The Future of Michael Vick

[bravesatl]

i wonder if russell simmons and al sharpton are vegetarians?

[spectrec130]

Innocent until proven guilty.

"totallyr" is an idiot for the comment above. Let the legal process run it's course, and then judge the man.

U can stick ur head in the sand but Vicks situation is grave. This ain't no he said she said state prosecuted rape case. Vick is Federally Indicted with a Conspiracy charge levied against him for an operation that has been up and running in some form since he entered the league 6 years ago.

This is conviction rates for Federal cases from 1982-2002

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tab ... ipctab.htm

90% conviction rate 2004:

Cases were terminated against 83,391 defendants during 2004. Most (90%) defendants were convicted. Of the 74,782 defendants convicted, 72,152 (or 96%) pleaded guilty or no-contest.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/fed.htm#Adjudication

Also 90% in 1994 and 2003:

20,219 such cases during 1994 (with a 86 percent conviction rate) and 28,597 cases in 2003 (with a 92 percent conviction rate). There were 3,673 felony weapons cases disposed of in 1994 (85 percent conviction rate) and 8,147 cases concluded during 2003 (90 percent conviction rate).

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/press/fcjt03pr.htm

By those numbers one can conclude, along with the mounting circumstantial evidence and witnesses reported, that Vick is guilty of something. He's also the target and main financier of the whole operation. That leaves him in a pickle cause there's no one up the chain to turn over to the feds to plea outta jailtime. Also reported that State Charges are also pending.

Find it interesting Davon Boddie is NOT 1 of the 4 indicted on any charge. He's Vicks Cousin whose drug bust on April 20th started this whole investigation. May have turned over on MV.

Vick's best defense right now is to keep quiet stay and hire the best lawyer money can buy!

[saloonyk8]

I didn't realize federal conviction rate was so freaking high...

I can see Vick sitting out this season before going to jail for 2 years. I think it's the end of the Vick era in Atlanta and probably the NFL. We'll probably remember this season as the one that got away.

For the record, this will be the second season we lost cause of Vick.

[DubaLakers]

Does anyone really care if he plays in the NFL ever again? Even die hard Falcon fans have to agree at this point.

He should do jail time. And ask for re-instatement.

If it was my decision eye for an eye. It's disgusting. I will no longer root for Vick.

Why are there so many blacks that think this is a sport dog fighting and defend Vick's actions it makes no sense.

I can't even listen or read any more articles or segments it's too upsetting. The details.

Good luck ATL and Falcons fans. You deserve better.

[HMFFL]

DubaLakers,

The man has yet to be convicted. What if this was you or a love one, how would you feel if people viewed you negative, if you were truly innocent?

[saloonyk8]

DubaLakers,

The man has yet to be convicted. What if this was one or a love one, how would you feel if people viewed you negative, if you were truly innocent?

I have been a huge Vick supporter over the years. Realistically though, this has so much negative press around it, I don't think we'll see Vick play for the Falcons this season..or again.

Me giving him the benefit of the doubt won't change the label that he has probably done something to get put on him. I doubt he's completely innocent, I guess we'll see what the court finds anyway.

[HMFFL]

Stephen A. Smith | It's far too easy and too early to condemn Vick

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/footba ... s/falcons/

[HMFFL]

Horn: Vick Wants To Play Football

http://www.realgmfootball.com/src_wiret ... _football/

[Hawks4LifeNotBK]

Does anyone really care if he plays in the NFL ever again? Even die hard Falcon fans have to agree at this point.

He should do jail time. And ask for re-instatement.

If it was my decision eye for an eye. It's disgusting. I will no longer root for Vick.

Why are there so many blacks that think this is a sport dog fighting and defend Vick's actions it makes no sense.

I can't even listen or read any more articles or segments it's too upsetting. The details.

Good luck ATL and Falcons fans. You deserve better.

Wow.. how bout you show some links and quotes.. and while your at it bring quotes and rates of the other races involved.. how about not try to talk negatively about a freaking race... You need to think before you write.. While you are at it condemn EVERY person on trial.. DO NOT give them a chance to prove their innocence.. and for gods sake.. PLEADING GUILTY or Pleading out does might equal convictions.. but do not equal actual guilt... Plenty of people have pleaded out for the simple fact that they will not stand a fair trial from the public and feel it is their best option.. Stop condemning a guy that is the Feds skape goat before he has even been to a damn court room.. if he is FOUND guilty in a court of law.. i will never ever root for this man again.. but as citizens of this great nation we need to save our opinions for the end of the trial and see how it plays out..

[reazun]

I agree, I think he is guilty, but this is ridiculous. Expressing opinions is one thing but people are trying to ruin this mans life before he is even convicted. Until the courts say he is guilty then its your opinion and thats it. Why are people already trying to get him kicked out of football. I cant stand PETA. They are all hypocites. Everyone that knows anything about pitbulls knows that they have been trying to completely eradicate the breed. Then they see this as publicity to make themselves look good so they jump on it. If Vick is guilty i hope he goes to jail for this and never wears a Falcons uniform again. But he is innocent until proven guilty, its not a hard concept.

