Wiz trade 5th pick to Minnesota

[LyricalRico]

Can you trade players so quickly after being traded? I thought you had to wait until December or something.

After a trade has been completed, you can trade any of the individual players in another deal at any time. But you cannot package them with another player for 60 days.

[80sballboy]

The draft is all about the future, unless you're taking Blake. The rest will need a year or two at least to make a big impact. We don't have the time for that.

I do something else coming. Too many guards. Too few bigs. We have the need for a physical power forward. Desperately.

[yungal07]

I gotta side with barely & CCJ on this one. I don't like the trade all that much.

My theory on NBA trades is pretty simple and is a tried and true measure. Whoever gets the best player in the deal gets the better of the trade.

Can any of you honestly say that Mike Miller or Randy Foye are and will be better than anyone we could have drafted at #5?

For all you James Harden fans, alot of you are the same folks touting this trade, are you suggesting that he would have never equalled what Mike Miller or Randy Foye is today?

Both Miller & Foye are considered offensive minded players. Neither is known for their defense. However Miller's PER last year was 13.84 and Foye's PER was 13.76. So what does that tell us if the league average 15.00 and PER is considered the best way of measuring a players productiveness?

I believe we needed quality talent NOT quantity. To me its about a team filling out its rotation, instead of attempting to add an impact player.

Unless you can convince me that Miller & Foye are the final pieces to a championship puzzle, I have trouble viewing this as a good deal for the Wizards.

You also have to consider the financial ramifications of this trade. EG was up against the tax and had to do something to alleviate that burden (although I do think it's his fault the team is in bad shape cap-wise).

Talentwise, I think it's an improvement. Will the #5 be better than Miller or Foye next season? More than likely not. Actually, Id say hell no, especially considering that the top 4 is pretty much solidified. #5 was a crapshoot and there's a definite possibility that Foye ends up better than the #5 pick -- that kid is not finished developing yet.

Etan Thomas was useless. I liked Song but he made too much money for too long. Pech was never going to develop on this team. The way I look at it, the trade is Curry+Thomas+Pech+Song for Miller + Foye. That is a good trade for the Wizards. Not sexy, and it's not going to win us a championship, but it's a good trade.

[MJG]

Ernie cant be finished just yet. Our perimeter is absolutely flooded now with Young, Dmac, James, Deshaw, Critt, Miller and Foye all expecting minutes. And we have next to zero frontcourt depth with Darius and Opec gone.

This is exactly the instant feeling I got when finding out the news on here. There is a little too much depth at the back court. It's a good issue to have though. I love the options Washington has now.

It's not really what I'd call real depth though. Outside of Arenas and Miller (assuming last year truly was an aberration and not the start of a downward trend), all of those guys are below average players. So it may technically be depth, but I don't know that I'd call it "good".

[Myth]

Hey Wizard fans, I have 2 quick question: What do you guys think the starting line-up will be now that you guys have Arenas, Foye, Miller, Butler, and Jameson? Do you think that this trade means another trade (such as Miller being repackaged or Butler going out)?

Thanks.

[Wizards2Lottery]

So we go 19 and 63 to get Mike frickin Miller and Randy Foye

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I actually like Foye but damn I was still holding out hope for Amare

[no D in Hibachi]

man....imagine if next year we managed to get one of those major free agents (Bosh, Amare, etc.). We'd be pretty damn deep. I mean this trade drastically improves our bench whether or not you want to admit it. I guess, like others, I'm warming up to this trade. I mean, look, the #5 pick in a crappy draft isnt getting you Dwayne Wade

It'd be almost impossible to sign Amare or Bosh unless EG can trade DeShawn and Jamison for expirings, and then re-up Foye to a 4-5m per year deal. I've given up hope on replacing Jamison with any PF of value. This has to be the year that Blatche shows us something. He's had PER's of 15+ the past two seasons. He's going to be playing with a lot of play makers this season, presumably healthy, which should help. However, once again the season hinges on whether Blatche can put it together or not. On a bright note, it's good to hear he's been working hard this summer =.

[Soup's Uncle]

I love this pick. This makes our team better, we have young guys, I'd hate to add another young guy that will take a few years to develop.

[Devilzsidewalk]

This Washington team is every bit as talented and deeper than last year's Orlando team. Nothing is guaranteed, but all you can ask for is an opportunity and it's definitely there.

[Optms]

Hey Wizard fans, I have 2 quick question: What do you guys think the starting line-up will be now that you guys have Arenas, Foye, Miller, Butler, and Jameson? Do you think that this trade means another trade (such as Miller being repackaged or Butler going out)?

Thanks.

I have to believe there is another trade coming, but as it stands now. My guess would be something along the lines of:

Arenas
Miller
Butler
Jamison
Haywood

Mike Miller at the two simply because he's already a better player defensively than Young is and an overall upgrade over Stevenson. Stevenson needs to go I think. Foye I think is too small to start along side Arenas for a full season. He would be a liability against taller guards.

[Wizards2Lottery]

Also, I believe another trade is in the works. Hopefully to get DeBrick out of here. He's easily the 2nd worst guard on the roster. Ship him and Mike James out and were good.

