Official Trade Thread (all trade ideas here. No exceptions)

[Jajwanda]

Samuel Dalembert would also be another alternative. Dalembert on the Lakers would probably have about the same plus impact at C that Odom does now for the team. He's heavily in the plus rebounding category, a better shot-blocker, and plays solid man-to-man defense. If on this team he'd get probably another two more points a night just based off of the fact we're a better executing team than the 76ers.

[ALL HAIL]

Not now, but this off-season (whether we win the title or not):

Trade Radmanovic, Walton (two dead weights), Farmar, and Mihm (sign and traded for one year 3.7 mil)
to New York for
Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries

New York can't say no. They dump two untradeable players who will make about 17 mill in 2010 for Walton and Radmanovic who will make about 11 mill in 2010. They also get Farmar and a possiblity of trading Radmanovic before 2010 for even more relief (Walton is as untradeable as Curry and Jeffries).

The Lakers rid themselves of two defensive deadweights at the SF position ... a position that, in the Finals against the East, could mean a matchup with either LeBron or Pierce.

Losing Radmanovic and Walton mean the Lakers can cheaply upgrade defensively at the 3 spot.

In Curry, the Lakers get a low post threat in the second unit. Curry adds a great deal of balance to the second unit, enabling them to always be accustomed to playing with a low post threat, which means they should problay play better with Gasol or Bynum when they run with the 2nd squad. Also, Curry should make Bynum a better post defender. Curry and Jeffries should not be in the rotation but should be extra depth in case of injuries or foul trouble.

Ridding ourselves of Walton, Radmanovic and Farmar (and hopefully Vujacic too) open up spots at the wing positions and pointguard for us to cheaply sign players that fill obvious needs of leadership, defensive versatility, spot up jumpshooting, and toughness.

Guys like Kidd, Damien Wilkins, Luther Head, Kyle Weaver, Shaun Livingston, Charlie Bell, and many others should be available for next to nothing.

I'd start with signing Kidd and then seeing what you can get for Vujacic (a bad defensive mix w/Kidd IMO--he can ONLY guard 2s, w/Kidd we need guys that can guard multiple positions).

[ALL HAIL]

THis off season:

Vujacic for Kyle Weaver and Damien Wilikins.

Lakers get a backup three who can guard all skill positions and hit the three in Wilkins and a backup PG/defender in Weaver.

Thunder get a shooter with a very reasonable contract.

PG - Kidd-Livingston-Weaver (all big PGs who can guard 2s)
SG - Bryant-Fisher-Head (all guys who can guard PGs)
C - Bynum-Curry-Mbenga (a low post threat on both units)
PF - Gasol-Odom-Powell (business as usual)
SF - Ariza-Wilkins-Jeffries (defense, defense, defense)

[Jajwanda]

Anybody have any idea how much Farmar+a 1st+plus cash could fetch as far as a draft pick goes?

[biggamejames2]

out of curiosity has anyone thought about the possibility of a deisel return? If Bynum really is out (god forbid) for the season we have the same problem we had last year which is no big presence in the middle. Shaq wouldn't need to play that many minutes because of our depth and he would bring the inside presence we'd lose in Drew. I know Shaq's contract is almost up are there any deals that would make sense? He's been all over Kobe's jock in the media lately and has said he'd like to finish his career here in LA where he built it. Thoughts?

[ALL HAIL]

we could definitely use shaq, but phx won't do it especially after bynum's injury.

we still have enough bigs to be extremely competitive, but we need to be MUCH tougher at the 3 and rid ourselves of walton and radman's contracts at the same time.

that being said I might seriously consider that ny trade without farmar RIGHT NOW:

walton, radman, and mihm
for
curry, and jeffries

this moves improves our defense at the three and allows us to have the flexibility to further improve that position over the summer.

the way I see it, any opportunity to dump walton and radman is a good thing. even if it means getting back eddy curry who at this point would only get about 13 minutes backing up gasol at center and would be completely out of the rotation when bynum returns.

I'd much rather waste money on a position of strength for one player (curry) than wasting money on a position of need for two players (walton and radman) who are liabilities against pierce or lebron and whereby, because of their presence, there isn't any room to improve that sf position.

with walton and radman gone we can promote ariza and give his backup minutes to vujacic, jeffries, and odom in the interim and then sign or trade for additional help in the offseason (Kidd, Wilkins, Weaver, Livingston, and Head).

[Jajwanda]

Curry would probably be at this strongest in the triangle. The way you tell him to play is that we're going to give you the damn ball to score underneath and Odom will play next to you for the majority of your minutes with Gasol-Powell also playing.

I know he's not in shape but that can change fairly quickly and all I'm asking are 15 mpg. It was only two years ago after all that in a slow-down paced system he was really putting up the points. If you're lucky and people see that he's not (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and useless he may opt out eventually (next year if not this year).

Worst comes to worst, although you've paid more money you've ended the Lakers due contracts right around 2012. That'll be a major bonus for the Lakers in the future.

Walton+Mihm+Mbenga+Yue could net Curry. New York would save about 6m or so in the Summer of LeBron to spend which could easily be the difference between signing a player the level of Steve Nash to a player the level of Joe Johnson or Chris Bosh to pair with LeBron.

The Lakers would end up paying only slightly more over the long-term assuming that we're in the luxury tax in the future (we would be with Luke anyway with Kobe, Bynum, Gasol, plus say Farmar, Ariza, and Odom quite posssibly). The benefit would be that we get out of that far more quickly and I think with time you may see Curry become a somewhat reasonable asset giving him the ball in garbage time.

