1/12/2009 Woelfel: Conley deal waiting for Herb (poll added)

[paulpressey25]

Perhaps the Bucks want to first gauge interest in Richard Jefferson.

Seems like speculation but interesting stuff. Thanks for posting it. As discussed in the other threads, Portland could be a logical destination there.

[EastSideBucksFan]

I'm going to take a gander and guess that since Hammond already said Sessions is the most called about player, then there are several teams that are definitely interested in Sessions. But with the deadline looming there are lots of teams talking right now and noone is really ready to pull the trigger because everyone is trying to negotiate up.

I would have to say since Hammond was able to turn a lottery pick and a horrible contract in Simmons into RJ, who although his play recently has left plenty to be desired, is still a very good veteran player.

It really doesn't make sense for Hammond to let both of the young players with good contracts go without tying some dead weight to them. If they want Sessions and Alexander, then we're swapping Gadz for Darko.

Not to mention that our most glaring need at this point is to acquire some size for insurance. Skiles has made it clear he's concerned about continuing to play MM heavy minutes at the PF spot. Couple Bogut's back problems and Gadz's spaz problems (although I do think he's better this year, but its still not enough) and we're really in need of someone to come in and help take some load off Bogut (maybe the Heat would give us the Big Cat ha ha)


So, if we need to wait it out until the deadline, then I trust Hammond to do whats best (until he proves me wrong)

[europa]

Perhaps the Bucks want to first gauge interest in Richard Jefferson.

Seems like speculation but interesting stuff. Thanks for posting it. As discussed in the other threads, Portland could be a logical destination there.

Hopefully not for the offer posted in that thread. That's the type of trade you make when you're giving up on the season. I can't think of any reason why Hammond would do that. I wouldn't mind seeing Jefferson turned into a strong PF. Move M&M to SF; trade Sessions for Conley and see what Villanueva's value is like at the deadline.

I also think Sessions' value could rise as we get closer to the deadline. Not sure if a player with more upside than Conley will be available, but if this deal falls through I doubt that will be the only offer Hammond gets for Sessions. He's definitely in demand. He's cheap, he's talented and he plays arguably the most important position on the court.

[worthlessBucks]

Better question, what could a package of Sessions & RJ get us?

[europa]

Better question, what could a package of Sessions & RJ get us?

My hope would be the impact PF this team badly needs but one with strong offensive ability to replace what the team would be losing with RJ and Sessions.

[paulpressey25]

Hopefully not for the offer posted in that thread. .

No, I just posted in that thread though that I'd like Raef and Fernandez for RJ. But maybe that offer you might think too low. But Fernandez we could use as a scorer or sixth-man and we'd now have tons of salary room next year so Kohl can either cut budget or resign Sessions/CV or whoever he might want.

[europa]

Hopefully not for the offer posted in that thread. .

No, I just posted in that thread though that I'd like Raef and Fernandez for RJ. But maybe that offer you might think too low. But Fernandez we could use as a scorer or sixth-man and we'd now have tons of salary room next year so Kohl can either cut budget or resign Sessions/CV or whoever he might want.

I think it's low but Fernandez would be someone I'd be interested in targeting. I haven't seen enough Blazers games this season to get a feel for his defense. RJ has made an impact defensively and as a team leader so even though he hasn't played as well as he's capable, his departure would create some huge voids to replace.

[midranger]

Portland is not getting rid of Rudy. That other trade makes some sense (RJ for Lafrentz and Outlaw) if we made the Memphis deal. Outlaw would slide right into the Alexander role of hyper-athletic guy with no idea how to play basketball, but perhaps actually produce when in games. I haven't checked the numbers, but I imagine that would brings us near the cap level and increase our flexibility in taking on longer term salary or using the MLE. My main concern is the rate that Jefferson is declining. He's been a fairly average or below average player for a few years especially on the defensive end and glass (also on the offense end this year). If I could trade away his long deal right now I would, just to not be saddled with a guy who's game was primarily predicated on athleticism with rapidly declining athleticism, I would. New Jersey saw this and made the move. Jefferson must have had next to no value around the NBA over the summer and he's seems to have gotten markedly worse than last year. If we could now (for whatever reason) get equal value or greater value back than when we traded for him, you have to do it.

In the end, my ideal scenario is Sessions and Jefferson for Elton Brand.

Brand would just fit our team so perfectly next to Bogut and with Redd on the wing, that I'd jump for joy.

[paulpressey25]

In the end, my ideal scenario is Sessions and Jefferson for Elton Brand..

