Official Trade Thread (all trade ideas here. No exceptions)

[That Nicka]

Now that Artest is gone, I think I'm getting a clearer picture of Odom's future. He's going to expire. The Lakers will lowball him, he'll take a bigger offer elsewhere.

The arrival of Gasol essentially replaced Odom basketball-wise. Bynum's extension will replace Odom's salary - conveniently at the same time. Anybody thinking that the Lakers will simply add add add hasn't been paying attention this summer.

Odom's days are numbered. There's no way the Lakers will give a 10m+ contract (and the accompanying luxury tax of course) for a 4th option, at our deepest position to boot (Ariza, Walton, Radamnovic, Kobe), for his 12 points and 7 rebounds.

I held out hope, but based on how this summer went, including the deals and the lack of deals, the existing reports, and Mitch's own comments, it's clear to me there's little chance Odom stays on the Lakers.

It. Aint. Gonna. Happen.

He probably won't get traded for a similarly talented, high-paid player either.

The only positive scenarios?

1. helping us win a ring this year and walking
2. getting traded for tax-friendly assets

MILES! This is what I have been saying all summer!! Thats why I was so disappointed to see Ronny go.. No way Lamar gets an extension from us... I think he will put up something like 13 and 8 at SF this year.. That can easily be replaced by Trevor/Luke... Its similar to when we won the first ship with Glen Rice.. Sure his 15 ppg was nice, but we could get that + defense from Fox/George

Here is a deal that, I think, would solve 2 problems in 1:

Lamar Odom and Vladimir Radmanovic for David Lee and Stephon Marbury (waive)

We get a 22 mil expiring that will help re-sign Bynum and Ariza, and we also get a backup PF... We have two solid players at every position and our only really overpaid player is Luke who has shown he can be productive when healthy.. Lee can give us between 8/8 and 10/10 off the bench... We get max production from our Sf spot by only having 2 players there

Fisher/Farmar
Kobe/Sasha
Ariza/Luke
Gasol/Lee
Bynum/Mihm

What do you think?

[milesfides]

I think the Knicks will target the 2010 FA market to target Lebron James. Based on Donnie Walsch's comments, I think that's the plan.

Stephon Marbury is an expiring contract, so while I do think the Knicks want to get rid of him, for many reasons, the incentive to get Odom (expiring) and Radmanovic (long contract w/ player option at 2011) just isn't there, imo.

I would love to get David Lee, but the Knicks have such few assets, he's pretty valuable. I think the Knicks are open to trading him, but only if they could piggyback a bad contract like Curry, Zach, or even Crawford or Jeffries.

I think the gameplan is for D'Antoni to get the Knicks playing fun basketball, to get the fans back into it, but anybody involved in the Knicks would have to be delusional to believe that the existing roster could compete, or be traded for players that compete.

They need an act of God, or almost as good, an external addition such as Lebron signing as a free agent.

[That Nicka]

Yeah, I could see that last year on Radman holding it up too... But we all know Lamar would be at his best in a system like D'Antonis... And his system needs shooters so Radman could help too imo... However I think they would have to dump Randolph somewhere before they did this, cuz I dunno that there would be enough pt between Curry, Randolph and LO

[milesfides]

TKB, I think Odom would be a good fit for Houston as well. But we'd help ourselves as well with Battier, especially if we get Scola (backup big man) - who pretty much has to be added (including Francis) to make the deal work. It's either Scola or Alston, and I'm guessing Houston would rather have Odom replace Scola at PF than give up their starting PG.

As far as helping a conference rival, I kinda could care less, as long as it improves our team, which I think is close to becoming one of the all-time great teams, knock on wood.

If we get Battier and Bynum comes back, we'll be among the league's best defensive teams as well. As much as I like and respect Odom, he's nowhere Battier's class in positional defense.

I'll take my chances with putting together a logical, coherent squad, with the game's best player, a top 5 center, a top 5 PF, and an elite defensive, good-shooting SF...

Getting Battier helps us far more than us keeping Odom, because it both addresses a serious weakness in our defense (ahem Radmanovic) and preserves the offensive spacing required for our offense. He's nowhere as talented as Odom, but he fits team needs.

Odom helps the Rockets more too, but it doesn't bother me much because Gasol will still outplay him, I think Bynum can play Yao evenly (virtually identical in PER), I'll take my chances with the Artest/Battier matchup, and I love the Kobe/tmac matchup. It'd be a fun series.

More importantly, we'll be better equipped to match up against Boston.

Still, this is just purely hypothetical, I'm convinced the Lakers aren't interested in trading Odom, unless it's for picks and other tax-friendly assets. His expiration buys Bynum's extension.