[MJG]

You also have to consider the financial ramifications of this trade. EG was up against the tax and had to do something to alleviate that burden (although I do think it's his fault the team is in bad shape cap-wise).

Salaries for next year:

Miller - $9.8
Foye - $3.6

Etan - $7.4
Songaila - $4.5
OPec - $1.4

It's almost exactly salary neutral. We do save the $2.7~ million (x2 because of the luxury tax) of the fifth pick, but that's it. So not a lot of help there.

And everyone in the deal expires after this year except Songaila, who will make about $4.8 million the next season. I suppose we did shave that off, along with the $3 million we'd be paying for our pick, for about $7.8 million total. The thing is though, unless we intend on letting Foye and Miller walk, that money is likely going to be sucked up by resigning them.

All in all, there's really not much financial gain out of this deal at all that I can see.

[JWizmentality]

Don't know why some of you are sooo pissed. I'm sorry but Miller + Foye >>>> than anyone we could have gotten at 5. Some of you need to drop the Amare pipe dream. Dude had a f***ked up eye and wasn't signed. Plus Kerr wanted us to throw in Butler. **** that ****. Ernie aint done dealing. I'm interested to see what becomes of Young.

[Wizards2Lottery]

Anyone think we will package Young in a deal to unload Stevenson now? We've been hearing a lot of positive press about Young...

[verbal8]

I am not thrilled with the deal, but it is good to get some immediate help. I would have loved the trade if the Wizards could have gotten a late first rounder. There has been some mention of salary/roster spot for the pick, but they could go foreign and let the player stay with their current team.

[omegatronic3]

I only like this if we get one of Minnesotas later 1st round picks so we can grab a guy like Maynor..or even the Earl Clark dude.

Mike Miller is certainly no SG...who knows why they play him at 2 but he's a prototype 3. Foye I don't know too much about other than that hes a combo guard but is probably an upgrade over any of our other pgs. He can probably play minutes with Arenas as interchangeable parts.

This certainly give us two very capable rotation guys and makes us better..but it doesnt make a huge difference. Pecherov was never gonna do anything and good riddance to ET. Songaila will be missed but not a huge loss.

Im a little dissapointed because I like the draft night anticipation though.

[WizarDynasty]

all in all, EG did a pretty good job. Getting a player longer than Caron Butler who can also shoot threes. Mike Miller 6'7'5 w/o shoes compared to C. Butler is 6'5.25 w/o shoes. Foye is already the best player we have to guard quick point guards and his lane agility score is on the same level as Dwade's and foye is young so his knee issues hopefully should heal.
If Blatche had a high motor and high motor and more explosiveness when he jumped for rebounds, we would be set. EG definitely fixed alot of errors that he made in the past with this trade for sure.

[no D in Hibachi]

I only like this if we get one of Minnesotas later 1st round picks so we can grab a guy like Maynor..or even the Earl Clark dude.

You're kidding me. The Wiz already have 4 point guards, Arenas, Foye, James, and Critter. No need for another PG.

[P'Oed]

all in all, EG did a pretty good job. Getting a player longer than Caron Butler who can also shoot threes. Mike Miller 6'7'5 w/o shoes compared to C. Butler is 6'5.25 w/o shoes. Foye is already the best player we have to guard quick point guards and his lane agility score is on the same level as Dwade's and foye is young so his knee issues hopefully should heal.
If Blatche had a high motor and high motor and more explosiveness when he jumped for rebounds, we would be set. EG definitely fixed alot of errors that he made in the past with this trade for sure.

your new nickname is Sans Shoes

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I gotta side with barely & CCJ on this one. I don't like the trade all that much.

My theory on NBA trades is pretty simple and is a tried and true measure. Whoever gets the best player in the deal gets the better of the trade.

Can any of you honestly say that Mike Miller or Randy Foye are and will be better than anyone we could have drafted at #5?

For all you James Harden fans, alot of you are the same folks touting this trade, are you suggesting that he would have never equalled what Mike Miller or Randy Foye is today?

Both Miller & Foye are considered offensive minded players. Neither is known for their defense. However Miller's PER last year was 13.84 and Foye's PER was 13.76. So what does that tell us if the league average 15.00 and PER is considered the best way of measuring a players productiveness?

I believe we needed quality talent NOT quantity. To me its about a team filling out its rotation, instead of attempting to add an impact player.

Unless you can convince me that Miller & Foye are the final pieces to a championship puzzle, I have trouble viewing this as a good deal for the Wizards.

Pecherov's PER was 14.5. Per-36 averages of 15.1 points and 9.9 rebounds. An 82.8% FT shooter.

What EG did was draft Javale in the year he could have drafted Chalmers. Pecherov and Blatche both would have played more minutes and put up better stats. Don't get me wrong, I love Javale's ups and potential, but when he came in Pecherov or Blatche should have been traded. (I said draft Millsap, not Pecherov).

I believe Pecherov just helps open up the middle for Jefferson and Love. Imagine Curry at the point shooting threes, Pecherov shooting threes, and AL Jefferson beasting inside. Love will be the ultmate garbage man for the Wolves.

Dat, this might help the Wizards this season but I'm pretty sure Minny got the better of this deal.