I think we sometimes look at Elton Brand and think of the "old" Elton who four years ago was a machine in the post. The new Elton will be owed another $66 million dollars for the four seasons after this one, and appears to be far less explosive given his injury. Many of his numbers are career lows right now and he turns 30 in March. I would not want to go that direction. If we take back a big salary guy in some deal, it should be an expiring or a star without injury problems.

[midranger]

In the end, my ideal scenario is Sessions and Jefferson for Elton Brand..

I think we sometimes look at Elton Brand and think of the "old" Elton who four years ago was a machine in the post. The new Elton will be owed another $66 million dollars for the four seasons after this one, and appears to be far less explosive given his injury. Many of his numbers are career lows right now and he turns 30 in March. I would not want to go that direction. If we take back a big salary guy in some deal, it should be an expiring or a star without injury problems.

You could say the same about the "old" Richard Jefferson.

[paulpressey25]

You could say the same about the "old" Richard Jefferson.

I can't argue with that. Or the old Michael Redd and his getting winded by the fourth quarter most nights. Redd for Brand I do.

[midranger]

Brand would certainly benefit from landing on a half court team and playing next to a capable center and a single outside shooter like our Bucks have. Additionally, acquiring Brand would solidify us as (likely) the best rebounding team in the league and give us a second legitimate post defender/shot blocker. It would also remove a poor defender from the starting lineup (RJ) and maximize the defensive potential of an elite level defender in Prince while diversifying our offense.

You raise legitimate concerns about Brand's contract being two years longer than RJ's and that's the risk involved here. At max potential, Brand is certainly a better and more valuable player, and it'd be a risk I'd be willing to take.

Just think how NBA GMs valued each player 6 months ago. The best offer in the NBA for RJ was Yi/Simmons. Meanwhile, at least 2-3 teams were lining up to throw Brand a max deal out of their valuable cap space.

[REDDzone]

PP, you would rather get rid of Redd than RJ?

[jerrod]

Better question, what could a package of Sessions & RJ get us?

My hope would be the impact PF this team badly needs but one with strong offensive ability to replace what the team would be losing with RJ and Sessions.

how much value do you think rj has? im my mind, an impact pf with strong offensive ability is far more valuable than a declining rj with his big contract and a soon to be rfa ramon sessions

[midranger]

PP, you would rather get rid of Redd than RJ?

I'm not a Redd fan, but after seeing them both this year I'd keep Redd over RJ 10 times out of 10.

[trwi7]

Better question, what could a package of Sessions & RJ get us?

My hope would be the impact PF this team badly needs but one with strong offensive ability to replace what the team would be losing with RJ and Sessions.

how much value do you think rj has? im my mind, an impact pf with strong offensive ability is far more valuable than a declining rj with his big contract and a soon to be rfa ramon sessions

+1

There's a reason New Jersey was willing to give him up for Simmons and Yi.

[REDDzone]

PP, you would rather get rid of Redd than RJ?

I'm not a Redd fan, but after seeing them both this year I'd keep Redd over RJ 10 times out of 10.

Mid, I'm also not a Redd fan, I want to trade Redd. I called for Redd's head many times this year (fought with Jeremy, same old song and dance, you know it well).

But, in a way, RJ being how he is kind of makes me think that this board under appreciates Redd a little bit. How many times did we look at teams over the past 2-3 seasons and say a lot of teams have 3 guys better than our best player? And include RJ in those comparisons as a player obviously better than Redd because he gets better raw rebound numbers while scoring a comparable amount?

I appreciate RJ's leadership, and the fact that the man stays on the court. I also think he hustles despite the fact that he's lost a step, but in terms of sheer contribution Redd has been better when on the court (I was wrong about this earlier in the season).

[midranger]

Redd has been playing much smarter offense and has improved his defense under Skiles. You can't say the same about RJ.

[MiltownAlbo]

Hey guys this is my first post, i have been following these boards since last season because i was so angry with the bucks i just wanted to see how other people felt. so here goes i think this deal works :

Milwaukee
Sessions
Alexander
Gadzuric
For
Grizzlies
Conley
Warrick (I think his contract matches Gadz and expires after this season)

This is the only way i would be happy with this trade, they have to take Gadzurics contract because i think we are giving up way better all around talent for Conley who has not done anything special.

[aaprigs311]

Hey guys this is my first post, i have been following these boards since last season because i was so angry with the bucks i just wanted to see how other people felt. so here goes i think this deal works :

Milwaukee
Sessions
Alexander
Gadzuric
For
Grizzlies
Conley
Warrick (I think his contract matches Gadz and expires after this season)

This is the only way i would be happy with this trade, they have to take Gadzurics contract because i think we are giving up way better all around talent for Conley who has not done anything special.

Gadz and Warrick aren't even close to a match. For future reference utilize the trade checker towards the top of the page.