College players thread/ Draft Related thread

Post #421 » by **revprodeji** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:34 pm

nc21!!!! missed ya buddy. sorry shad turned into a turd.

I m having my monthly curry obsession again. I am sure it will wear off but right now wow. mike bibby with a brass pair.

-lawson does nothing- off my board
-harden is a two and so is foye- move on
-have not seen enough of green to make an honest claim, but I hear we like him. nc21 u have likely seen more, what u think?
-turner will be our coin flip. has tools and size, plays smart and is a great teammate, but projects as a role player. (similar claim made about holiday)
- Lester Hudson-Jeff Teague- Lee Cummard- Marcus Thornton are all guys I need t look into more but I am hearing good things.

it is all based on what we do in fa and in trades. we need a 3 and a 1. combine pieces for starters please.

btw I have not lost faith in brewer but I want him in an ariza role.

Post #422 » by **Worm Guts** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:04 pm

it is all based on what we do in fa and in trades. we need a 3 and a 1. combine pieces for starters please

Last night, Bynum showed we really could also use a 7 footer in our rotation.
As far as getting a point guard, which is more important, size or pure point abilities? Most of the pure point guards available are around 6'2, which sets us up long term to be undersized in both the front court and the back court. At the same time the team seems lost without either Telfair or Ollie running the show.
There's also a question Foye is good a enough to be the 2nd scorer on a good team. He's been playing really well lately, but I'm not sure that he's proved himself for long enough. At the very least I think we could use some help scoring from the perimeter.
At the three, we've got Miller, Gomes, Brewer, and Carney can play some minutes there. There's definitely room to upgrade, but a middle of the road guy isn't going to help us much. I personally would like an athletic guy who can shoot the three.

Post #423 » by **C.lupus** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:35 pm

One thing that really appeals to me about Marvin Williams, besides his athleticism, is his height. If we could get him in free agency, we could then draft a legit center, say Mullens, and a pure PG. With the addition of a 7 footer in the frontcourt rotation and Williams at SF, I think the height of the PG is less of a concern.

Post #424 » by **revprodeji** » Sun Feb 1, 2009 12:00 am

I do not think pg height is that big of an issue considering foye has not had a problem with most sg and we will have brew back in the rotation next year. I believe a true plymaker is the big need. as I confessed I am high on curry right now.
worm I feel a love/al situaton works under 3 conditions.
1-continued improvement and commitment from al on def. I feel long term he defends 4 an love defends stronger 5
2-an athletic 7ft replaces craig's minutes. he is a nice player but does not fit.
3-brew is a nice swing 2/3 but if he does not come back and produce we need an athletic rebounding 3 to start. I love gomes but he needs to be our 6th man. bcs is brewer produces like the top 10 pick he is.

PeeDee · Post #425 » by **PeeDee** » Sun Feb 1, 2009 12:16 am

revprodeji wrote:as I confessed I am high on curry right now.

You might want to get help for that. That can't be good for your nose.

collin_k41 · Post #426 » by **collin_k41** » Sun Feb 1, 2009 2:38 am

I went to the Iowa State Oklahoma today. I'll state something that seems redundant but Blake Griffen is freaking athletic! It was a really fun game overall and I think State could've pulled it out if we could've held down Warren. It could be argued that it was the refs fault but I don't like to do that. It even warranted a Hilton wide REF YOU SUCK chant. We played really good D most of the first half which included doubling Blake and did a good job recovering. Blake ended up with a quiet 20something points 15 rebounds i think. One thing I think is a correctable concern with Blake is his footwork. Not to say that he has bad footwork he just travels ALL THE TIME. I think he was only called once or twice but I counted numerous numerous other times where he travelled. Other than that, he can rebound, he's athletic, good hands, can dribble well for a big man, had a good save, scored over a triple team once, and even made a sick pass before falling flat on his face. He will be a good player in the NBA. We won't get him but he'll be decent.

Post #427 » by **revprodeji** » Sun Feb 1, 2009 3:13 am

he reminds me a lot of mcdyess in college. will be a good guy but not a stud. a ny or okc would love him.

if we get lucky I pray it is rubio. we should be unified in that.

Post #428 » by **revprodeji** » Sun Feb 1, 2009 3:28 am

The problem with Ricky Rubio is: Where to start? He has more skill than anyone in his worldwide age group. Including but not limited to: Defense, anticipation, intelligence, ball handling, PG (vision) creation, rhythm, coordination, ambition, scoring and personality He is practically ambidextrous, has good foot speed (not great) and excellent body control With excellent use of speed/ direction changes he excels both on the open court and the half court game as a set up or assist man Catch and shoot is quick and clean A smart rebounder, he gets optimum position under both boards Voted the best Euro young player for 2007, he has only acceptable shooting %s both from 2 and 3 points. His shooting delivery is consistent with no waste of time or extra movement. Ive thought about it a lot and think the best comparison to past-present NBA players would be the best of both Walt Clyde Frazier and Steve Nash At 17 years old he is already a feared and well respected ACB and Euro-level competitor. He is a warrior and plays all out, all the time. On top of that knows how to flop (with this kid its an art form) Hes also a master at getting to the FT line, where he knocs down a high rate (80%) Adventurous in his passing, he has two skills; Seeing and when necessary, creation of passing lanes. Excellent. Statistically he is a gem and he has personality. He leads. He knows how to win He will become a household name in many more households.

yea I want rubio...(sry quote no work on my mobile)

Post #429 » by **revprodeji** » Sun Feb 1, 2009 3:36 am

just thinking that next year could potentially be the greatest pg year ever.

rubio
holiday (if he stays like some think)
john hall (wow if u don't know)

Post #430 » by **revprodeji** » Sun Feb 1, 2009 4:44 am

john wall sry typo on the mobile.