[That Nicka]

Browsing the Houston boards it doesnt seem like they like the idea of trading Battier at all... Even if it was for an upgrade at PG or PF... There main reason being if Artest walks after the season... I, for one, would love to have Shane though.. And Scola for that matter

[lloydx4]

lamar for tayshuan prince, who is known as the 'kobe stopper'. its a reasonable trade consiering detroit is in need of changes, we need that defensive stance that prince gives.

[lakeshow248]

Just a few more thoughts on Josh Powell being wavied by the Clippers--he looks to be perfect Ronie replacement for cheap you would think.

Here are the numbers last yrs Josh vs. Ronie...

Josh Powell 6-9, 240, 25 yrs old-- 19.2 min, 46.0 fg%, 72.4 ft%, 5.2 reb, .36 blks, 5.5 pts

Ronie Turiaf 6-10, 250, 25 yrs old--18.7 min, 47.4 fg%, 75.3 ft%, 3.9 reb, 1.4 blks, 6.6 pts.....

Very close numbers, and if you could get Powell for Benga type money I think you gotta take Powell IMO. Ronie slightly better in all aspects except reb.... I just think Powell's youth and energy is a nice add, to bad Mitch is on vacation......

[That Nicka]

I would definitely give Powell a shot... He doesnt block as many shots as Ronny but he rebounds better... I went to a few Clippers games this year and he seemed garbage, but for minimum and for the spot minutes he would be playing, you cant really lose

I would still like to swap Radman for Reggie Evans... I wonder if thats even on the radar

And lloydx4... I think the most likely deal with Detroit would be Prince and McDyess for Odom and Ariza... But I dunno if Buss would do this because we would have 3 SFs making 22 mil a year (Prince 10, Luke 6, Vlad 6) and we'd also have a PF rotation making 22 mil (Pau 15, McDyess 7)... I would do it, but thats so much money...

[daddyfivestar]

CHI/SAC/Lakers

Chicago gets Brad Miller, Odom, Farmar
gives Gooden, Nocioni, Hinrich

Kings get Nocioni
give Miller

Lakers get Hinrich, Gooden
give Odom, Farmar

CHI saves long term money, gets a true backup point for DRose, Odom & Miller front line gives them better win now potential than Noah & Gooden, Deng's contract makes Nocioni obsolete, with Odom and Thabo getting SF minutes.

SAC saves 8.2 million over the next 2 years in contract reduction from Miller to Nocioni. Noci moves into SF starter slot while they groom Donte Green who is only 20. Year 5 is team option so he is movable expiring in 3 yrs probably when Green is ready. Garcia is a nice backup and can be packaged for value if need be.

LAL upgrades backcourt for title run now and over next three years. Gooden will replace Odoms rebounding and is a better suited PF off the bench than Odom. Assuming Odom walks for nothing LA can let Gooden walk too, or offer him an MLE level deal next year - much more affordable than Odom would ever be. Farmar is pending an extension after next year so paying Hinrich's declining contract is not too much of a financial increase.

edit - and full reigns of the SF are handed to Ariza, with Vlad as the backup.

edit2 - wow. looked at the #s for next 3 yrs on a deal like this... 82mil this year, 86 the next with Ariza on a Sasha like deal, with Bynum 11mil, and only 9 players, and 86 the next for only 8 players..... not gonna happen.

[daddyfivestar]

lamar for tayshuan prince, who is known as the 'kobe stopper'. its a reasonable trade consiering detroit is in need of changes, we need that defensive stance that prince gives.

I thought Ruben Patterson was the self-proclaimed 'kobe stopper' ?

[tracey_nice]

I want the Lakers to try to work-out a trade to Houston to get either Battier or Artest, preferably Artest.

[TNBT]

Would you guys be interested in a deal for Lamar Odom where you get back a re-signed Ben Gordon, Drew Gooden, Aaron Gray and future considerations? I don't know whether or not I would do this deal myself, but is being talked about on the Bulls board so I thought it would be interesting to ask you guys.

[dockingsched]

the lakers would have zero interest in taking on ben gordon and his new contract unless its for walton/radmanovic. not one or the other, both.

[SportsFan215]

Lakers Get: Turkoglu/Gooden
Lakers Give: Odom

Bulls Get: Reddick/Battie
Bulls Give: Gooden/Simmons

Magic Get: Odom/Simmons
Magic Give: Turkoglu/Reddick/Battie

[Asianiac_24]

Lakers Get: Turkoglu/Gooden
Lakers Give: Odom

Bulls Get: Reddick/Battie
Bulls Give: Gooden/Simmons

Magic Get: Odom/Simmons
Magic Give: Turkoglu/Reddick/Battie

great for LA, Magic..maybe, Bulls get raped

[lakeshow248]

3 yrs plan that would almost ship two titles to LA......

