MVP Rankings 1.0

[kaiiu2324]

He's leading the league in scoring because he's leading the league in FGA

[Optms]

Had Bryant not busted his finger, I'm positive his shooting efficiencies would be greater than what it is. He's had a couple of games where the finger has plagued his stroke ad thrown those numbers off. Most noticeably the game directly following the injury where he shot for a horrid percentage.

Still early in the season to award it anyone but I think Bryant performing the way he has been given his nagging injuries particularly that index finger on his shooting hand, it all might just play a contributing role in voters minds come vote time.

[Optms]

He's leading the league in scoring because he's leading the league in FGA

Talk about stating the obvious.

Nash is leading the league in guard efficiency because he shoots for excellent percentages.

[C'mon Cavs]

So Kobe is the frontrunner for MVP because he scored 44? If thats the case David West should be the MVP he had 44,12 and 4.No chalk that. Jennings should be the MVP becasue he scored 55 on the same non defense playing team.

you know i came to this forum and left espn because i thought there would be better arguments and opinions

posts like these are not helping

if a player who just won the nba championship, finals mvp the year before and is chasing "STEVE NASH" in overall mvps for his career.... and is currently leading the league in scoring with the #1 record and is playing the best basketball of his career on both ends of the basketball court. you would think he would get the nod

but no

not really lol

what a stupid world we live in

That's what happens when there's another player posting better numbers on a team with a nearly identical record. Sorry if Kobe's "best year" is not even in LeBron's top 3.

[Father Time]

It will really come down to individual lockdown games, like LeBron locking up Joe today in Atlanta, and that is something Artest failed (conceded 26 points 9 assists and fouled out) to do to LeBron!

Actually, Artest locked up Johnson earlier this year.

[Optms]

I remember the game. Joe Johnson game came out of the gates blazing ala Clint Eastwood to start the game. We adjusted, locked that ass right up ala Guantanamo bay.

[GriffMoney_1984]

So Kobe is the frontrunner for MVP because he scored 44? If thats the case David West should be the MVP he had 44,12 and 4.No chalk that. Jennings should be the MVP becasue he scored 55 on the same non defense playing team.

you know i came to this forum and left espn because i thought there would be better arguments and opinions

posts like these are not helping

if a player who just won the nba championship, finals mvp the year before and is chasing "STEVE NASH" in overall mvps for his career.... and is currently leading the league in scoring with the #1 record and is playing the best basketball of his career on both ends of the basketball court. you would think he would get the nod

but no

not really lol

what a stupid world we live in

That's what happens when there's another player posting better numbers on a team with a nearly identical record. Sorry if Kobe's "best year" is not even in LeBron's top 3.

overall stats dont always tell the truth

sorry but lebron james averaging 7 rebounds isnt that impressive.

he has the body of a power forward... hes nearly 6 foot 10 and weighs 260 or 270 pounds

with his athleticism he should be averaging 10+ rpg

kobe is barely 6-6 and weighs 205... hes only grabbing like 1 less rebound a game

this shows kobe is actually the more skilled rebounder


and kobe plays in a system where he cant just hold the ball all game and collect assists

theres allot of teamwork that goes into the triangle..

theres like 7 players on the lakers with more than 2 assists per game

while on the cavs only 3 players average 2+assists per game


then you factor in that kobe actually has to listen to his coach

lebron basically tells mike brown that hes gonna take so many shots and hold the ball for so many seconds

which is why the cavs will never win a playoff series against a great team...

lebron can coach a regular season team when no ones trying that hard and theres little coaching being done

but when the playoffs come around... lebrons drive and kick offense isnt enough

kobe is the mvp of the league... best overall stats has NEVER and will NEVER win the mvp

90% of mvps have a #1 overall seed in their confrence. bostons wont let lebron get a second straight mvp

/thread

[Father Time]

Assists should really be a non-issue. Both players lead their team in assists.

[C'mon Cavs]

you know i came to this forum and left espn because i thought there would be better arguments and opinions

posts like these are not helping

if a player who just won the nba championship, finals mvp the year before and is chasing "STEVE NASH" in overall mvps for his career.... and is currently leading the league in scoring with the #1 record and is playing the best basketball of his career on both ends of the basketball court. you would think he would get the nod

but no

not really lol

what a stupid world we live in

That's what happens when there's another player posting better numbers on a team with a nearly identical record. Sorry if Kobe's "best year" is not even in LeBron's top 3.

overall stats dont always tell the truth

sorry but lebron james averaging 7 rebounds isnt that impressive.

