Will Goddell get himself in trouble

skbucks1985 · Post #1 » by **skbucks1985** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:46 am

With the Vick situation opping up today and the almost certain suspension that will follow, it got me thinking, will Goodell get himself in trouble with this new zero-tolerance program.

Granted, up until now he's only dealt with players who've had numerous altercations. But, this precedent he's setting of suspending players without a conviction could still be a little troubling. I feel like one of these times he's going to suspend a player in a Jerome Bettis-like situation. A situation where a guy gets a very serious charge levied against him(sexual assault in Bettis' case) but it is later revealed that the player did nothing wrong and was rather the victim of an extortion attempt.

PistonFan4Life · Post #2 » by **PistonFan4Life** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:23 am

safi wrote:With the Vick situation opping up today and the almost certain suspension that will follow, it got me thinking, will Goodell get himself in trouble with this new zero-tolerance program.

Granted, up until now he's only dealt with players who've had numerous altercations. But, this precedent he's setting of suspending players without a conviction could still be a little troubling. I feel like one of these times he's going to suspend a player in a Jerome Bettis-like situation. A situation where a guy gets a very serious charge levied against him(sexual assault in Bettis' case) but it is later revealed that the player did nothing wrong and was rather the victim of an extortion attempt.

I have a question to ask. Why would Goddell be getting himself in trouble if he suspends Vick? If any normal person got charges brought against them, their boss could either give you an indefinite suspension or even fire you from your job. Why should Vick or any other pro athlete be any different? Its about time there was a commisioner of a professional sport that decided to crack down on everyone even if you are a star player. I hope that Goddell is hard on him, and suspends him until the trial is over with and he is either found guilty or not guilty. Also whatever happens I hope if he is found guilty that he is punished like any other human wouuld be and not given special treatment because he's a star athlete. Its time we get back to punishing everyone and treating everyone equal in punishments instead of giving stars special treatment, it just seems to encourage them to continue breaking laws because they know that nothing is going to happen to them when they do.

livestrong4ever · Post #3 » by **livestrong4ever** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:42 am

PistonFan4Life wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I have a question to ask. Why would Goddell be getting himself in trouble if he suspends Vick? If any normal person got charges brought against them, their boss could either give you an indefinite suspension or even fire you from your job. Why should Vick or any other pro athlete be any different? Its about time there was a commisioner of a professional sport that decided to crack down on everyone even if you are a star player. I hope that Goddell is hard on him, and suspends him until the trial is over with and he is either found guilty or not guilty. Also whatever happens I hope if he is found guilty that he is punished like any other human wouuld be and not given special treatment because he's a star athlete. Its time we get back to punishing everyone and treating everyone equal in punishments instead of giving stars special treatment, it just seems to encourage them to continue breaking laws because they know that nothing is going to happen to them when they do.

I can tell you why because of how much money he makes thats why.

PistonFan4Life · Post #4 » by **PistonFan4Life** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:04 am

livestrong4ever wrote:I can tell you why because of how much money he makes thats why.

I don't care how much money these people make, seems the more money they make the more it is ok to act like a fool and break the law. Its time to put all this garbage to rest and get everyone playing by the same rules. Enough is enough, stop giving these stars special treatment, they're human beings like the rest of us, and if they choose to break the laws then they should stand up and take the punishment that goes along with it.

skbucks1985 · Post #5 » by **skbucks1985** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:12 pm

PistonFan4Life wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I have a question to ask. Why would Goddell be getting himself in trouble if he suspends Vick? If any normal person got charges brought against them, their boss could either give you an indefinite suspension or even fire you from your job. Why should Vick or any other pro athlete be any different? Its about time there was a commisioner of a professional sport that decided to crack down on everyone even if you are a star player. I hope that Goddell is hard on him, and suspends him until the trial is over with and he is either found guilty or not guilty. Also whatever happens I hope if he is found guilty that he is punished like any other human wouuld be and not given special treatment because he's a star athlete. Its time we get back to punishing everyone and treating everyone equal in punishments instead of giving stars special treatment, it just seems to encourage them to continue breaking laws because they know that nothing is going to happen to them when they do.

