Would you rather..

Ballings7 · Post #41 » by **Ballings7** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:31 pm

When right, Kenny doesn't suck. Which means, getting decent or better minutes, healthy, maybe at times starting.

We've all seen it enough, especially if you've noticed and take into account the things Kenny does that just don't show up in the stat-sheet (which is like half of his game). On the first, it just has not been most recently because of the situation of the team, and he's had 1 or 2 injuries.

Also to be fair, it really hasn't helped collectively over his time here (excluding the time when Ron came to the team, where it was pretty strong, and KT a key part of that), that he's been on an inconsistent at best, and relatively below-average defensive team. Specifically on that, with a lack of at least one consistent, notable defensive presence at PF/C, so his lack of size as a PF, naturally got exposed too often.

Like I said in the past, none of the big men we had complemented each other enough. They did somewhat, in one area, partially - but just not enough to make for a compatabible, solid PF/C group.

Post #42 » by **pillwenney** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:07 pm

Dustin5566 wrote:
tru6playa wrote:I'll start a new question:

Would you rather have Olden Polynice or Kenny Thomas rotting on our bench (same contract as Kenny)?

O.P.. the thing about Kenny that irks me is that sour face he always has...It's like he thinks he should start even though he sucks... I just hate him...

Next Question.. Who would you rather come back as a coach, Chris Webber or Vlade Divac?

Hmm....that's a tough one. A really tough one. It's especially tough because I think that Chris would be better for Jason and Vlade would be better for Spencer. I say this because Chris had the much better face-up game between the two, and that looks like it will be Jason's main weapon. Vlade however, was a bit more skilled in the post (although not necessarily better over all), and I think that would be more useful for Spencer.

Man, this is a tough one, and I'd be absolutely thrilled with either, but I think I'd have to give a very, very slight edge to Vlade.

What do you expect out of Bobby Brown this year?

mobiuseinz · Post #43 » by **mobiuseinz** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:34 pm

mitchweber wrote:
Hmm....that's a tough one. A really tough one. It's especially tough because I think that Chris would be better for Jason and Vlade would be better for Spencer. I say this because Chris had the much better face-up game between the two, and that looks like it will be Jason's main weapon. Vlade however, was a bit more skilled in the post (although not necessarily better over all), and I think that would be more useful for Spencer.

Man, this is a tough one, and I'd be absolutely thrilled with either, but I think I'd have to give a very, very slight edge to Vlade.

What do you expect out of Bobby Brown this year?

To beat Houston all three times

Question: Do you think Jason and Spencer can become a twin tower type of threat?

deNIEd · Post #44 » by **deNIEd** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:21 pm

No I don't. I don't see them being good enough. I hope that I'm wrong, I pray that I'm wrong. But I doubt it. I seriously do.

Question: Back in 06, when Shaq got traded, some people were saying bring Shaq to Sac.
Looking back, would you have brought Shaq, Shaq of all people, to Sacramento, if it meant, 1 ring, 1 decent year, and 1 pathetic bottom (3-4) year.

*King's would not have tanked like Miami so we wouldn't have gotten the 1st pick...or 2nd pick for that matter*

*OT Mitch/KIE could we have an OT political thread?

Post #45 » by **KF10** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:32 pm

deNIEd wrote:No I don't. I don't see them being good enough. I hope that I'm wrong, I pray that I'm wrong. But I doubt it. I seriously do.

Question: Back in 06, when Shaq got traded, some people were saying bring Shaq to Sac.
Looking back, would you have brought Shaq, Shaq of all people, to Sacramento, if it meant, 1 ring, 1 decent year, and 1 pathetic bottom (3-4) year.

*King's would not have tanked like Miami so we wouldn't have gotten the 1st pick...or 2nd pick for that matter*

*OT Mitch/KIE could we have an OT political thread?

I thought Shaq was traded to the Heats in 2004? But he had the contract extension around 2005. But yeah, well, it depends. IIRC Miami have to give up like Odom/Butler/Grant and future pick for Shaq. Assuming that we are talking about 2004. We have to give up some type of value like Peja (Even though, he was an MVP caliber player) or a young talent (Wallace) I don't know. We were coming from a 55 win season. But if it guarantees of a ring, yes, I would bring Shaq in Sacramento. Even though, I dislike him.

