Rose Stat Tracker S2 - 20.8 PPG, 6.0 APG, 3.7 RPG

[alucryts]

when you take out his injury 3 point game, he has officially added .5 points per game again to his monthly average to get up to 23.6 ppg.... wow

i think rose could get to 25 ppg as a monthly average at the end as a cap imo

[TheAdmiral]

Im tracking his stuff since the all star game now:

After 8:
PPG: 24.63
APG: 5.63
RPG: 4.63
FTA: 5.63
FG%: 56.25%
TS%: 60.13%
PER: 23.99
Min/game: 37.61

them is superstar numbers lol

FG% of 56.25 for a guard is stupid good.
TS% of 60+ wow.

Like others have said he needs to add a 3pt shot get better at drawing fouls.
Those two things in my mind are fixable. Imagine him in 2 years he could easily be getting 25 ppg.

if he adds a 3 ball and foul drawing, ill go ahead and say 30. that is unless we get someone like wade or bosh, then 20-25 would make sense to me.

With a legitimate 3-point shot and the ability to draw fouls, he'd definitely become a more efficient scorer. Regarding what you said about the 30 PPG, I'd much rather have him average 21-22 PPG and 8 APG than 30 PPG and 4 APG. He's a Point guard, you know.

[alucryts]

FG% of 56.25 for a guard is stupid good.
TS% of 60+ wow.

Like others have said he needs to add a 3pt shot get better at drawing fouls.
Those two things in my mind are fixable. Imagine him in 2 years he could easily be getting 25 ppg.

if he adds a 3 ball and foul drawing, ill go ahead and say 30. that is unless we get someone like wade or bosh, then 20-25 would make sense to me.

With a legitimate 3-point shot and the ability to draw fouls, he'd definitely become a more efficient scorer. Regarding what you said about the 30 PPG, I'd much rather have him average 21-22 PPG and 8 APG than 30 PPG and 4 APG. He's a Point guard, you know.

if we dont get a big impact FA hes going to have to do both lol. hed need to do 30 and 7 and be a strong mvp candidate

[alucryts]

After 9 since asg:
PPG: 24.56
APG: 5.33
RPG: 4.11
FTA: 5.22
FG%: 54.76%
TS%: 58.56%
PER: 23.3
Min/game: 36.89

guys rose is exploding. the jump he had in december is nothing compared to what we are about to see. a gimpy bad shooting no foul calling night and puts up 24 points on 45%..... this month is going to be national derrick rose month......

[RichardsRival3]

After 9 since asg:
PPG: 24.56
APG: 5.33
RPG: 4.11
FTA: 5.22
FG%: 54.76%
TS%: 68.56%
PER: 23.3
Min/game: 36.89

guys rose is exploding. the jump he had in december is nothing compared to what we are about to see. a gimpy bad shooting no foul calling night and puts up 24 points on 45%..... this month is going to be national derrick rose month......

to be honest I was tempering some of this D. Rose optimism due to the quality of competition we have been playing. However, with the Portland game and tonight's game with two hurting knees I am more and more impressed. If he can continue this high level of play throughout the next 10 games (very tough opponents) then you have to believe he really has turned a corner to perennial all-star.

IMO to be a complete offensive player he needs to add 3 things
1) 3pt shot
2) Get more FTs
3) post up game- not many people talk about this but, I believe he has the size/athleticism. Plus I love watching Billups post up other PGs.

He gets those things then how are you going to defend him?

[alucryts]

After 9 since asg:
PPG: 24.56
APG: 5.33
RPG: 4.11
FTA: 5.22
FG%: 54.76%
TS%: 68.56%
PER: 23.3
Min/game: 36.89

guys rose is exploding. the jump he had in december is nothing compared to what we are about to see. a gimpy bad shooting no foul calling night and puts up 24 points on 45%..... this month is going to be national derrick rose month......

to be honest I was tempering some of this D. Rose optimism due to the quality of competition we have been playing. However, with the Portland game and tonight's game with two hurting knees I am more and more impressed. If he can continue this high level of play throughout the next 10 games (very tough opponents) then you have to believe he really has turned a corner to perennial all-star.

IMO to be a complete offensive player he needs to add 3 things
1) 3pt shot
2) Get more FTs
3) post up game- not many people talk about this but, I believe he has the size/athleticism. Plus I love watching Billups post up other PGs.

He gets those things then how are you going to defend him?

i was thinking about that the other day too. he hasnt even sniffed a post game yet and dominates every pg he faces.

games like tonight the refs killed him for free throws. they killed the whole bulls team really

[RichardsRival3]

@ alucryts

Rose with his back to the basket would kill. With his quickness a simple spin move and he is at the rim. With his size/jumping ability, a fade away turns into an unblockable shot for any PG in the NBA.

