09-10 WizFans Official Draft Thread

BanndNDC · Post #1161 » by **BanndNDC** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 5:23 pm

miller31time wrote:You're assuming Cousins is a lock or near-lock for the #2 spot. I don't see that as the case. Most mock drafts have him at 3, 4 or even 5. I think a lot of teams would take Favors before they took Cousins, to be honest.

If Cousins falls to 5 then I assume we'll have the sixth pick or had the fifth and traded out assuming he wouldnt fall. just dont want to get my hopes up after last year's debacle (when we could and should have had rubio and blair). turner and favors are solid players but wall and cousins are the best two for us (in my opinion).

Post #1162 » by **miller31time** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 5:40 pm

BanndNDC wrote:
miller31time wrote:You're assuming Cousins is a lock or near-lock for the #2 spot. I don't see that as the case. Most mock drafts have him at 3, 4 or even 5. I think a lot of teams would take Favors before they took Cousins, to be honest.

If Cousins falls to 5 then I assume we'll have the sixth pick or had the fifth and traded out assuming he wouldnt fall. just dont want to get my hopes up after last year's debacle (when we could and should have had rubio and blair). turner and favors are solid players but wall and cousins are the best two for us (in my opinion).

Consiglieri81 · Post #1163 » by **Consiglieri81** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:50 pm

We can probably catch Golden State.

Not guaranteed, but looking at the two schedules, I think we're likely to jump ahead of them, or at bare minimum, tie them. Golden State has 5 winnable games left + a 6th at Washington. We've got 3+ that warrior game. I think we're going to slide ahead of Golden State by a game and that would be pretty big, giving us a little more flexibility in terms of not getting absolutely hosed on lottery day. At worst we fall to 6, but we're in better position to fall hopefully only to 4, and not a worst case scenario like last time. It's looking like 3rd position for the lottery hose job.

So who are our top 4?

1. Wall
2. Turner
3. Cousins
4. Favors

And are there really 2 guys we like enough for the worst case scenario slots (5 and 6). Who would you have?

Also curious who you like with the other 2 picks. Clevelands (am assuming it will be between 28 and 30) and ours (probably 33).

1st: Wall/Turner/Cousins/Favors if we land top 4

My targets for our two late picks:

28th-30th:
33rd:

Just some guys Im looking at, no particular preference, just some guys to look at there.

Quincy Pondexter: Definitely think he can score at the next level, and with these late 2nd rounders, your looking for guys that can fill a role, or guys with the athleticism to translate eventually.

Sherron Collins-Not really a big fan, I'd pass on him, but he's an option.

Aubrey Coleman-passes the raw ability test, fails the IQ test. A conundrum there

Greivis Vasquez-A glue guy. There's always room on a team for a guy like this, and I'd love to have him.

Trevor Booker-Like what I hear about him. I believe in using 2nds on guys with the raw ability to fit in the NBA, and then hope that they can grow from there. Hopefully he has it.

What do you guys think? WHo do you like with our lottery pick, and those two picks sandwiched around each other? Funny to think we flushed 2 second rounders for cash in back to back years, and suddenly we actually value them.

Severn Hoos · Post #1164 » by **Severn Hoos** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:28 pm

Man, you guys are harsh. You do realize that Turner only started playing PG this year, and it was at the coach's request? A good article from the beginning of the season:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/w ... index.html

Put him on an NBA team with quality teammates (OK, the Wiz may not be that team, but you get the point) and he'll be fine. He won't have to force nearly as much, and his TOs will be down. Besides, he's got more Assists and a better A/TO ratio than Evans did last year. I understand Wall as the #1 pick, but Turner's awfully close....

Post #1165 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:43 pm

Fair enough, Sev. I think Wall's better, but I am not going to complain if we get a guy who can play the point at 6'7 and give us occasional triple doubles.

BanndNDC · Post #1166 » by **BanndNDC** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:58 pm

Consiglieri81 wrote:So who are our top 4?

im going

1. wall 2. cousins 3. turner

And are there really 2 guys we like enough for the worst case scenario slots (5 and 6). Who would you have?

patterson and monroe. neither is good value at 5 or 6 but im a lot more confident in their games than the other options.

(patterson is playing great tonight)

Also curious who you like with the other 2 picks. Clevelands (am assuming it will be between 28 and 30) and ours (probably 33).

im not liking how the end of the 1st is looking right now, but im interested in

Kalin Lucas (not interested in collins at all.)
jarvis varnado (wish they were given a tournament spot but he showed well in the sec title game (and has the rebounding stats) - but im worried about drafting any player named jarvis (or its derivatives).
Vasquez.
maybe da'sean butler

otherwise im looking euro.

if we get a big with our first and lucas doesnt come out (or isnt available), id advocate a euro draft n' stash with the cleveland first and vasquez with the second.