I didn't say Goddell would get himself in trouble with the Vick situation. He probably shouldn't show his face in Atlanta for a while, but other than that this movie will be applauded.

I was pointing to a future hypothetical situation similar to te Bettis situation where a player gets a very serious charge levied against him(rape, sexual assault). Becuase of this policy Goddell may choose to suspend him and then it is later revealed that the player was the victim of an extortion attempt.

UKF · Post #6 » by **UKF** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:25 pm

He is already in trouble. He should have already done something but he is just sitting around. He needs to distribute punishment evenly. He needs to deal with this just how he dealt with PacMan and Tank. He has been indicted therefore he needs to be staying home for the rest of the season. That will atleast set an example that this crap will stop. Goodell is losing my respect not that it matters but he just needs to handle the punishment easily and he not. Its actually pretty sad how much this man is caring about the money behind Vick.

Siem · Post #7 » by **Siem** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:03 pm

Im not saying Vick is innocent and Im not taking up for him. Hell, Im a Giants fan Vick not playing only improves our chances of having a shot at a playoff spot. But on a serious note, im just saying Vick hasnt bee found guilty of anything and does not have previous offenses, I just dont think he shouldnt be allowed to go to training camp. I understand The commish's, handling of the pacman and Chris Henry situations, but this I disagree. Similar to the Jerome Bettis situation, we can have someone come out and accuse Tom Brady of rape, and he and be completly innocent. Is the commissioner going to suspend him? I personally think he is going overboard. Nowaday its guilty til proven innocent.

PistonFan4Life · Post #8 » by **PistonFan4Life** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:19 pm

Siem wrote:Im not saying Vick is innocent and Im not taking up for him. Hell, Im a Giants fan Vick not playing only improves our chances of having a shot at a playoff spot. But on a serious note, im just saying Vick hasnt bee found guilty of anything and does not have previous offenses, I just dont think he shouldnt be allowed to go to training camp. I understand The commish's, handling of the pacman and Chris Henry situations, but this I disagree. Similar to the Jerome Bettis situation, we can have someone come out and accuse Tom Brady of rape, and he and be completly innocent. Is the commissioner going to suspend him? I personally think he is going overboard. Nowaday its guilty til proven innocent.

Thats not true. We still consider people innocent until proven guilty. I'm sure Goodell hopes that this is all untrue and that he will have to apologize to Vick when this is over with. But unfortunately right now previous offenses or not he looks really bad with all the information that has come out. Regardless of whether the dogs were his or not, the dog fighting took place on his property and dead dogs were found buried around his house. That alone is enough to get him in trouble. You have to be able to control things that go on on your property making him at least somewhat to blame in this matter. We have to stop saying its a pro-athlete so lets give them special treatment. If this was about a normal hard working person, they would've been fired from their job already, so how is this unfair to Vick?

Dirty Water · Post #9 » by **Dirty Water** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:43 pm

An everyday human being minding his own business doesn't get wrongfully indicted on dogfighting charges by the federal freaking government. The feds don't want to look stupid. If they have an indictment, I am already convinced there is enough evidence to get the guy behind bars.

Its the whole Pacman Jones story over again. I don't care if he hasn't been convicted. The regular human being doesn't get arrested 11 times in 3 years or whatever. Allen Iverson spoke up the other day giving Vick advice. When you have the money, you got to give up the old life style and pick and choose your crew and who you roll around with. This isn't high school anymore, you are a professional athlete being adored by minions of fans. Don't screw up.

_BBIB_ · Post #10 » by **_BBIB_** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:07 pm

If he makes Vick sit out the whole season and it turns out that Vick somehow gets off scotch free, it's going to make his policy look VERY VERY BAD.

Unfortunately I think Vick is screwed so Goddell will get lucky.

But sooner or later he's going to suspend a player who gets proved not guilty and it's going to look real real bad.

Lucky for him it may not have the hype around it like this case.