Trading Ginobli

[wizardg]

I'm hearing #5, Blatche, and James

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If I could (still) get Vince C for expirings then I'd consider it.

[Snip]

Wizards fan here. While I think Manu has been a fabulous player, his injuries are a major concern plus he will turn 32 in July. If the Wizards are determined to trade for Manu, this is what I'd like them to give up. Please comment from a Spurs perspective.

5th pick
Mike James (expiring 2010)
Deshawn Stevenson
Oleksei Pecherov (filler)

for
Manu Ginobili
George Hill

Notice there is no Blatche offered in this deal. If this is a deal-breaker, then perhaps there is a way to tweak it to include Blatche but give the Wizards a little more value as well. I lived in New Braunfels for a year so the Spurs are my second favorite team. I don't know that I would make this trade unless I was confident that Manu is close to being done and/or there is someone available at the 5th pick the Spurs believe will be a high quality player.

I highly doubt spurs will just 'throw' in george hill. They feel highly of him if anything or what if they threw in Kurt Thomas?

[Telfaire]

How do you feel about Jamison, McGuire and the rights to Harden for Manu?

[Benjammin]

How do you feel about Jamison, McGuire and the rights to Harden for Manu?

Uh, that would be a big fat "no" from the Wizards. Basically most Wizards fans are lukewarm on the idea to begin with, but adding anything much of value beyond the 5th pick really turns them off. The most I think Wizards fans would consider (most would not be in favor of it) would be the 5th pick, Nick Young, and filler for Ginobili.

As to the George Hill thing, I was adding him because that was the latest rumor plus it does at least give the Wizards a young guy in the likelihood that Ginobili is damaged goods plus he's a free agent in 2010. But I can readily understand how Spurs fans would not want to part with George Hill. Without Hill, it would have to be a straight 5th pick and expirings (maybe Nick Young) for Ginobili and not an iota more.

[ss1986v2]

im just not sure theres a deal here that is going to please both sides. i think the value that the wiz would want and the value the spurs would expect back are probably too far apart.

if harden is still on the board (which i highly doubt he would be), id be interested in most any of the proposed deals. then again, im not sure why the wiz wouldnt just select harden. if hes not, i dont know if id be happy unless something else was coming the spurs way. especially if hill is also being involved. id probably want one of young or blatche, while eating one of washingtons contracts. that probably seems a bit greedy to some wiz fans, but thats about the min value id expect from manu. anything less, and id rather just stick with him.

[Nolan]

Honestly as a Spurs fan I wouldn't do this deal for two reasons. There's no one at 5 that interests me enough to deal Manu and all this team needs are some minor teaks and additions, we don't need to do anything drastic yet we're still one of the elite teams in the west and trading Manu would basically put an end to that. Managment has said over and over that this team will be in a win now mode until Duncan retires and when he retires thats when we'll start rebuilding, so I really don't think this deal is going to get done.

[mnkinga23]

There has been a lot of talk about trading Manu in other trade threads. I was wondering how may people think he should be traded and what you think the spurs should get in return. I know there is a trade thread with 50 responses, but this just dealing with Ginobli.

Do you think we can trade manu/oberto/bowen and get Shaq and a first rounder from Phoenix this year? The money works, and we could ride shaq for a year and then have 20 mill in cap room next year to sign someone like Bosh or a different young big.

Manu, Oberto, and Bowen's contracts all expire after next year and Phoenix doesn't have a first round pick (given to OKC in the Kurt Thomas trade). R.C. Buford kinda had next year in mind as the end of the run for this permutation of the Spurs by having only Parker and Duncan under contract beyond 2009/10. I only see the front office doing something cosmetic during the offseason to this roster but for the most part, they'll be waiting until next summer to make significant moves.

[WizarDynasty]

if we don't get him now, EG will get him when he becomes a free agent in a year lol. Just like he did with Songalia.

[Wizardspride]

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As I've stated before, this time of year, there are several rumors that get floated around, names get mentioned, people start to get in a tizzy. One minute it's Ricky Rubio, then it's Amare Stoudemire, then it's Josh Howard. Now, the latest is talk about the Washington Wizards having a deal on the table for Manu Ginobili for a package involving the No. 5 pick.

The website, Hoopsworld, has a purely speculative story about it and now it's all over the Internet. I still don't know what the big deal is. Until I see something meaty, there really is no need to overreact.

From what I hear, this is what went down: The San Antonio Spurs contacted the Wizards to inquire about what it what it would take to get the fifth pick. The Wizards' response was Ginobili -- and that was the end of the discussion. That's not exactly a trade proposal or a deal on the table.

Other than Ginobili the Spurs really don't have much to offer. As one team source told me, "They don't have a thing for [No.] 5."

The San Antonio Express News' Buck Harvey wrote a column this week in which Spurs Coach Gregg Popovich said the team is not considering moving Ginobili, although his ankle injury has derailed San Antonio's past two postseason runs and he will be a free agent in 2010. Popovich said, "People get in trouble when they say never. But Manu Ginobili is someone I cannot envision trading. He has been such a huge part of our heart and soul; people like that are hard to come by. You don't even think about trading somebody like that. I can't imagine a scenario where he would be traded."

The Wizards know this, which why they made that reply. Does the mean that Ginobili won't be traded? No. The Wizards have made it pretty clear that they are open to moving the pick. So, rest assured, this will not be the last trade rumor between now and June 25.