Severn Hoos · Post #1167 » by **Severn Hoos** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:42 am

So, uh....anyone concerned that the #1 overall pick is being outplayed by a one-armed backup with a season high of 8 points (prior to today, that is)?

;-)

And yes, there's still a lot of time left, so I could end up looking real stupid by the time this game is over....

fishercob · Post #1168 » by **fishercob** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:48 am

Two guys showed up for Kentucky tonight -- Wall and Cousins. If anyone else -- including Pat Patterson -- does anything, they're cutting down the nets right now.

Post #1169 » by **Ruzious** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:53 am

fishercob wrote:Two guys showed up for Kentucky tonight -- Wall and Cousins. If anyone else -- including Pat Patterson -- does anything, they're cutting down the nets right now.

Patterson dominated the boards - especially in the 1st half. Kentucky just couldn't shoot. 1 team made their 3's, and the other had a record bad day from 3ville. And one team made their FT's, and the other didn't.

pancakes3 · Post #1170 » by **pancakes3** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:57 am

i'm kind of bothered by the lack of boards and blocks from cousins in the tourney.

also, Gordon Hayward was superimpressive today. he's a better Luke Walton, imo. he's really added a big man's game to his guard skills. his low 3p% is a little enigmatic but after watching him play Kansas St, i was very impressive by his game. picking him with the CLE pick would let us give Howard the boot, even though we were playing very well with Howard in the lineup. sophie's choice, kind of.

dandridge 10 · Post #1171 » by **dandridge 10** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:23 am

I have to admit, I have only seen Wall play about 4-5 times this season and maybe I have just seen him play on off-nights, but I just don't see how this kid is hands down the number 1 pick. Yes, he seems like he is quick as lightning and thrives in the open court. However, it also appears to me the kid has no jump shot, struggles in a half court game, and gets lost a lot on defense (although he does make some spectacular plays here and there). Have I just not seen enough games? Is part of the hype that he is only a freshman? I've seen Turner play in about as many games as Wall, and I have to admit, I've been more impressed with Turner's all-around game more than Wall's. Maybe someone can enlighten me because I want to be more excited about Wall as a prospect.

sfam · Post #1172 » by **sfam** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:26 am

I think Turner is going to make a terrific SG in the NBA. While I agree that Wall merits the first pick, getting Turner would be a massive plus. But really, if we get one of the top 4 picks, we're looking at a terrific player. Personally, I'm hoping that Ted's luck starts rubbing off on the Wiz.

closg00 · Post #1173 » by **closg00** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:29 am

pancakes3 wrote:i'm kind of bothered by the lack of boards and blocks from cousins in the tourney.

also, Gordon Hayward was superimpressive today. he's a better Luke Walton, imo. he's really added a big man's game to his guard skills. his low 3p% is a little enigmatic but after watching him play Kansas St, i was very impressive by his game. picking him with the CLE pick would let us give Howard the boot, even though we were playing very well with Howard in the lineup. sophie's choice, kind of.

I had not watched Cousins all year until the tournee; I came away thinking he was a bit slow, lumbering, and not very athletic so I'm not sure how-well he will rebound and score against NBA talent at-first.

doclinkin · Post #1174 » by **doclinkin** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:48 am

closg00 wrote:
pancakes3 wrote:i'm kind of bothered by the lack of boards and blocks from cousins in the tourney.

also, Gordon Hayward was superimpressive today. he's a better Luke Walton, imo. he's really added a big man's game to his guard skills. his low 3p% is a little enigmatic but after watching him play Kansas St, i was very impressive by his game. picking him with the CLE pick would let us give Howard the boot, even though we were playing very well with Howard in the lineup. sophie's choice, kind of.

I had not watched Cousins all year until the tournee; I came away thinking he was a bit slow, lumbering, and not very athletic so I'm not sure how-well he will rebound and score against NBA talent at-first.

On the flipside, he won't be quadruple-teamed in the NBA....

doclinkin · Post #1175 » by **doclinkin** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:57 am

dandridge 10 wrote:I have to admit, I have only seen Wall play about 4-5 times this season and maybe I have just seen him play on off-nights, but I just don't see how this kid is hands down the number 1 pick. Yes, he seems like he is quick as lightning and thrives in the open court. However, it also appears to me the kid has no jump shot, struggles in a half court game, and gets lost a lot on defense (although he does make some spectacular plays here and there). Have I just not seen enough games? Is part of the hype that he is only a freshman? I've seen Turner play in about as many games as Wall, and I have to admit, I've been more impressed with Turner's all-around game more than Wall's. Maybe someone can enlighten me because I want to be more excited about Wall as a prospect.