[ALL HAIL]

you gotta dump radmanovic too ... swap for jared jeffries.

Jeffries is not a space cadet ... quite the opposite when healthy (capital WHEN) and a smart verstatile defender as well. Jeffries may not be the long term answer at SF but he could do very well in spot duty.

Long story short he's less of an overall liability and can DEFINITELY HELP in guarding Lebron pr Pierce.

Walton, Radman, and Mihm for Curry and Jeffries.

You're dead on about Curry though, he needs a fresh start.

[Jajwanda]

Jeffries has no shot for spacing though. His defensive pluses are completely mitigated because he shoots us in the foot when we play Boston who with their zone would love to see yet another guy they can ignore on the perimeter.

[ALL HAIL]

how do you think we get away with the exact same thing you're talking about with Walton and Ariza in our CURRENT lineup. His shot does suck but it hasn't always and I think he could serve as a good defensive specialist.

Would you rather have another guy with Kobe and Ariza who can guard perimeter elite or
VLADIMIR RADMANOVIC. Radaman can shoot but Vujacic and Fisher can man the designated shooter roles aptly, I'd rather have a guy who can guard a lot of positions and play with intelligence (Walton with real physical ability and the ability to defend).

Walton and Jeffries are markedly similiar. Walton passes better (Jeffries no slouch though), and Jeffries can guard just about every position on the floor. Both can't shoot, one is a starter, the other I am proposing play spot duty.

We gotta dump both these dudes (DEADWEIGHT) for New York's deadweight.

bang, bang

[richboy]

out of curiosity has anyone thought about the possibility of a deisel return? If Bynum really is out (god forbid) for the season we have the same problem we had last year which is no big presence in the middle. Shaq wouldn't need to play that many minutes because of our depth and he would bring the inside presence we'd lose in Drew. I know Shaq's contract is almost up are there any deals that would make sense? He's been all over Kobe's jock in the media lately and has said he'd like to finish his career here in LA where he built it. Thoughts?

I think Odom Vlad for Shaq makes sense for teams. I don't see it happening. One Bynum would have to no question be out for the year. How would you handle this next year. You might have to play Bynum and Shaq together which I not sure is a good thing. You may have to do that this year if Bynum came back.

I say see what you can get for Vlad or Odom.

Names that might be available.

Realistic

Jeff Foster
Darko
Rasho
DeSagana Diop

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tougher to get

Rasheed Wallace
Jermaine O'neal
Shaq

[mapko81]

How about Odom, Mihm and Ariza for Jermaine O'Neal and Jamario Moon?

[richboy]

I wouldn't throw in Ariza just for JO. If Ariza is in the deal you should be getting back a long term player in return.

[Jajwanda]

Odom and Mihm for Jermaine O'Neal would solve quite a few issues if Buss is willing to pay the cost. He'd be the defensive anchor we need, a solid rebounder, he has a jumper to space the floor, and he has enough bulk that he can hold up to Cs such as Perkins or at least help Gasol against those guys.

I'd do the trade if Buss is willing to pay the cost. Even when Bynum returns he'll be extremely useful against Boston.

[mapko81]

I wouldn't throw in Ariza just for JO. If Ariza is in the deal you should be getting back a long term player in return.

I think the only way the salaries can match is if Ariza is included. Jamario Moon for Ariza is almost a wash. One athletic defender for another. Both are free agents in the off-season, but Moon is restricted which would make him a bit more valuable.

[Maritimer]

Odom/Walton/Mihm for JO/Humphries works as well.

[TylersLakers]

Would you guys be opposed to this deal? I know, I would like it.

Chris Mihm, DJ Mbenga, 2nd round pick to Detroit for Kwame Brown.

PG: Derek Fisher/ Jordan Farmar/
SG: Kobe Bryant/ Sasha Vujacic/ Sun Yue
SF: Luke Walton/ Trevor Ariza/ Vladimir Radmanovic
PF: (Pau Gasol)/ Lamar Odom/ Josh Powell/
C: (Andrew Bynum)/ Pau Gasol/ Kwame Brown

Kwame knows the offense and regardless of what anyone says, he still is a very good man defender on the block. He's more toughness and another defensive player to throw at Garnett, Duncan, Yao, etc.

[mecxi2000]

to be honest i dont think we need another center i can live with gasol playing 35-38 mpg and mihn playing the rest i have a biggr problem with odom playing more than 30 mpg so i think we need mora a back up p.f. than a back up center and i think somebody as noccioni would be perfect for us because he can play p.f., he can defend the big strong s.f.(lebron and perce) and he can shoot the 3 pointer as good as radmanovic so why not try to get him. A radmanovic and sun yue for noccioni is a trade htat helps both teams

[mapko81]

Nocioni has a bad contract, that is his biggest drawback. You can't really depend on him to defend PFs either. He's a good 6th man to have though, no doubt about that. And he is better than Radmanovic at this point, so I can't imagine Chicago being too crazy about taking on Rad's bad contract in exchange. LA could probably get Noce for an expiring (Mihm or Ariza).

Kwame is a good insurance policy at PF/C, but he is exactly that for Detroit too. Can't imagine they would give him up for nothing useful.

[The Duke]

JO/Moon for Odom/Ariza ... works in the Trade Checker

Toronto says Yes