[Blame Rasho]

Thanks for the info and link

[bishopospurs]

I read on fannation (though unreliable as it is) that the trade is essentially Etan Thomas/Nick Young/5th pick for Ginobli/Oberto. No mention of George Hill. I am not looking to get Nick Young. If it was Blatche instead of Nick Young I would be more into it.

The thing i don't understand in all these post is the reluctance to get rid of Ginobli out of loyalty is tough because it is a business. We did get rid of Sean Elliot for a year or two to get Dennis Rodman. Sean came back, we could get Ginobli back next off season. He is past his prime and though his value is at an all time low it isn't going to be getting higher. Duncan is more important to us, Ginobli just isn't and will never be.

[MagnusPinus]

I read on fannation (though unreliable as it is) that the trade is essentially Etan Thomas/Nick Young/5th pick for Ginobli/Oberto. No mention of George Hill. I am not looking to get Nick Young. If it was Blatche instead of Nick Young I would be more into it.

The thing i don't understand in all these post is the reluctance to get rid of Ginobli out of loyalty is tough because it is a business. We did get rid of Sean Elliot for a year or two to get Dennis Rodman. Sean came back, we could get Ginobli back next off season. He is past his prime and though his value is at an all time low it isn't going to be getting higher. Duncan is more important to us, Ginobli just isn't and will never be.

yes yes... ginobili is not important.. so why spurs lost in first round without him?? And why they lost to the lakers with ginobili playing injured..It is hard to admit but gino is as important as duncan for these spurs.. Him, Parker and Duncan are the 3 leaders of the team, and all 3 have the same importance to success. U can't deny it.

[MagnusPinus]

I read on fannation (though unreliable as it is) that the trade is essentially Etan Thomas/Nick Young/5th pick for Ginobli/Oberto. No mention of George Hill. I am not looking to get Nick Young. If it was Blatche instead of Nick Young I would be more into it.

The thing i don't understand in all these post is the reluctance to get rid of Ginobli out of loyalty is tough because it is a business. We did get rid of Sean Elliot for a year or two to get Dennis Rodman. Sean came back, we could get Ginobli back next off season. He is past his prime and though his value is at an all time low it isn't going to be getting higher. Duncan is more important to us, Ginobli just isn't and will never be.

yes yes... ginobili is not important.. so why spurs lost in first round without him?? And why they lost to the lakers with ginobili playing injured..It is hard to admit but gino is as important as duncan for these spurs.. Him, Parker and Duncan are the 3 leaders of the team, and all 3 have the same importance to success. U can't deny it.

[bishopospurs]

I am sorry, but no way is Ginobli as important as Duncan. Duncan is one of the greatest big men to ever play the game, and even though he is aging his game is based on fundamental basketball not athleticism. That means Duncan will be able to make a difference at an older age than Ginobli. Plus the spurs still managed 50 wins this season because Mason and George Hill stepped up. Even the October without Parker George Hill saved us. If Duncan goes down who saves the spurs?! Oberto? Thomas? Gooden? I don't think so.

Should the spurs be able to get fair value in a trade for Ginobli he is the weakest link. I do agree as the roster stands if the spurs lose one of them they lose in the playoffs. When trades happen in the NBA it is usually to improve your team, unless you are the Grizzlies dealing to the Lakers, that means that the spurs would be looking to get a young difference maker to start to get ready for the post Duncan Era, not post Ginobli Era.

[MagnusPinus]

Ginobili is a legend for this team.. stop talking like that please.. U don't evenknow who u are talking about.. Manu will be remembered as one of the legendary players in the game.

[MagnusPinus]

Ginobili is a legend for this team.. stop talking like that please.. U don't evenknow who u are talking about.. Manu will be remembered as one of the legendary players in the game.

[bishopospurs]

I very much respect what Ginobli has done for the spurs, if I had to pick my top five favorite spurs he is definitely 4th, Parker could take that depending how the rest of his career plays out, but as of right now it is Robinson, Duncan, Gervin, Ginobli, Parker. I definitely respect Ginobli, but you are arguing that he will be better remembered than TIm Duncan?! Duncan is a former MVP, perennial all star/nba first team defensive player of the year. Duncan is arguably the best power forward to ever and mean ever shoot a basketball. Is Ginobli even in the top ten discussion when it comes to shooting guards? Does anyone else on this board think that Ginobli has a better legacy than Duncan?

[MagnusPinus]

Ginobili will be an hall of famer.. It's safe to say that everything starts with Duncan, but without Manu td would not have won all his titles.. especially the one with the pistons.. Manu was the true MVP.
U just get fooled by the numbers.. manu in regular season always preserved.. in the playoff was a monster.. PLus he is the most winning player alive in all competitions, so u can't trade a legend in basketball.. U simply can't do it. It's like trading Maradona.

[MagnusPinus]

Ginobili will be an hall of famer.. It's safe to say that everything starts with Duncan, but without Manu td would not have won all his titles.. especially the one with the pistons.. Manu was the true MVP.
U just get fooled by the numbers.. manu in regular season always preserved.. in the playoff was a monster.. PLus he is the most winning player alive in all competitions, so u can't trade a legend in basketball.. U simply can't do it. It's like trading Maradona.

[Donald Kaufman]

No doubt Manu is a fantastic player but there are no titles or Finals appearances without Duncan. It's just that simple.

I agree that it would be stupid to trade him though. He brings too many things to the team, when healthy.