Question: In the incoming season, are we going to face a major win drop off? Or we still going to win around mid-30ish range games?

mobiuseinz · Post #46 » by **mobiuseinz** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:28 pm

I'm sad no one got my bobby beating houston joke...

OGSactownballer · Post #47 » by **OGSactownballer** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:37 am

I got it

! Anyway, i think that this season will go one of two ways.

If we come out of the gate hell bent for leather and rip off at least a .600 record in the first - oh I was going to say month - TWO months, then I think we will end up at least .500 and possibly in the playoff chase. Personally, I do NOT want this as it leads to furthering of mediocrity for SEVERAL years (although I could also be entirely wrong and it would give a great building foundation).

If we come out of the gate and get our rear ends handed to us by teams like Minnesota, we are going to see a HUGE drop in win total (down into the 20-25 range would be my guess) and a high lotto pick that comes with it.

So if we DO somehow make at least .500 and even maybe sneak in to the playoffs, does Reggie get coach of the year and Geoff make Executive of the year?

Dustin5566 · Post #48 » by **Dustin5566** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:57 am

OGSactownballer wrote:I got it ! Anyway, i think that this season will go one of two ways.

If we come out of the gate hell bent for leather and rip off at least a .600 record in the first - oh I was going to say month - TWO months, then I think we will end up at least .500 and possibly in the playoff chase. Personally, I do NOT want this as it leads to furthering of mediocrity for SEVERAL years (although I could also be entirely wrong and it would give a great building foundation).

If we come out of the gate and get our rear ends handed to us by teams like Minnesota, we are going to see a HUGE drop in win total (down into the 20-25 range would be my guess) and a high lotto pick that comes with it.

So if we DO somehow make at least .500 and even maybe sneak in to the playoffs, does Reggie get coach of the year and Geoff make Executive of the year?

No we would need a much better record than .500 to get them their awards...

Would you rather have Kevin Martin at 55 million or Andre Iguodala at 80 million?

Post #49 » by **KF10** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:03 am

Dustin5566 wrote:
OGSactownballer wrote:I got it ! Anyway, i think that this season will go one of two ways.

If we come out of the gate hell bent for leather and rip off at least a .600 record in the first - oh I was going to say month - TWO months, then I think we will end up at least .500 and possibly in the playoff chase. Personally, I do NOT want this as it leads to furthering of mediocrity for SEVERAL years (although I could also be entirely wrong and it would give a great building foundation).

If we come out of the gate and get our rear ends handed to us by teams like Minnesota, we are going to see a HUGE drop in win total (down into the 20-25 range would be my guess) and a high lotto pick that comes with it.

So if we DO somehow make at least .500 and even maybe sneak in to the playoffs, does Reggie get coach of the year and Geoff make Executive of the year?

No we would need a much better record than .500 to get them their awards...

Would you rather have Kevin Martin at 55 million or Andre Iguodala at 80 million?

Easily, Martin's deal. Perhaps the best deal from the 2004 draft players. IMO his contract is a bargain. If we have waited a year to negotiation begins, he would easily demanded another year of his contract and probably getting Deng's money.

Question: Kevin Martin in the top 5 in scoring? And get a All Star birth?

King Baller · Post #50 » by **King Baller** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:58 am

Yes, I can see K Mart as an All Star. Probaly a coaches addition due to his efficient scoring. And yes top 5 is doable.

If Miller is gone, which player grabs the most rebounds?

KB

Dustin5566 · Post #51 » by **Dustin5566** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:17 am

King Baller wrote:Yes, I can see K Mart as an All Star. Probaly a coaches addition due to his efficient scoring. And yes top 5 is doable.

If Miller is gone, which player grabs the most rebounds?

KB

Moore because he is more aggressive on the boards than Spencer!

Do you think their will be significant progress for a new arena before the next off-season?

OGSactownballer · Post #52 » by **OGSactownballer** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:11 am

I think that very quietly there already is. David Stern does NOT want this team leaving Sac, and he has pushed hard in the right places to get something done here. he doesn't want the Magoofs to have ANY excuses to take the team to Vegas - a true nightmarish thought.