[_BBIB_]

Vick forced to sit the season by Goddell

Unbelievable.


I hate this new commissioner I really do

How the hell could Jonathan Babineaux play and Vick sit?

[evildallas]

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Do you have a link to this buddy?

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 64095.html

"Between 2000 and 2005, 99 percent of the 435,000 federal criminal defendants prosecuted nationwide were convicted. The conviction rate was the same for the 2,130 criminal defendants prosecuted during that period in the Western District of Pennsylvania."

Sorry I haven't been online lately or I would have posted it sooner.

[evildallas]

Vick forced to sit the season by Goddell

Unbelievable.


I hate this new commissioner I really do

How the hell could Jonathan Babineaux play and Vick sit?

Wow, I missed that story. Wish the example wasn't another Falcon though.

[dms269]

Suspend/told not to report is being the same thing. Goodell caved into Peta and the Humaine Society and will end up suspending him because he can't stand up to them.

People who say that vick should be suspended cause Jones was are wrong. Pacman had a serious past before Las Vegas and still screw up. Vick has 1 criminal case against him and people are calling for the same punishment, even worse.

Joe Horn is right about one thing, the media has already made up their mind on the issue. They don't care about due process and his rights.

I want to drive to the tc facility, talk to peta and the protesters. Have them punch me, then beat their ass cause they are ignorant fools then sue them since they violated their first amendment right by not making the protest "peaceful" anymore.

Ii think that harrington will be fine. People who say we were fools to give up Schaub don't understand what we got in return. We got guys who will start for us right now and harrington will be just fine. He is going to have a better line, wr's, te's, and rb's than he had in detriot. I feel he is going to do great.

[mcblaze]

Here is my understanding of the situation.....

Michael Vick:

1) Owned the house
2) Owned the business
3) Owned the dogs

Okay, so ya'll are just giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he knew nothing. He had no idea that they were fighting the dogs. He had no idea that the dogs were brutally treated.

Ya'll are simply saying, that Michael Vick should not be held accountable for the facts that we know.

Interesting.

[HMFFL]

Here is my understanding of the situation.....

Michael Vick:

1) Owned the house
2) Owned the business
3) Owned the dogs

Okay, so ya'll are just giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he knew nothing. He had no idea that they were fighting the dogs. He had no idea that the dogs were brutally treated.

Ya'll are simply saying, that Michael Vick should not be held accountable for the facts that we know.

Interesting.

Owned nearly everything on the property. Do you know how often he was at the property?

I believe Mike took the backseat approach with his breeding business. Any news on how often Mike was on the property? Mike could have easily funded his business without being present at the house.

I believe many fans are taking the right approach by letting things play out. There is no reason to fully judge Mike until he's convicted.

[dms269]

Okay, so ya'll are just giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he knew nothing.

Interesting.

We are giving him legal right to due process. He is innocent until proven guilty.

[spectrec130]

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Owned nearly everything on the property. Do you know how often he was at the property?

I believe Mike took the backseat approach with his breeding business. Any news on how often Mike was on the property? Mike could have easily funded his business without being present at the house.

I believe many fans are taking the right approach by letting things play out. There is no reason to fully judge Mike until he's convicted.

Doesn't matter how often he was at the property. If his LACKIES were doing his bidding and it can be proven then it wouldn't matter if he was ever there at all.

Just like a HIT, the Feds will reserve the harshest punishment for the MONEYMAN who orders it versus the individual who pulls the trigger. Same principle applies here. That's why the Conspiracy Charge of funds and animal transport across stateline was levied.

Though the Feds state that they have eye-witness account that MV was there, the prosecution won't just rely on them to determine whether or not he was at the house attending. Bank transactions, phone records etc, among other things, can place him at the scene as well. He'll have to account and explain away 6 years of this activity.

Here's the indictment for those whom haven't read it:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football ... 070717.pdf

Pretty big venture with lotsa ppl involved. That can help, he could possibly downplay his role to a certain extent and start discreditting witnesses against him but in the end if he is the Moneyman for this operation then it won't matter.

[LockDownD]

Pretty big venture with lotsa ppl involved. That can help, he could possibly downplay his role to a certain extent and start discreditting witnesses against him but in the end if he is the Moneyman for this operation then it won't matter.

Yes and even if he gets off, he's already been proven guilty in the eyes of the public. OJ will have a better life than Vick at this point. I don't get how some of you still can't see this, his career is over, guilty or not.

[ssssssnake]

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We are giving him legal right to due process. He is innocent until proven guilty.

In the court of law, yes. The court of public opinion is quite another thing. Vick is a complete scum bag.

He's probably spent most of his money and after his prison stay he'll be a worthless street thug like the rest of his family. It will be a pleasure to watch him hauled off to prison and then read about him getting arrested again and again when he gets out. Scum bags belong in prison, luckily for us many of them are. Vick just needs to join them.