It involves trading Odom, luke and Yue to NJ for Vince Carter and Sean Williams........

The whys-- Vince could be the off the dribble scorer that the Lakers' need to reach their goal, Vince avg like 15 a game would be really big. A natural sf that can get to FT line and be the guy that takes all the to the hoop pressure off Kobe.

The why's for NJ , they get a home town boy in Lamar w/ a big 14.5 million contract that is coming off the books following nxt season that co-insides w/ their run at Lebron w/ the Brooklyn and Jay Z group in 2010....they would take on Luke as a smaller type contract that would still save them 10 million on avg.......

Now the numbers on the cap would be virtually the same as this yrs for the Lakers which is a plus plus. The following yrs would be different of course as they would have to resign Bynum at what I project is a number between 8 and 12 million a yrs that is big: however, Mihm and Ariza would be gone at a savings of 5.5 million which supplements the cap a little but that cash would just cover the raises of Kobe, Gasol and VInce which is generally like 1 million each as the contract gets pushed up. That being said Kobe could renegotiate a deal that is a long term deal that gives him a greater length of a deal and a smaller salary per yrs but none the less make the same. If not the cap would reach to around 85 million w/ fish, kobe, andrew, pau, vince, sasha, farmar, s williams, vlad and then the remaining spots filled by min level guys.... for a total of around 90 million or just under...which is a one yrs shot at another title if they see that the Vince project has worked out and barring they can't find any takers for vlad......Just a one yrs hit folks of 90....

Then the last yrs of the three is the key..... Fish's deal would be up at 5 million, and Kobe, Vince and Pau all would be on final yrs of contracts and Vlad in his player opt last yrs....So much flexibilty that could save any lost dollars to the cap from the previous yrs. Only players under contract for following yrs would be Bynum, Farmar, Sasha, Vlad and Sean Williams and a ton of cap space. Lakers could deal w/ strength of cap freedom w/ Vince and keep Kobe and PAU.

I think this plan is a risk-reward that would land the Lakers 2 titles at least and give them a ton of opitions to recoupe any cash that they lost in pushing over the cap in second and third yrs....
Just think of a starting 5 that would bring in the first yrs together... Fish,Kobe,Bynum,Gasol and Vince Carter.......

on the bench--Farmar, Sasha, S Williams, Vlad, Ariza and Mihm and Benga w/ maybe Mitchell and Crawford/ Karl.

In yrs two a thiner bench but Kobe and his extension would go a long way and Bynum maybe starting at a lower salary of say 8 million would be a great advantage and of course a taker for Vlad some how would be looked into.

But at it's core would still have Farmar, Kobe, Bynum, Gasol and Vince... w/ Fish, S williams, Vlad and Sasha w/ filler to fill out rest of the 3 bench spots ...

Year three pending would give them ultimate flex w/ PAU, Kobe and Vince in last yrs and D fish deal gone plus Vlads player opt that could be bought out at reduced rate......

In essence if you look into 3 yrs of being over the cap w/ Vince they will win it all and in the 3rd yrs have opitons to go way below the cap by trade or wait till 4th yrs and have three exp contracts that would total almost 60 million. I think it is a win, win for the Busses' and LAkers fans....

[That Nicka]

lol

[Kobay]

I think the only available trade that is reasonable for us is

Odom + mihm for Tayshawn and McDyesse. It gives us defense, great championship role player, great back up PF with experience. Mcdyesse is an expiring as well, perfect if Buss is really a cheap arss.

[lakeshow248]

Vince Carter 21.3 ppg, 6 reb 5 ast last yrs lol..........put him on a team w/ Leaders like Kobe and Fish getting on him and combine his unselfishness to Andrew and Pau and you could see him get to the line and make 81 percent of fts and in a real market toss in a few nice dunks because he would be rejuvanated in tinsletown.....

Think about the Lakers didn't have the second off the dribble presence that is needed to attack a team such as Boston and Vince would fit that too a tee.......

[lakeshow248]

I like the Odom and Mihm for Prince and Mcdyess but I'm not sure they trade two starters for Odom but If they are looking to get Maxiell and stuckey a bigger role it is a maybe at best....

For me Rip Hamilton would be the Piston I covet the most, he is just an offensive machine, maybe most underrated player in the league--he is a master at the two point jumper and getting open. Not to mention his defence on PP last yrs was very solid. That being said Prince couldn't make a shot in that series which soures me on him some what. Prince is very similar to Odom but w/ less weight....Prince has two moves the back dwn hook shot and the three pointer and that's it.

Fish, Kobe, Bynum, Gasol and Rip be amazing

Fish,Kobe, Bynum, Gasol and Ty prince interesting put Ty's offence would be very key as teams wouldn't guard him making others beat them.