Tom Moore 2.0

9th Wonder · Post #141 » by **9th Wonder** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 2:17 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:dont think blazers really want lee.

sixers are pathetic...gonna let miller walk and sign min salary guys later that dont make a difference.

sorry..fan in me venting...but this is ridiculous.

Seconded.

sixerfan1976 · Post #142 » by **sixerfan1976** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 2:23 pm

we just dont have any money...and the low cap fear of next year is totally valid.

seems like we are going to sit this one out and grab some mediocre dudes in late july and early august and spin it as we have an improved team.

tmoore · Post #143 » by **tmoore** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 2:28 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:we just don't have any money...and the low cap fear of next year is totally valid.

seems like we are going to sit this one out and grab some mediocre dudes in late july and early august and spin it as we have an improved team.

That scenario is quite possible.

bebopdeluxe · Post #144 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 2:31 pm

sf76:

Going with the "Lou and Jrue Show" at PG ELIMINATES ANY ABILITY for the Sixers to spin this team as an improvement.

Period.

Since we are going to cheap out and accept the growing pains that come with having our team run on the floor by two guys who - combined - have about 1000 minutes of experience at the college AND NBA level at PG, I am REALLY glad that we took the opportunity when Brand went down for the season back in February to develop our young guys...Iggy the 2 and Thad at the 3...Speights over Evans at PF...more meaningful minutes for Lou at PG...

Wait...we DIDN'T do that last season?

Well...it makes SO much more sense now that Brand is back in the lineup to commit to a youth movement at PG - doesn't it?

Stefanski is a freaking GENIUS.

And THANK GOD Comcast gave Stefanski an "open checkbook".

Gsraider · Post #145 » by **Gsraider** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 2:32 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:seems like we are going to sit this one out and grab some mediocre dudes in late july and early august and spin it as we have an improved team.

They must be out of their minds if they think this will work in terms of filling seats. Even last year, when most of the media was lauding the Brand signing and calling Philly a top 4 team in the East, people didn't come in from the outset. If they do nothing to shake things up this year a little, the diehards will know what the deal is and the regular fan base will listen to the sports media, who will give Philly very little love. This is a foolish strategy all the way around.

bebopdeluxe · Post #146 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 2:37 pm

Gsraider:

What - you don't think that Adonal Foyle and Rodney "DUNKZ HAWD" Carney will put people in the seats?

You know - I'm with Ed Snider...I simply cannot understand why people aren't lining up to "run with" the Sixers. I mean, after all, ownership is pulling out all of the stops to put a winner on the floor...there is EXCELLENT long-term strategic thinking when it comes to coaching and player development...the franchise is one of the brightest stars in the NBA constellation...

It's a puzzler.

76STholder · Post #147 » by **76STholder** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 2:56 pm

Ya'll need to start taking some antidepressants! What a bunch of moaners here! You are talking like the sixers are a bunch of old men on their last legs (ie Celtics) with NO FUTURE. I almost don't want to bother reading here anymore w/ all the complaining.
FACTS:

1. AI9 is one of the BEST players in the league using stats. FACT.

2. Thad has the possiblity of being a superstar. Check out Brian's Depressed Fan if you disagree.

3. Elton Brand is one of 3 Double Double players in the league and is returning this year.

4. Speights has a big upside.

5. Our draft pick, Jrue, who most are giving up on already after watching 2 poorly coached games in the danteandgalante show.

6. Lou has yet to have a training camp as a starter.

7. We have a new coach with the above players.

Lets stop complaining and discuss the Sixers. We have no idea of what the future will be and we should have time to discuss that then.

Johnny Broad-Street · Post #148 » by **Johnny Broad-Street** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:09 pm

76STholder wrote:Ya'll need to start taking some antidepressants! What a bunch of moaners here! You are talking like the sixers are a bunch of old men on their last legs (ie Celtics) with NO FUTURE. I almost don't want to bother reading here anymore w/ all the complaining.
FACTS:

1. AI9 is one of the BEST players in the league using stats. FACT.

2. Thad has the possiblity of being a superstar. Check out Brian's Depressed Fan if you disagree.

3. Elton Brand is one of 3 Double Double players in the league and is returning this year.

4. Speights has a big upside.

5. Our draft pick, Jrue, who most are giving up on already after watching 2 poorly coached games in the danteandgalante show.

6. Lou has yet to have a training camp as a starter.

7. We have a new coach with the above players.

Lets stop complaining and discuss the Sixers. We have no idea of what the future will be and we should have time to discuss that then.

