Long Term Plan? (merged threads)

[go'stags]

After seeing that quote, I'd like to hang on to Blatche for another year.

His main issue is his immaturity. He had a ton of fellow young guys who loved to joke around, just like him.

But now we'v seen McGuire mature this year and really start to develop. Critt is going in the right direction. Young appears to be heading the same way. I don't really have any idea about McGee, you hear conflicting things.

With all those guys getting serious, Blatche may run out of people to goof off with, and not want to be left behind and get it together. We'll see.

[nate33]

Of all our young players, Blatche is the furthest behind mentally. If he was a first or second year guy I'd say keep him. But he's 23 and a 4 year veteran. Continuing to subsidize his clueless-ness is like continuing to breast feed an 8 year old who doesn't want to chew food.

I'm officially done with him, regardless of his upside. He's never going to reach his potential, so let's use him to dump salary and move on.

Rico, you've been "officially done" with Blatche for 6 months now.

[LyricalRico]

^ (In best Billy Crystal voice) Before I was only MOSTLY officially done with him. Now I'm ALL officially done with him.

[nate33]

If the Wizards get Griffin, then I think the plan should be to pretty much stand pat this offseason. Buy out Etan (hopefully saving a couple of million in the process) and draft BPA in the 2nd round (Danny Green). Hopefully, we can also give Pecherov away to an under-the-cap team or a team with a TPE. We would start out the season with this lineup:

PG Arenas/Crittenton/James
SG DMac/Young/Stevenson
SF Butler/DMac/D.Green
PF Jamison/Griffin/Songaila
C Haywood/Blatche/McGee

As the season wears on, Griffin should adjust to the NBA and McGee and Young should continue to improve. That'll open up the option of using Blatche to dump Stevenson's salary at the Trade Deadline. Ideally, we package Blatche with Stevenson to an under-the-cap team or a team with a TPE. That, combined with Etan's buyout and the Pecherov savings should get us under the luxtax this year while freeing up all the room we need to resign Haywood and DMac in 2010. We can also explore buying out James, but if the luxtax is no longer an issue, we'd probably keep him as an emergency backup through the rest of the season.

We finish out the season with the following 9-man rotation:
PG Arenas/Crittenton
SG DMac/Young
SF Butler/Jamison
PF Jamison/Griffin
C Haywood/McGee
Emergency Depth: Songaila, James, Green

By next year, we move Griffin into the starting rotation and either move Jamison to 6th man or go big with Butler at SG and Jamison at SF. Either way, that's a seriously talented and deep team that has no luxtax concerns going forward.

[Severn Hoos]

duh.


The long term plan should be obvious:


1. All Wiz fans join PETA. (Stick with me here.)

2. Write lots of angry letters denouncing the NBA for murdering animals to make the traditional leather balls.

3. Take out adds in the newspaper (oh wait, no one reads those any more) - um, during Wiz broadcasts, on the radio, and internet pop-ups decrying the use of leather for basketballs.

4. Start a petition drive to have the NBA switch back to the synthetic ball.

5. Voila! The return of the Hibachi.

So simple. sheesh....

[pancakes3]

is stevenson's contract really that bad? 2 more years of sub 5-mil money. I think he actually has a decent shot to return to the starting SG role next season much to our collective chagrin because of his conventional size and skill set.

If we get Griffin, the salary that we should look to shed is actually Songaila's since he'll be buried behind AJ, Griffin, Blatche, and Dmac on the depth chart. Clearing up the logjam there by dealing Blatche/DSong for a backup 2/3 like Wilson Chandler, Anthony Morrow, Travis Outlaw, or Mike Miller would nicely balance out the roster.

Arenas/Critt
Young/Morrow
Butler/DMac
AJ/Griffin
Haywood/McGee

I just a tad worry that this plan hinges almost entirely on McGee developing into a serviceable backup Center.

ps, any statwork done on the ppg of synthetic/non-synthetic?

[LyricalRico]

is stevenson's contract really that bad? 2 more years of sub 5-mil money. I think he actually has a decent shot to return to the starting SG role next season much to our collective chagrin because of his conventional size and skill set.

In a vacuum, I think his deal is decent. But with the Wiz $7-8M over the luxury tax for the next two seasons, it makes it worse. Same with Songaila, and even Blatche IMO. Those are the three guys who are the most expendable IMO when it comes to creating longterm cap savings, which is why most trades try to dump at least one of them.

[Dat2U]

is stevenson's contract really that bad? 2 more years of sub 5-mil money. I think he actually has a decent shot to return to the starting SG role next season much to our collective chagrin because of his conventional size and skill set.

In a vacuum, I think his deal is decent. But with the Wiz $7-8M over the luxury tax for the next two seasons, it makes it worse. Same with Songaila, and even Blatche IMO. Those are the three guys who are the most expendable IMO when it comes to creating longterm cap savings, which is why most trades try to dump at least one of them.

I disagree strongly on Blatche. I'm certainly not against trading him but he's an actual asset. You just don't dump a contributing 23 yr old, skilled big on a cheap contract.

I could see packaging him in a deal to get an upgrade, but as pancakes3 alluded to does it make alot of sense to sacrifice an "asset" to save $7-8 million over two years? I want DeShawn & Darius gone more than anyone else. I've pushed the idea of trading them instead of Etan & James, but not at any price.

[Blame Rasho]

Do you see the Wizards doing a salary dump with( Jamison/Butler) ala Camby in the offseason to avoid the lux tax?

[hands11]

Good to see Critt's assists numbers were higher than his points, career-high eight. Do you think he will become your starting point guard at some point in the future?

It is possible. Lets see what he can add this summer.

[MJG]

Do you see the Wizards doing a salary dump with( Jamison/Butler) ala Camby in the offseason to avoid the lux tax?