Who do you see Francisco as being most comparable to - past or present?

Smills91 · Post #53 » by **Smills91** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:23 am

Doug Christie

WHo will make their first all-star game appearance this year?

Dustin5566 · Post #54 » by **Dustin5566** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:04 pm

WHo will make their first all-star game appearance this year?

Deron Williams

would you rather have a great inside game or a great outside game.

Ballings7 · Post #55 » by **Ballings7** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:27 pm

Great inside game, definitely.

Will we beat Washington or Miami this season at all?

mobiuseinz · Post #56 » by **mobiuseinz** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:18 pm

Ballings7 wrote:Great inside game, definitely.

Will we beat Washington or Miami this season at all?

Yes... any team can be beat on any given night if you follow the game-plan and throw off the other team's game-plan.

Will Donte Green get any PT this year of D-League?

Post #57 » by **KF10** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:32 pm

mobiuseinz wrote:
Ballings7 wrote:Great inside game, definitely.

Will we beat Washington or Miami this season at all?

Yes... any team can be beat on any given night if you follow the game-plan and throw off the other team's game-plan.

Will Donte Green get any PT this year of D-League?

Yeah, he will get PT. He will be in the same situation like Hawes last year. Minute-wise. Besides Petrie never uses D-League iirc.

Question:

Will we trade Miller eventually?

Ballings7 · Post #58 » by **Ballings7** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:56 pm

KF10 wrote:Will we trade Miller eventually?

Yes. Good chance by the deadline, I think.

mobuseinz wrote:Yes... any team can be beat on any given night if you follow the game-plan and throw off the other team's game-plan.

Well, I'm just not going to expect that with them because they've simply owned us in recent years... and a pretty good deal of the losses have been notably tough ones.

I think it's obvious their quickness, size, and versatility as a whole, definitely has really gave this team issues over the last 3-4 years, thus matching up against us well.

A specific, key aspect is both teams putting a mobile, bigger foward (Udonis Haslem, Antawn Jamison) on Brad, on the perimeter, to really limit him, and basically take him out of the game by always being with him and up on him. Compared to having the center on him earlier in the game, where it's to Brad's advantage. So, consequently later on, they have the big body back inside, and the good defense out on the wings.

Cleveland's done this once or twice too w/ Brad (Gooden). Also, while for not quite as long as Miami/Washington, they've given us 4-5 bad losses in recent years also. Winning the majority of the games in the last 3 seasons (04-05 and 03-04 I think we won them all, being better then too). With Cleveland, it's not so much their quickness and versatility like with Miami and Washington, but their team-size, LBJ (except for 05-06 at Cleveland), and their quality defense. I would of liked to see how we did against them in 06-07 at Arco with a healthier Ron Artest, that game being a horrible, horrible loss. The other game at Cleveland that season the team just didn't have it from early in the game.

_SRV_ · Post #59 » by **_SRV_** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:49 am

Miami beat us last year in a very questionable call and it was pretty close, I wouldn't say they owned us, and the thing about Miller (especially in the Princeton) that because of his height the shorter the player you put on him, the wider court he sees, he might not be able to shoot the same, but he can pass better, what made shorter players bother more is that we reduced the cutting game in the last few years.
Washington is a different story, my guess is that it's because they have a coach that's very familiar with the Kings, but then again, last year Kings were very different than Kings before.

OGSactownballer · Post #60 » by **OGSactownballer** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:08 am

ALthough we're all getting away from the thread here...

Both teams match Brad well as stated before with a mobile big man who can limit him on the perimeter yet also hold even with him inside. Both teams are also very long overall. This may change a bit this year as we are longer, taller and more athletic. Also, if Spencer is in the option of guarding the center with a forward disappears because he has a very strong post game and those players will quickly get in foul troubled trying to guard a taller man in the post.

Next question:

If we get to the mid-season at a .500 or better level, do we then scrap the 2010 cap space plan and package all or a lot of those guys to obtain a star-caliber player NOW and try to accelerate the re-build into more immediate contention? Or do we continue the steady plan knowing that it will probably give a longer term of solid playoff contention but take two or three years longer?