Post #431 » by **Klomp** » Sun Feb 1, 2009 5:20 am

revprodeji wrote:he reminds me a lot of mcdyess in college. will be a good guy but not a stud. a ny or okc would love him.

If it wasnt for injuries, Dice would've been a stud.

Post #432 » by **revprodeji** » Sun Feb 1, 2009 6:40 pm

I think mcdyess would have been a great #2 but never a franchise stud. r.wallace level. that is how I see griffin.

rubio and wall are the only two studs in the next 2 drafts.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #433 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Sun Feb 1, 2009 7:37 pm

if we get the #1 pick and Rubio is gone, I was thinking maybe we could ransom it to OKC for Westbrook and next year's first unprotected. They'd have Durant/Griffin/Green/and their own #1 2009 to build around, should be a very good foundation

Krapinsky · Post #434 » by **Krapinsky** » Sun Feb 1, 2009 8:44 pm

I think peeps are sleeping on Jennings. You got to realize it's not easy to drive on euro defenses, which is hurting his stats over there a lot. This kid is one of the best creators of offense I have ever seen, and I think a year over in Euro is going to wonders for his maturity both on and off the court.

I'm hoping for Jennings if our pick is from 4-8. As of right now, I have Jennings over Holiday.

w/ other picks I'm happy just taking best available that is not a PF.

Post #435 » by **C.lupus** » Sun Feb 1, 2009 8:52 pm

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:I think peeps are sleeping on Jennings. You got to realize it's not easy to drive on euro defenses, which is hurting his stats over there a lot. This kid is one of the best creators of offense I have ever seen, and I think a year over in Euro is going to wonders for his maturity both on and off the court.

I'm hoping for Jennings if our pick is from 4-8. As of right now, I have Jennings over Holiday.

w/ other picks I'm happy just taking best available that is not a PF.

They make you drive on the other side over there, don't they?

I can't get any feel for Jennings since he's play across the pond. Some people think he is great and some think he is the next Telfair.

AQuintus · Post #436 » by **AQuintus** » Sun Feb 1, 2009 9:09 pm

I like Jennings ability to control an offense more than Holiday's, but my biggest concern about Jennings is that he doesn't play any defense at all. And our team desperately needs strong perimeter defense considering who our post defenders are.

Post #437 » by **revprodeji** » Sun Feb 1, 2009 9:26 pm

I admit I have not seen enough of jennings but his lack of maturity is concerning. also I hear his defensive issues are mental not skill. but like I said I have not seen much.

I am just worried because he is drastically behind wall, rubio, holiday and possibly curry.

holiday could possibly project as a role player. an antonio daniels solid offense great defense pg.

nc21tarheels · Post #438 » by **nc21tarheels** » Sun Feb 1, 2009 9:58 pm

revprodeji wrote:nc21!!!! missed ya buddy. sorry shad turned into a turd.

I m having my monthly curry obsession again. I am sure it will wear off but right now wow. mike bibby with a brass pair.

-lawson does nothing- off my board
-harden is a two and so is foye- move on
-have not seen enough of green to make an honest claim, but I hear we like him. nc21 u have likely seen more, what u think?
-turner will be our coin flip. has tools and size, plays smart and is a great teammate, but projects as a role player. (similar claim made about holiday)
- Lester Hudson-Jeff Teague- Lee Cummard- Marcus Thornton are all guys I need t look into more but I am hearing good things.

it is all based on what we do in fa and in trades. we need a 3 and a 1. combine pieces for starters please.

btw I have not lost faith in brewer but I want him in an ariza role.

Call me a homer, but i LOVE green. I think he'll be the best player out of UNC in recent memory EASILY. He definitly has the highest ceiling, athleticism, can run the floor well, play great defense, and his outside game has turned into a SHOW! He's holding this UNC team up BY HIMSELF! He's the one guy that has showed up to play EVERY SINGLE GAME. Granted, I'm not sure where we'll pick, and I haven't made up my mock draft quite yet, but Green, imo, is an EASY top 10 pick. However, I'm not sure if he's our answer because, imo, I am on the bandwagon that we need a TRUE PG. Forget about this Foye/combo guard ****, get a true PG in here and I'll be 10000% more happier!

Krapinsky · Post #439 » by **Krapinsky** » Sun Feb 1, 2009 9:59 pm

I encourage people to check out Jennings blog/website. Not bad:

http://blog.underarmour.com/wheninrome/

Post #440 » by **revprodeji** » Sun Feb 1, 2009 10:02 pm

btw aquintius, I agree defense on the wing and point are essential, but not because of al/love but rather because our outside defense as been so bad. gomes and bassy would be very effective bench players but are not starters. look at theproduction diff from the 1 and 3 spot. (the 2 was horrible also until foye moved over) maybe that changes with a healthy brew? who knows. but other than an athlete to take cookies minutes we should not focus on a good frontcourt rather we need to bring in the 3 and 1 needed to put gomes and bassy in the bench role they will excel in.