Then if he developed counters to these moves.............


By the way thanks for the stats I really appreciate the work.

[-Illmatic-]

After 9 since asg:
PPG: 24.56
APG: 5.33
RPG: 4.11
FTA: 5.22
FG%: 54.76%
TS%: 68.56%
PER: 23.3
Min/game: 36.89

guys rose is exploding. the jump he had in december is nothing compared to what we are about to see. a gimpy bad shooting no foul calling night and puts up 24 points on 45%..... this month is going to be national derrick rose month......

[Shill]

Rose last 36 games:

23.0 ppg (50.3 FG%)
5.8 apg
4.2 rpg
4.6 FTA
54.2 TS%
20.8 PER

[Shill]

After 9 since asg:
PPG: 24.56
APG: 5.33
RPG: 4.11
FTA: 5.22
FG%: 54.76%
TS%: 68.56%
PER: 23.3
Min/game: 36.89

guys rose is exploding. the jump he had in december is nothing compared to what we are about to see. a gimpy bad shooting no foul calling night and puts up 24 points on 45%..... this month is going to be national derrick rose month......

Methinks you meant to type a "5" instead of a "6".

[alucryts]

After 9 since asg:
PPG: 24.56
APG: 5.33
RPG: 4.11
FTA: 5.22
FG%: 54.76%
TS%: 68.56%
PER: 23.3
Min/game: 36.89

guys rose is exploding. the jump he had in december is nothing compared to what we are about to see. a gimpy bad shooting no foul calling night and puts up 24 points on 45%..... this month is going to be national derrick rose month......

Methinks you meant to type a "5" instead of a "6".

good catch haha fixed

[umfan83]

Just thought this was interesting. I wanted to see how Rose's first 2 seasons compared with Wade's. Because I am doing the stat calculations, I decided I wanted to cheat, and only took Rose's numbers after his injury. I am completely ignoring any potential injuries that Wade might have had. Oh well. Now I'm not smart enough to calculate TS or PER or anything so the numbers might be deceiving but...


16.2 PPG 4.5 APG 4.1 RPG .465 FG% .747 FT% 3.2 TO - Wade Y1
16.8 PPG 6.3 APG 3.9 RPG .475 FG% .788 FT% 2.5 TO - Rose Y1


24.1 PPG 6.8 APG 5.1 RPG .478 FG% .762 FT% 4.2 TO - Wade Y2
23.2 PPG 5.7 APG 4.4 RPG .491 FG% .763 FT% 2.7 TO - Rose Y2 (last 36 games)

Pretty comparable. Wade was definitely a little better in year 2, but his team was a contender and finished with a 59-23 record. Rose would get more assists and probably points if his teammates were Shaq, Damon and Eddie Jones, Haslem, Mourning, etc.

[DanTown8587]

24.1 PPG 6.8 APG 5.1 RPG .478 FG% .762 FT% 4.2 TO - Wade Y2
23.2 PPG 5.7 APG 4.4 RPG .491 FG% .763 FT% 2.7 TO - Rose Y2 (last 36 games)

Pretty comparable. Wade was definitely a little better in year 2, but his team was a contender and finished with a 59-23 record. Rose would get more assists and probably points if his teammates were Shaq, Damon and Eddie Jones, Haslem, Mourning, etc.

Let's shut this down right now. Rose is good. But why people have to compare him to one of the best players in the game is beyond stupid. There isn't a single stat (outside of TO and shooting percentage) that Derrick is superior in. You gave me a choice of Wade or Rose after year 2, I take Wade 11 out of 10 times.

Derrick Rose is good people. Why there needs to be statistical comparison to Dwyane Wade to try and prove it (when anyone watching games would tell you Wade was just, was just wow) doesn't make sense to me.

[Shill]

Just thought this was interesting. I wanted to see how Rose's first 2 seasons compared with Wade's. Because I am doing the stat calculations, I decided I wanted to cheat, and only took Rose's numbers after his injury. I am completely ignoring any potential injuries that Wade might have had. Oh well. Now I'm not smart enough to calculate TS or PER or anything so the numbers might be deceiving but...


16.2 PPG 4.5 APG 4.1 RPG .465 FG% .747 FT% 3.2 TO - Wade Y1
16.8 PPG 6.3 APG 3.9 RPG .475 FG% .788 FT% 2.5 TO - Rose Y1


24.1 PPG 6.8 APG 5.1 RPG .478 FG% .762 FT% 4.2 TO - Wade Y2
23.2 PPG 5.7 APG 4.4 RPG .491 FG% .763 FT% 2.7 TO - Rose Y2 (last 36 games)

Pretty comparable. Wade was definitely a little better in year 2, but his team was a contender and finished with a 59-23 record. Rose would get more assists and probably points if his teammates were Shaq, Damon and Eddie Jones, Haslem, Mourning, etc.