I have to agree here. Other than the decision not to trade Miller at the deadline, there really isn't much we could be doing. You can argue the Brand signing, but none of us have seen enough to know whether or not that will pan out yet. I'm not sure what they could have done that they haven't. This isn't the market to go spending money on junk

bebopdeluxe · Post #149 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:13 pm

Dude, I am discussing the Sixers...I am discussing my EXTREME dissatisfaction with how we handled Andre Miller's situation...I am discussing how poorly we planned for his departure - a departure that was easily predictable and therefore a situation where SMART, ANTICIPATORY planning - like giving more PG minutes to the ONLY point guard that we had locked up under contract for 2009-10 - was CRITICAL...if you thought that there was a reasonable chance that Lou Williams was going to be our starting PG in 2009-10, then WHY THE F*CK wasn't he given more PG minutes last season?

I am discussing the ridiculous inconsistency between going into this season with a RIDICULOUSLY unprepared PG rotation (with the impact that will have on our record and outlook for the season) and the decision last February to throw player development to the wind, play guys out of their natural positions (Iggy at the 3 and Thad at the 4) and ride a horse that is now walking this summer (Miller) with the goal of being 1st round playoff fodder.

All of the things that you are saying about our young talent is true...but the decision to 1) go for the playoffs at all costs last season when Brand was out and then 2) commit to Lou and Jrue this season with Brand back makes no freaking sense...

Does it? Huh?

I've been around here a long time...longer than most. I have dished out my share of Kool-Aid over the years...but I have NEVER been as angry and frustrated at the management and ownership of the Sixers as I am today. And if it does turn out that it is the "Lou and Jrue Show" this season, Stefanski better have the cojones to address why it was worth it to make the playoffs last season when Brand went down (and sacrificing valuable young player development in the process), but it is now OK - with Brand back in the lineup - to commit to a PG rotation that - by any rational standard - looks like a JOKE.

Does that make sense?

Gsraider · Post #150 » by **Gsraider** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:14 pm

Bebop, I could not agree more in that it is a puzzler. The 76ers' marketing team must be salivating at the prospect of selling more season tickets this year. As for 76STHolder, I happen to agree with you on many of your points, which is why I am frustrated that the Sixers haven't been more proactive. This is a team that is unlike some of the lottery dregs we have experienced in year's past.

Philly has some young guns that are exciting and have quite a bit of upside. They have a former all-star who might be able to bounce back. Right now, they are a team that is somewhere around the 5-th8th seed in the conference, but while other team's are making a push, Philly has been silent. I have been following this team for a little over 30 years, so I'm not a fly by night fan. I don't want to see this team do anything stupid, but I do want to see some creativity in an attempt to push this team further. The 76ers are not one of the teams that is waiting for 2010, so they need to build around the core that they have and right now, it's promising, but not good enough.

As for not selling out, that's just a fact. The Sixers were down on attendance last year when optimism was fairly high. Right now, barring even a small change, I can only see that getting worse.

STChaser · Post #151 » by **STChaser** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:27 pm

For the record, I totally agree with Bebo. However, I do see some good coming out of this whole mess. As I've said before, this season should be about experimenting and trying to get a lottery pick so we can land a true franchise level center. Now, with that being said, I don't think we should re-sign Miller. But then the question remains, what the hell are we doing with Brand on our roster if we're not trying to "win it all now"? Answer: he's obviously the odd man out. Hope he performs well and trade him before the deadline for draft picks and hopefully some youth who can blend in with our other players. In the meantime, like I've said before, we need to go with cheap young guys who may or may not amount to something down the road; primarily Rodney Carney and Gerald Green. I don't care if they both end up sucking. Sign them for one year deals and see how they pan out. This season is all about experimenting. We already know that we're not going to win the East so now is the time to tweak things and see what works and what doesn't. Next season's lineup SHOULD be:

PG: Lou, Holiday
SG: Iguodala, Carney
SF: Thaddeus, Gerald Green
PF: Speights, Brand
C: Sam, Smith

Yeah, I know we'll probably suck. And to be honest, that's EXACTLY what I'm hoping for! Bring on that lottery player to man the 5 for the next 10 years. It's the ONLY way it's ever going to happen.

STChaser

76STholder · Post #152 » by **76STholder** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:12 pm

I agree I am not happy w/ some of their decisions and moves. But, my point is, there is hope and the season doesnot start tommorrow. I am not ready to jump off the bridge and roast management YET. I am not saying ya'll are wrong but too soon to tell. Way too soon. Let's see what happens and then react. Reacting based upon feelings and thoughts do not make sense.

Look, example, B Dawkins. When the Eagles did not resign him, Wow, they were the worse team in the world. Hard, dumb, stupid, etc..... After seeing the rest of the moves, now the Eagles are picked as one of the top teams in the NFL. Yes, even Superbowl talk is now being discussed by the "experts". Was not in the discussion a few months ago.

