Anyone wanna do this trade with Memphis?

[shrink]

I wouldn't. The upgrade from Love to Mayo isn't worth losing our starting SG and C (Collins and Mike Miller), adding Jaric's third year, and returning Antoine Walker's negative influence on Al Jefferson.

Give Love a chance

Please stop talking about Jason Collins like he matters. Thanks.

Well, he's not as valuable as Love, or Mike Miller, or moving Jaric. Its just that our need is so great at center that he does matter -- especially to Al Jefferson. When he's started, the team is 2-3. When he doesn't we're 1-7. He's certainly not a great player, but he matters to us because he helps plug our biggest gaping hole.

[cpfsf]

Congratulations on a successful trade.

Due to Minnesota being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Minnesota had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Trade ID #4839172

Minnesota Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +7.9 ppg, -6.0 rpg, and -3.0 apg.

Incoming Players
O.J. Mayo-20.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.3 apg in 39.2 minutes
Greg Buckner-0.9 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 6.5 minutes
Marko Jaric-1.8 ppg, 0.3 rpg, 1.3 apg in 7.2 minutes
Antoine Walker-8.0 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 20.7 minutes


Outgoing Players
Kevin Love-8.3 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 23.6 minutes
Jason Collins-1.4 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 14.5 minutes
Brian Cardinal-1.7 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.3 apg in 3.7 minutes
Mike Miller-12.0 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 4.6 apg in 35.1 minutes

Post this on the Memphis forum.

[walchy]

the crap we rid ourselves of >>>> mayo. period. end of story.

End of story? You've got to be kidding.

i am.

Essentially, the trade was good for us tho. We get a ton of cap room in the 2010 offseason, and past the big 3 of Lebron Wade and Bosh, there is a plethora of other good free agents available. If this team can improve to a fringe 8th seed with this core over the next 2 seasons with the improvement of Al, and the development of Love and hopefully FOye as a PG, we could lure a free agent to fit a need (whatever it may be at that time) to push us into the playoffs. Develop that team a year or two and we could be a team in contention again. The trade wasnt meant to benifit the team immediately. It was done around Mchale (finally) having a vision for the team. We are going to develop a young core, around a superstar in the making in Al, a good young offensive post man, with a good jumper in Love, our PG in progress foye and a guy with amazing offensive potential in Shaddy, and a defensive stopper in brewer.

The team looks like a poor (very very very poor) mans Spurs.....

Jefferson - Duncan (not a close comparison, but both strong offensive players with sound footwork and decent range)

Foye - Parker (parker is a slasher, with good pg skills. Those skills developed over his career so far, he didnt really enter the league with the ability to run an offence as well as he does today)

Shad - Ginobili (Again, a tough comparison souly on stats, but looking at the way Gino developed, shad could become just as potent an offensive weapon)

Brewer - Bowen (both play small forward and maybe a bit of sg. both known for defence. brewer needs to develop a jump shot from the corner to make the comparison really just)

Love - mat bonner X10 (both just role players atm, a big man with good range but love adds a lot more than bonner)


Mchale has (finally) taken a page from a winners book. He seems to be trying the model the team after the spurs, not a bad idea. Furthermore, if the team can actually mesh in this model (with the players obviously improving) we will have a strong core. Add a top free agent to this strong nucleus in the offseason of 2010, and maybe keep mike miller as a sharpshooter and you've got a very formidable lineup that could potentially contend.


THIS is why i would not reverse the trade. He has done a good job of ridding the team of cancerous contracts (Marko Jaric) and attitudes (Antoine Walker) that would have not helped this development. Essentially, we are rebiulding a team around the model of the most succesful team in the millenium, and i for one am willing to suffer a season of the team building together for this plan to come to fruition in the future.


I never thought i would think, let alone type these words, but Kudos to Mchale, he has finally thought about what he needs to do to build a good team.

[Zeitgeister]

Dude, I understand you are trying to stay positive about the Twolves, which is commendable but this comparison with the Spurs completely falls apart with the first players you mentioned in Jefferson/Duncan. Duncan is one of the best post defenders to ever play the game of basketball, the success of the Spurs can largely be attributed to his stellar play on that end. To say that Jefferson is even a decent defender would be a disservice to all the decent defenders out there.

This team is being coached by Wittman who couldn't hold Popovich's jock strap. Hell, the closest comparison that you made would be the Foye/Parker one but even between those two their is a huge gap in talent.

I couldn't possibly see all of our players improving to the point of being an 8th seed playoff team in the West. I think Jefferson is a very nice player, and Foye continues to improve and I think he'll be a good player in this league, but really outside of those two their are a lot of question marks. I just hope we can win the draft this year, and I want us to land a stud this year! I think we deserve that much.

[walchy]

I never mentioned the talent matches. if it did, we would be a stellar team. Instead we're a lottery team. THats because he cannot play the defence duncan does. no one really can. But, its obvious to see the way that mchale is trying to build the team in the same model as the spurs. again, i never said the talent matches, or really comes close. But there are similarites in those mentioned players games. From that, you can see the job mchale has done with rebuilding this team after trading away a top 25 all time player in KG. He has chosen a vision, and hes sticking to it. Hes drafted accordingly, and although at the moment it doesnt seem as though the picks have been the right ones, again hes follow a vision. This is a stark improvement from the crap he did early in KGs career, and then when he added Spree and Sam I Am. Those guys were good, but too old, and too volatile.

The group he has compiled so far, with the exception of SHaddy all seem to be calm, and colected personalities. Shad, a little on the outspoken side.

The team has the talent to become very good in the future, as long as they can mesh and improve together. Al needs to work on his d, foye his d and running an offence, shad his D and attitude, brewer his J, love his defence. Keep Miller and his shooting, get him to work on his d.
Get a coach. not a douche like wittman. A coach who can teach (Keyword TEACH) defence, and keep a consistant roation. Give players roles.


This will ensure the success of tihs team in the future.

[Worm Guts]

This is a stark improvement from the crap he did early in KGs career, and then when he added Spree and Sam I Am. Those guys were good, but too old, and too volatile.

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I disagree, I thought he was better while KG was here, at least up until the last two years.

[C.lupus]

Whether or not Love is a great long-term fit here remains to be seen. I do want to make one point, though: Big men typically take longer to develop in the NBA than wings AND Love is one year younger than Mayo. So, I'm not surprised Mayo is putting up the better rookie numbers. The question we should be asking is which player is goint to make Minnesota a better team and it is just too early to say at this point.

[TrentTuckerForever]

And there's something weird about Mayo, he gets his numbers, I don't dispute that. But there's something about his game that bothers me when it comes to getting W's, both for USC and now for Memphis.

Maybe it's coincidences or maybe I'm trying to hard to not believe, but it still stands out to me.

the 2 games he played the fewest minutes and had his lowest shot attempts were the 2 biggest wins of the year for Memphis. Memphis is +5.5 with him off the floor. Rudy Gay can't find any sort of chemistry with him. He's -75 in net points when on the court.

+/- is a flawed stat because it can't take into account who else is on the court (starters, in Mayo's case.) But I agree with your point overall Devilz.

There are players who put up stats on bad teams, and then there are players who make winning plays regardless of what their stats are. Mayo might graduate from that first group someday (as we're seeing happen with Carmelo Anthony after the Olympics.) Love falls into the second group now, and his stats fifteen games into his rookie season don't discourage me in the least.

[realfung]

Kevin Love is not touchable.