Wade's TS% and PER

Year 1 -- 53.0%; 17.6
Year 2 --56.1%, 23.1


Rose's TS% and PER

Year 1 -- 51.6%, 16.0
Year 2 (post-injury) -- 54.2%, 20.8

[Shill]

Let's shut this down right now. Rose is good. But why people have to compare him to one of the best players in the game is beyond stupid. There isn't a single stat (outside of TO and shooting percentage) that Derrick is superior in. You gave me a choice of Wade or Rose after year 2, I take Wade 11 out of 10 times.

Derrick Rose is good people. Why there needs to be statistical comparison to Dwyane Wade to try and prove it (when anyone watching games would tell you Wade was just, was just wow) doesn't make sense to me.

Calm down. Step away from the keyboard. Take 5 deep breaths.

Statistical comparison is part of the sine qua non of sports fanaticism.

If ya don't like, you should probably avoid "stat tracker" threads.

[alucryts]

Let's shut this down right now. Rose is good. But why people have to compare him to one of the best players in the game is beyond stupid. There isn't a single stat (outside of TO and shooting percentage) that Derrick is superior in. You gave me a choice of Wade or Rose after year 2, I take Wade 11 out of 10 times.

Derrick Rose is good people. Why there needs to be statistical comparison to Dwyane Wade to try and prove it (when anyone watching games would tell you Wade was just, was just wow) doesn't make sense to me.

Calm down. Step away from the keyboard. Take 5 deep breaths.

Statistical comparison is part of the sine qua non of sports fanaticism.

If ya don't like, you should probably avoid "stat tracker" threads.

ya, they are very comparable post injury theres nothing wrong with comparing the two.

[Rerisen]

Just thought this was interesting. I wanted to see how Rose's first 2 seasons compared with Wade's. Because I am doing the stat calculations, I decided I wanted to cheat, and only took Rose's numbers after his injury. I am completely ignoring any potential injuries that Wade might have had. Oh well. Now I'm not smart enough to calculate TS or PER or anything so the numbers might be deceiving but...


16.2 PPG 4.5 APG 4.1 RPG .465 FG% .747 FT% 3.2 TO - Wade Y1
16.8 PPG 6.3 APG 3.9 RPG .475 FG% .788 FT% 2.5 TO - Rose Y1


24.1 PPG 6.8 APG 5.1 RPG .478 FG% .762 FT% 4.2 TO - Wade Y2
23.2 PPG 5.7 APG 4.4 RPG .491 FG% .763 FT% 2.7 TO - Rose Y2 (last 36 games)

Pretty comparable. Wade was definitely a little better in year 2, but his team was a contender and finished with a 59-23 record. Rose would get more assists and probably points if his teammates were Shaq, Damon and Eddie Jones, Haslem, Mourning, etc.

Wade's TS% and PER

Year 1 -- 53.0%; 17.6
Year 2 --56.1%, 23.1


Rose's TS% and PER

Year 1 -- 51.6%, 16.0
Year 2 (post-injury) -- 54.2%, 20.8

Yeah, Umfan didn't list the key stat in those splits.

FTA
Wade: 9.9
Rose 4.6

That's pretty much the entire TS% gap right there.

[chadrucf]

You gave me a choice of Wade or Rose after year 2, I take Wade 11 out of 10 times.

Maybe that's why stats are not your thing...

[Ralphb07]

Comparing stats are hard because you got to factor in the age of the player, not just the years in league. I'm not saying Rose is better than Wade but when you Factor in Rose was 20 as a rookie and Wade was 22 and Rose was 21 in year two and Wade was 23, that's makes a big difference IMO at least, which is why comparing stats are so difficult.

Prime example is Taj Gibson. If Gibson was 21 putting up his 8 and 7, everyone on this board would be calling him the next great PF for us but since he's 24, we say he is a nice role player

We don't need to compare Derrick to anyone though, just look at his age and what he has done and that should be enough for people. Derrick doesn't need to be Wade, he just needs to be the best Derrick Rose he can be

[Ralphb07]

You gave me a choice of Wade or Rose after year 2, I take Wade 11 out of 10 times.

If I didn't know what Wade did after two years and it was basically on the 1st two years, I'm taking Rose because you must factor in Rose is 21 after year two and Wade was 23. That makes a BIG difference

Rose's number for a 21 year old are pretty damn impressive