he has the body of a power forward... hes nearly 6 foot 10 and weighs 260 or 270 pounds

with his athleticism he should be averaging 10+ rpg

kobe is barely 6-6 and weighs 205... hes only grabbing like 1 less rebound a game

this shows kobe is actually the more skilled rebounder


and kobe plays in a system where he cant just hold the ball all game and collect assists

theres allot of teamwork that goes into the triangle..

theres like 7 players on the lakers with more than 2 assists per game

while on the cavs only 3 players average 2+assists per game


then you factor in that kobe actually has to listen to his coach

lebron basically tells mike brown that hes gonna take so many shots and hold the ball for so many seconds

which is why the cavs will never win a playoff series against a great team...

lebron can coach a regular season team when no ones trying that hard and theres little coaching being done

but when the playoffs come around... lebrons drive and kick offense isnt enough

kobe is the mvp of the league... best overall stats has NEVER and will NEVER win the mvp

90% of mvps have a #1 overall seed in their confrence. bostons wont let lebron get a second straight mvp

/thread

And you're calling people stupid. This is the dumbest post not written by BGil I have ever read.

[GriffMoney_1984]

Assists should really be a non-issue. Both players lead their team in assists.

and the way lebron gets his assists are not that impressive. most of them are just kick outs for threes or jumpers

the shooter is doing most of the work... all an assist really is most of the time is throwing the ball at someone lol

maybe only 1 time a game does the passer spoon feed someone for an easy 2 that they never would have had the chance to get without the extreme wizardry of the assist man ( like nash to amare behind the back )

and when its a seperation of only 1-2 times """""letting the ball go to a team mate"""" a game

is it really that impressive?

if assists were like hockey ( where the 3rd last man who touches the ball gets an assist aswell ) then kobe would lead the league... because the triangle offense is built on kobe drawing an extra defender, kicking to the cutter, the cutter drawing the post defender and the center or PF getting an easy score or a kick out wide open jumper...

kobe easly gets 10 of those a game... he would average nearly 15 total assists a game

[C'mon Cavs]

Assists should really be a non-issue. Both players lead their team in assists.

and the way lebron gets his assists are not that impressive. most of them are just kick outs for threes or jumpers

the shooter is doing most of the work... all an assist really is most of the time is throwing the ball at someone lol

maybe only 1 time a game does the passer spoon feed someone for an easy 2 that they never would have had the chance to get without the extreme wizardry of the assist man ( like nash to amare behind the back )

and when its a seperation of only 1-2 times """""letting the ball go to a team mate"""" a game

is it really that impressive?

if assists were like hockey ( where the 3rd last man who touches the ball gets an assist aswell ) then kobe would lead the league... because the triangle offense is built on kobe drawing an extra defender, kicking to the cutter, the cutter drawing the post defender and the center or PF getting an easy score or a kick out wide open jumper...

kobe easly gets 10 of those a game... he would average nearly 15 total assists a game

Wait, this one is dumber.

[GriffMoney_1984]

Assists should really be a non-issue. Both players lead their team in assists.

and the way lebron gets his assists are not that impressive. most of them are just kick outs for threes or jumpers

the shooter is doing most of the work... all an assist really is most of the time is throwing the ball at someone lol

maybe only 1 time a game does the passer spoon feed someone for an easy 2 that they never would have had the chance to get without the extreme wizardry of the assist man ( like nash to amare behind the back )

and when its a seperation of only 1-2 times """""letting the ball go to a team mate"""" a game

is it really that impressive?

if assists were like hockey ( where the 3rd last man who touches the ball gets an assist aswell ) then kobe would lead the league... because the triangle offense is built on kobe drawing an extra defender, kicking to the cutter, the cutter drawing the post defender and the center or PF getting an easy score or a kick out wide open jumper...

kobe easly gets 10 of those a game... he would average nearly 15 total assists a game

Wait, this one is dumber.

its the truth.. you could have john stockton, magic johnson and isaih thomas combined into 1 .... if they dont have a player that can hit a jump shot... they dont get the assist

you can pass the ball and create shots 100 times a game... if the guy on the other end doesnt hit the shot. you dont get an assist.

lebron has 2 more assists because 2 more times a game a player not named lebron james hit a jump shot

different offenses call for different roles... kobes role is not the same as lebrons.

he doesnt play the same position

and hes a completely different sized player

would be like trying to compare magic johnsons assists to michael jordans

or allen iversons rebounding to tim duncans

different roles

different sizes


kobe does what is asked of him. he cant do any more than that. like i said...he actually has to listen to his coach

[Dat Pass]

Assists should really be a non-issue. Both players lead their team in assists.

and the way lebron gets his assists are not that impressive. most of them are just kick outs for threes or jumpers

I always think the exact same thing when I watch a Cavs game. Most of LeBrons assists come from just standing at the 3pt line and waiting for one of his great shooters to come off a pick and hit the open jumper/3pt shot. Do those assists really make him a better passer than Kobe? Besides, LeBron has 3 teammates in the top 5 of 3pt shooting.

