bruce Wayne's transformation into the Batman much more convincingly.

In this new film, I just hope Nolan makes Batman a little more human, a little more accessible. After all, that's a major difference between him and the Man of Steel. Batman is flesh and bones, and like the rest of us, he can bleed. He can feel too, or so one would expect.

Hopefully I can feel too, when I go see this thing tomorrow.
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Post#1285 » by ChocolateThundr » Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:51 am

"In this new film, I just hope Nolan makes Batman a little more human, a little more accessible. After all, that's a major difference between him and the Man of Steel. Batman is flesh and bones, and like the rest of us, he can bleed. He can feel too, or so one would expect.

Hopefully I can feel too, when I go see this thing tomorrow."

I think you will be plesantly surprised when you see this tomorrow. I saw the premier last night, and IMO the focus of this film is not entirely on batman as it was in the first movie. This movie is very philoshophical and thought provoking and stimulating. Im still thinking about the themes that this movie conveys.
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Post#1286 » by Erik Eleven » Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:26 pm

Miles,

How do I best get from Port Authority, NY to Tarrytown? Can't find any shuttles or busses. Also don't want to get lost in Harlem on the subway/metro... Taking a bus from Cape Cod to NYC tomorrow. Have to be in Tarrytown by 3:30 PM. Any local tricks/tips you might know of?

EDIT: I'll send you a PM with my phone number, if you want to call. I lost your number.
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Post#1287 » by milesfides » Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:10 pm

Erik Eleven wrote:Miles,

How do I best get from Port Authority, NY to Tarrytown? Can't find any shuttles or busses. Also don't want to get lost in Harlem on the subway/metro... Taking a bus from Cape Cod to NYC tomorrow. Have to be in Tarrytown by 3:30 PM. Any local tricks/tips you might know of?

EDIT: I'll send you a PM with my phone number, if you want to call. I lost your number.


Sure, check PM.
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Post#1288 » by hermes » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:04 am

just got back from the Dark Knight

it was awesome


thats all
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Post#1289 » by DoctaJ » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:18 am

Going tomorrow to check out Dark Knight. Surprised it's taking me until tomorrow to go watch it, lol.

On another note, I rented Glory Road again, today. What an amazing movie.
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Post#1290 » by Erik Eleven » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:58 am

Miles, you're a frickin' superstar. Thanks again, man. I really appreciate it. My last vacation day with the fam just got a whole lot better. I had a "falling down" day until you saved me a whole lot of worries and about two hours of BS unnecessary travels in unknown territory. Thanks, bud!
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Post#1291 » by milesfides » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:14 am

Haha, don't mention it, aint no thing. Let me know if you run into any problems. Otherwise, have a good time bro, you deserve a break more than anybody I know, except probably me.

I loved that movie, Falling Down. It was more effective than Batman Begins.
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Post#1292 » by kno » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:54 am

While we're on teh topic, check out this soung.

Production is absolutely nuts. Portrays what the song is about. Production is by Kno (of cunninlynguists).

He said the song is loosely based on the film.

Listen to the song here, and follow with the lyrics. Not their typical subject matter, but the song is amazing nonetheless.

Cunninlynguists - Falling Down
http://youtube.com/watch?v=H_NQji7J1Rs
http://www.actionext.com/names_c/cunnin ... _down.html
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Post#1293 » by milesfides » Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:55 pm

^If Michael Douglas could spit and rhyme, that's probably exactly what it would sound like
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Post#1294 » by tkb » Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:31 pm

Liked the song Kno.
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Post#1295 » by Danny Darko » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:17 pm

I'm gonna have to say that the location based effects and scenes of Batman were still wayyy better than cgi. I thought both ironman and hulk had good cgi, but the effects in Batman were way cooler.

The lameness: Bales Batman voice(cheeseball) & no more Ledger to follow to make guest appearances in any other movie.

Kno-I liked the song, sounds very east coast to me in production. Where are they from?
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Post#1296 » by hermes » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:31 pm

i'm with you on that CC, Bale's voice when he's batman is just weird
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Post#1297 » by kno » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:40 pm

Corvus Crow wrote:I

Kno-I liked the song, sounds very east coast to me in production. Where are they from?


Theyre actually from Kentucky/Georgia.
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Post#1298 » by CITYOFANGELSX3 » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:59 pm

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/3853 ... db5co0.gif

I cant post the image. Something is wrong. Anyway take a look at tell me what Kobe's doing here?
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Post#1299 » by hermes » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:05 pm

taking out his frustrations on an inanimate object...............i mean vlad
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Post#1300 » by Sedale Threatt » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:11 pm

If only he had a knife, and was aiming higher...

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