Ok, got it? Let's let the team put the pieces together, play some games under the NEW COACH, and then if Lou looks horrendous (as many feel he will), let it fly. But, I just think it is WAY TO SOON to be so critical.

And, all this talk of lottery, most experts believe the sixers got lottery picks the last 3 years, so what is the benifit of stinking as many of you hope them to do?

tmoore · Post #153 » by **tmoore** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:17 pm

Just got off of a Dionte Christmas conference call from Orlando. He said he thinks he has "a great chance" to make the team because they need shooters.

tmoore · Post #154 » by **tmoore** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:20 pm

Stefanski met with reporters in Orlando today. Was told he said he has spoken to Miller, but they're still far apart. He admitted he has talked with a couple teams about a sign-and-trade, but nothing imminent. He repeated the idea that giving Lou Williams, Holiday and a veteran (minimum-salary) PG the job is a real possibility.

ankle420breaker · Post #155 » by **ankle420breaker** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:24 pm

Gsraider wrote:Bebop, I could not agree more in that it is a puzzler. The 76ers' marketing team must be salivating at the prospect of selling more season tickets this year. As for 76STHolder, I happen to agree with you on many of your points, which is why I am frustrated that the Sixers haven't been more proactive. This is a team that is unlike some of the lottery dregs we have experienced in year's past.

Philly has some young guns that are exciting and have quite a bit of upside. They have a former all-star who might be able to bounce back. Right now, they are a team that is somewhere around the 5-th8th seed in the conference, but while other team's are making a push, Philly has been silent. I have been following this team for a little over 30 years, so I'm not a fly by night fan. I don't want to see this team do anything stupid, but I do want to see some creativity in an attempt to push this team further. The 76ers are not one of the teams that is waiting for 2010, so they need to build around the core that they have and right now, it's promising, but not good enough.

As for not selling out, that's just a fact. The Sixers were down on attendance last year when optimism was fairly high. Right now, barring even a small change, I can only see that getting worse.

Good post, Gsraider. Our silence right now speaks volumes to our lack of dedication to grow into a contender.

76STholder · Post #156 » by **76STholder** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:24 pm

Tom,

What are your thoughts on Dionte making the sixers team?

Gsraider · Post #157 » by **Gsraider** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:30 pm

76STholder wrote:I agree I am not happy w/ some of their decisions and moves. But, my point is, there is hope and the season doesnot start tommorrow. I am not ready to jump off the bridge and roast management YET. I am not saying ya'll are wrong but too soon to tell. Way too soon. Let's see what happens and then react. Reacting based upon feelings and thoughts do not make sense.

Ok, got it? Let's let the team put the pieces together, play some games under the NEW COACH, and then if Lou looks horrendous (as many feel he will), let it fly. But, I just think it is WAY TO SOON to be so critical.

And, all this talk of lottery, most experts believe the sixers got lottery picks the last 3 years, so what is the benifit of stinking as many of you hope them to do?

First off, I do not get the crowd that wants to see the team lose and end up in the lottery. My life is passing by way too quickly for me to want to see a season go by with another lottery team. My point is that I see some of the same potential you do, but also know that they need a little more talent to take the next step. Perhaps if I thought Dalembert could flourish somehow or that Lou Williams could be the answer at PG (or Holiday could start as a rookie), I'd be more optimistic about next season only. I actually think the Sixers have some reasons for optimism for the future, but I don't want to see a lateral move next season. I want to see a team that continues to grow and build and not waste a year in Iguodala's prime or Brand's if he can return to previous form.

I also would like to at least see some effort even if it falls short. Outside of Tom Moore and Sixerfan telling us of some internal workings, this team appears to be on the sidelines watching the action. If they were one of the teams entering the 2010 derby, that might even make some sense to me, but they aren't. They need to be proactive so long as Brand is a part of this team.

tmoore · Post #158 » by **tmoore** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:35 pm

76STholder wrote:Tom,

What are your thoughts on Dionte making the sixers team?

I'd have to say it's less than 50-50. If Miller goes for nothing in return, there are 10 guys under contract. The Sixers want veteran backups at the 1, 3 and 5, which would give them 13. They'll probably go with 14, so that could leave one job for a young guy like Christmas or Kurz.

76STholder · Post #159 » by **76STholder** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:41 pm

Gsraider

Enough said, I am done ranting. Just wanted to put some sense into the discussion and you said if perfect in response.

Thank you.

bebopdeluxe · Post #160 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Wed Jul 8, 2009 5:46 pm

Solid post, Gsraider.