We could have traded either or both for expiring contracts during the season and didn't. If we didn't do it then, I can't imagine that we'll do it now.

[closg00]

I am wondering if Brendan is on a trajectory for playing himself out of the Wiz price-range for contract renewal?

[BigA]

I am wondering if Brendan is on a trajectory for playing himself out of the Wiz price-range for contract renewal?

If he's on a trajectory for prime Mutombo or something near that, then yes. Short of that, I'm not sure.

Given the likely economic condition of the league and various franchises, the likely decline in the lux tax limit, and so forth, one has to ask who is going to be in a position to pay MLE+ money to a mid-career, primarily defensive center who isn't a gate attraction, and isn't perceived by the rest of the league (fans at least) as being above average at the position.

[TheSecretWeapon]

Do you see the Wizards doing a salary dump with( Jamison/Butler) ala Camby in the offseason to avoid the lux tax?

No.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

After seeing that quote, I'd like to hang on to Blatche for another year.

His main issue is his immaturity. He had a ton of fellow young guys who loved to joke around, just like him.

But now we'v seen McGuire mature this year and really start to develop. Critt is going in the right direction. Young appears to be heading the same way. I don't really have any idea about McGee, you hear conflicting things.

With all those guys getting serious, Blatche may run out of people to goof off with, and not want to be left behind and get it together. We'll see.

+1

The guy won't be 23 until August. Next season the Wizards will be MUCH better.

As a player, Blatche is a big man who knows how to pass to high flying McGee and who has some real nifty handles and very solid post moves. He's at least average as a rebounder and a shot blocker. Unfortunately, he cannot finish with authority. He tries to do too many cute things with the ball. His jumper's nowhere near as reliable as what he thinks. All things considered, at 6-11 and on a great contract, I view Blatche as an asset.

He's a solid player who I only worry about due to his off-the-court stuff.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

is stevenson's contract really that bad? 2 more years of sub 5-mil money. I think he actually has a decent shot to return to the starting SG role next season much to our collective chagrin because of his conventional size and skill set.

In a vacuum, I think his deal is decent. But with the Wiz $7-8M over the luxury tax for the next two seasons, it makes it worse. Same with Songaila, and even Blatche IMO. Those are the three guys who are the most expendable IMO when it comes to creating longterm cap savings, which is why most trades try to dump at least one of them.

I disagree strongly on Blatche. I'm certainly not against trading him but he's an actual asset. You just don't dump a contributing 23 yr old, skilled big on a cheap contract.

I could see packaging him in a deal to get an upgrade, but as pancakes3 alluded to does it make alot of sense to sacrifice an "asset" to save $7-8 million over two years? I want DeShawn & Darius gone more than anyone else. I've pushed the idea of trading them instead of Etan & James, but not at any price.

Darius has grown on me. Aside from Etan and James, I just want Stephenson gone, and only then because I believe Dom's rebounding, passing, and low-key approach work better at SG.

[hands11]

PER UPDATE



Haywood numbers are on the rise. He is getting closer to where he was last year.

I don't know a ton about how this PER works but I find it very interesting that DMACs number is so low
and OPs and McGee are so high.

I guess they are productive for the short minutes they are out there.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/sta ... 48&split=0

So PER doesn't tell the whole story.

DMac has a lot more of a clue then OP and McGee.
Haywood is obviously a lot better the McGee or OP.

But what really stands out are OPs numbers for 48min. Look at the points and rebounds.
If OP was any defensive force at PF, the kid may just be able to play this game.

[nate33]

You can't rely on the numbers for Pecherov. The guy has played less than 250 minutes this season, almost exclusively during garbage time. I'm not saying he sucks, I'm just saying that the numbers aren't demonstrable evidence that he's any good.

McGuire's PER is low because McGuire doesn't score or shoot that well. PER is heavily influenced by scoring, particularly scoring with efficiency. McGuire is one of the better position defenders on the team. Unfortunately, PER doesn't measure position defense at all because the box score stats don't measure position defense.

[closg00]

Pops is horrible. Some of you guys wanted to waste a roster spot on this dude?

..and then there are facts from last nights game:

Min Reb Ast TO Stl BS Pts
Pops 20:11 12 1 1 5 0 9
D-Mac 32:10 9 3 3 1 1 4

Pops was so horrible that he was MORE-EFFECTIVE than D-Mac in less time.

Next year, D-Mac will not be playing the starter minutes that he is now. Given the very, limited minutes that will be available next year, it was the contention of some here that those minutes should go to someone who could play good defense, and always be a threat to score/shoot if our go-to guys were locked-up - everyone outside the C position should be able to fill-it-up.

I appreciate D-Macs great progress and would love to keep him were there enough slots, but given the tight roster and limited minutes, I'd like to see someone there with more offensive capabilities.

[fishercob]

Pops is horrible. Some of you guys wanted to waste a roster spot on this dude?

..and then there are facts from last nights game:

Min Reb Ast TO Stl BS Pts
Pops 20:11 12 1 1 5 0 9
D-Mac 32:10 9 3 3 1 1 4

Pops was so horrible that he was MORE-EFFECTIVE than D-Mac in less time.

Next year, D-Mac will not be playing the starter minutes that he is now. Given the very, limited minutes that will be available next year, it was the contention of some here that those minutes should go to someone who could play good defense, and always be a threat to score/shoot if our go-to guys were locked-up - everyone outside the C position should be able to fill-it-up.

I appreciate D-Macs great progress and would love to keep him were there enough slots, but given the tight roster and limited minutes, I'd like to see someone there with more offensive capabilities.

I don't see how anyone can look at this roster and say, "what we need is more offense." There's more than enough offense here that if D_Mac can contribute well in other areas, his sub-standard offense is more than excusable.