[GriffMoney_1984]

il say it again

LEBRON JAMES IS A POOR REBOUNDER

when he stands next to dwight howard ... their basically the same height. and almost the same weight

why lebron doesnt average 10+ rebounds per game is beyond me

kobes averaged 7 rpg before when he weighed like 195 pounds and like 6 foot 5

lebron only looks like a good rebounder because people compare him with guards

when infact HE IS BASICALLY A POWER FORWARD

[TheOUTLAW]

LeBron is actually a stellar rebounder when he wants to be. That's why he tends to grad a ton of late game rebounds in close games. Fact is, LeBron actually plays further away from the basket than Kobe and he's also plays further away than most SF's. Being the size of a PF doesn't make you a PF though.

[CzBoobie]

il say it again

LEBRON JAMES IS A POOR REBOUNDER

when he stands next to dwight howard ... their basically the same height. and almost the same weight

why lebron doesnt average 10+ rebounds per game is beyond me

kobes averaged 7 rpg before when he weighed like 195 pounds and like 6 foot 5

lebron only looks like a good rebounder because people compare him with guards

when infact HE IS BASICALLY A POWER FORWARD

How many SMALL FORWARDS (you know, the position he is listed at) rebound better than him? How many of them actually play more like guards? How many of them are on one of the better rebounding teams in the league.

different offenses call for different roles... kobes role is not the same as lebrons.

he doesnt play the same position

and hes a completely different sized player

would be like trying to compare magic johnsons assists to michael jordans

or allen iversons rebounding to tim duncans

different roles

different sizes

Yet no one questions that Magic Johnson is a better passer than Michael Jordan and no one implies that Allen Iverson is a better rebounder than Tim Duncan.

Only Kobe homers create these fantastic constructions about Kobe being a better passer and rebounder than LeBron even when NOTHING suggests that.

[Dat Pass]

How many SMALL FORWARDS (you know, the position he is listed at) rebound better than him? How many of them actually play more like guards? How many of them are on one of the better rebounding teams in the league.

For guys 6'-8" and under, LeBron ranks 6th.

For guys 6'6" and under, Kobe ranks 3rd.

For their size, you tell me which one rebounds better..

[INKtastic]

So Kobe is the frontrunner for MVP because he scored 44? If thats the case David West should be the MVP he had 44,12 and 4.No chalk that. Jennings should be the MVP becasue he scored 55 on the same non defense playing team.

you know i came to this forum and left espn because i thought there would be better arguments and opinions

posts like these are not helping

if a player who just won the nba championship, finals mvp the year before and is chasing "STEVE NASH" in overall mvps for his career.... and is currently leading the league in scoring with the #1 record and is playing the best basketball of his career on both ends of the basketball court. you would think he would get the nod

but no

not really lol

what a stupid world we live in

The problem is there's another guy playing better and who's team is better. It's just not reflected in the standings yet because of the home vs road disparity thus far in the season. Cleveland is basically done with the hardest part of their schedule after tonight's game. LA hasn't really started theirs yet. After tonight

Cleveland has 7 back to backs left in the season, the team they face on the second night in all 7 games currently has a losing record.
Cleveland has just 1 road trip left of more than 2 games, and that is a 5 game road trip starting Jan 8th.
Cleveland doesn't have any 4 games in 5 nights stretches left.

The Lakers still has an 8 game road trip, a 5 game road trip, and two 3 game trips. They still have 12 back to backs, 4 of which the 2nd game is against a top team. I didn't see any 4 games in 5 nights stretches, but did see twice where they play 5 games in 7 nights.

With the way the schedules have been skewed thus far, LA really should have more than a 1.0 game lead over Cleveland, especially when Cleveland gave up some wins early to integrate new players into the team.

[CzBoobie]

Size my ass. When it comes to assists, Kobe just plays different role, Kobe doesn't hog the ball so much, Kobe plays in different system yada yada. But when it comes to rebounds, LeBron is two inches taller so he should rebound like power forwards and centers.

[INKtastic]

How many SMALL FORWARDS (you know, the position he is listed at) rebound better than him? How many of them actually play more like guards? How many of them are on one of the better rebounding teams in the league.

For guys 6'-8" and under, LeBron ranks 6th.

For guys 6'6" and under, Kobe ranks 3rd.

For their size, you tell me which one rebounds better..

the one with more rebounds is the better rebounder. It's pretty simple. Kobe is no more a better rebounder than LeBron than LeBron is a better rebounder than Gasol. You don't just dismiss the fact that Kobe is shorter.