Wall as a freshman is better than Evan Turner was as a freshman. And I liked Turner's game as a frosh. I think I was just behind ed wood on that bandwagon. That's the key point. Kid has phenomenal talent as well as a pretty advanced game for a kid his age. Better than his years. Turner may be more instantly productive, but John Wall will catch up quick and in all likelihood, pass him. It's a pretty close comparison, John Wall projects to be a better Rajon Rondo, Evan Turner looks like Brandon Roy with somewhat less of a jumper.

Re. 'Evan Turnover' giving up the rock:

Yeah great body control, long arms, great vision, but he has the disability of slightly small hands which can affect his control when he's got to put in on the ground in traffic. He doesn't have the massive tractor-beam mitts of a guy like, say Rondo, or JWall for that matter.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1176 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:59 am

I missed the WVU win over Ky. I do see from the box they beat the Wildcats by allowing them to shoot jumpers.

I'll maintain the best player on Kentucky is Cousins. I expect in the pros his minutes will be proportional to those of the average starter (even today Patterson played 40 and Wall 39 minutes, while Cousins played 29). Cousin's defensive intensity will also show up in the form of steals, blocks, and rebounds. Cousins is going to be a beast. (So is Wall).

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1177 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:04 am

doclinkin wrote:
dandridge 10 wrote:I have to admit, I have only seen Wall play about 4-5 times this season and maybe I have just seen him play on off-nights, but I just don't see how this kid is hands down the number 1 pick. Yes, he seems like he is quick as lightning and thrives in the open court. However, it also appears to me the kid has no jump shot, struggles in a half court game, and gets lost a lot on defense (although he does make some spectacular plays here and there). Have I just not seen enough games? Is part of the hype that he is only a freshman? I've seen Turner play in about as many games as Wall, and I have to admit, I've been more impressed with Turner's all-around game more than Wall's. Maybe someone can enlighten me because I want to be more excited about Wall as a prospect.

Wall as a freshman is better than Evan Turner was as a freshman. And I liked Turner's game as a frosh. I think I was just behind ed wood on that bandwagon. That's the key point. Kid has phenomenal talent as well as a pretty advanced game for a kid his age. Better than his years. Turner may be more instantly productive, but John Wall will catch up quick and in all likelihood, pass him. It's a pretty close comparison, John Wall projects to be a better Rajon Rondo, Evan Turner looks like Brandon Roy with somewhat less of a jumper.

Re. 'Evan Turnover' giving up the rock:

Yeah great body control, long arms, great vision, but he has the disability of slightly small hands which can affect his control when he's got to put in on the ground in traffic. He doesn't have the massive tractor-beam mitts of a guy like, say Rondo, or JWall for that matter.

Wall is part Rondo and part D Wade. The player he's probably most like right now is Russell Westbrook, IMO.

Turner is part Joe Johnson and part John Salmons. Evan Turner will be a lot more dangerous as he improves his range. I think I'd prefer him on the Wizards over Wall, but mainly because I think Flip would like his style and maturity more.

Post #1178 » by **miller31time** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:27 am

One thing I don't like about Evan Turner's game is how stiff and mechanical he plays. There just doesn't seem to be much fluidity to his game.

Not saying that will have any bearing on his pro career/effectiveness but I don't know of too many good or great pro guards who don't have a nice fluidity to their game.

AgentOvechkin08 · Post #1179 » by **AgentOvechkin08** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:55 am

I have only seen Turner play a handful of times on TV and have come away impressed most of the time.

There have been the comparisons of Brandon Roy in his game....from what i have seen he has ALOT of B. Roy in his game. His midrange pullup against Tennessee, albeit in a loss, was money. I thought i was watching Brandon Roy the way he was able to get his shot off.

The other thing I like about turner is he is a stat stuffer. He gets assists and rebounds and is very athletic.

To note on wall: he is gonna be the number 1 pick...but he is out of control to much of time trying to do too much and has to improve his jumper. He has that D-wade ability to get to the basket, but sometimes goes to fast and ends up with a turnover (either a charge or a bad pass).

80sballboy · Post #1180 » by **80sballboy** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:24 am

Turner has been compared to Brandon Roy. Not quite as athletic, but I think he's more Pippen-like since he's a slasher with great eyes. Not a pure point guard. Turns it over way too much. Wall was not good tonight and he still scored, what, 19? He's just so damn fast. A little concerned about his defense, though Butler doesn't play like any NBA team. Must work on his foul shooting, because he will get to the line a ton.