09-10 WizFans Official Draft Thread

[likwitdesi]

this is real GM, nothing we throw ever hits a wall to begin with. and i'm pretty sure everyone is OK with that. forums by definition are a meeting place for discussion. i never have the time to work up scenarios, but i've spent the last decade logging on here to keep up on new info as well as see what Lyrical, Dat, Nate, etc. have been tossing around.

in all likelihood, this is simply us throwing crap because i doubt we get the top pick. but again, it's a forum, so discussing it regardless doesn't get me worked into a tizzy.

Why is it that any time I bring an opposing view point, I need to be reminded that this is a discussion forum? Been here longing than you tough guy. I don't need to be read the rules.

Do you also need to be reminded it's a discussion forum and I can voice my opinion?

Did I not specifically point out that this is REAL GM? Where everybody thinks they are a GM?

I am commenting on the drivel I am reading. I've been reading here for years and if I was in agreement with everything I was reading I wouldn't bother to post, as has been mostly the case for the past couple years right up until the Gilbert incident.

Your posts (post-gun incident), along with WizNasty's, are the drivel on this board.

[AceDegenerate]

this is real GM, nothing we throw ever hits a wall to begin with. and i'm pretty sure everyone is OK with that. forums by definition are a meeting place for discussion. i never have the time to work up scenarios, but i've spent the last decade logging on here to keep up on new info as well as see what Lyrical, Dat, Nate, etc. have been tossing around.

in all likelihood, this is simply us throwing crap because i doubt we get the top pick. but again, it's a forum, so discussing it regardless doesn't get me worked into a tizzy.

Why is it that any time I bring an opposing view point, I need to be reminded that this is a discussion forum? Been here longing than you tough guy. I don't need to be read the rules.

Do you also need to be reminded it's a discussion forum and I can voice my opinion?

Did I not specifically point out that this is REAL GM? Where everybody thinks they are a GM?

I am commenting on the drivel I am reading. I've been reading here for years and if I was in agreement with everything I was reading I wouldn't bother to post, as has been mostly the case for the past couple years right up until the Gilbert incident.

Your posts (post-gun incident), along with WizNasty's, are the drivel on this board.

Right. Because 1 line comments from you is what everybody is interested in.

[likwitdesi]

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And what was that? A one line comment...

If Gil gets traded to the Knicks, I'm sure you would jump over to the Knicks board in a New York minute. It's clear that you are a Gil fan first and a Wizards fan second.

[Rafael122]

I'm trying to think of a good way to phrase this question. I'm trying to think of a way where we get the 3rd pick, and we somehow end up with Evan Turner.

I think the Nets would take Wall. No question. Would Detroit though? Considering the plethora of guards that they have? Same with Minnesota. I could see both teams taking Cousins over Turner and Wall.

[montestewart]

I'm trying to think of a good way to phrase this question. I'm trying to think of a way where we get the 3rd pick, and we somehow end up with Evan Turner.

I think the Nets would take Wall. No question. Would Detroit though? Considering the plethora of guards that they have? Same with Minnesota. I could see both teams taking Cousins over Turner and Wall.

I've seen a variety of scenarios wherein the Wizards could have the 3rd pick and end up with Turner. I think Wall will go first in almost any scenario, and teams will trade excess guards rather than pass on him, but what do I know? Time will tell. Regardless, if Wall's off the table, I could see a number of teams taking Cousins over Turner, maybe including the Wizards. If we get the 3rd pick (big if?) I'll be real happy with either one, but at this point, I'm still think about getting Wall. I can dream, can't I?

[NbdyBeatsTheWiz]

this is real GM, nothing we throw ever hits a wall to begin with. and i'm pretty sure everyone is OK with that. forums by definition are a meeting place for discussion. i never have the time to work up scenarios, but i've spent the last decade logging on here to keep up on new info as well as see what Lyrical, Dat, Nate, etc. have been tossing around.

in all likelihood, this is simply us throwing crap because i doubt we get the top pick. but again, it's a forum, so discussing it regardless doesn't get me worked into a tizzy.

Why is it that any time I bring an opposing view point, I need to be reminded that this is a discussion forum? Been here longing than you tough guy. I don't need to be read the rules.

Do you also need to be reminded it's a discussion forum and I can voice my opinion?

Did I not specifically point out that this is REAL GM? Where everybody thinks they are a GM?

I am commenting on the drivel I am reading. I've been reading here for years and if I was in agreement with everything I was reading I wouldn't bother to post, as has been mostly the case for the past couple years right up until the Gilbert incident.

Sigh. My apologies. The post didn't seem threatening when i typed it. I just don't see it as CCJ vs. BS, me vs. 'drivel' that disagrees with me, or a place that needs to be "tough" to begin with. This is my boyhood addiction and obsession to folloing a sports team that lasted a decade too long, I apologize if I came off as another guy flexing his big boy muscles on the internet. That's the last thing this board needs.

[montestewart]

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You gotta be really careful here, because you can't always be sure how the your post, which seemed pretty innocuous when you wrote it, will read to another.

Or can you?

I didn't see a lot of muscle flexing there. It is just idle speculation among people possessing varying degrees of information and various perspectives. We're not real GMs (I don't think; EG, you out there?) so remember, don't try this at home, especially if your home happens to be the front office of an NBA team.

EDIT: PS, I started reading REALGM in 2005, but didn't post until 2009, so I never assume how long someone has been visiting REALGM based upon the first post. You can get a lot out of this site without posting a thing.

[Ruzious]

I'm trying to think of a good way to phrase this question. I'm trying to think of a way where we get the 3rd pick, and we somehow end up with Evan Turner.

I think the Nets would take Wall. No question. Would Detroit though? Considering the plethora of guards that they have? Same with Minnesota. I could see both teams taking Cousins over Turner and Wall.

I suppose Daytwa might trade down if they get the 1st pick, but Wall has to be #1, imo. If they don't pick him, they trade down. Bynum and Stuckey are ok, but the Pistons need a star.

I'm back on a DaSean (sp?) Butler kick for 1 of our mid draft picks - saying that the "experts" are wrong, and he's WVU's best prospect - over Ebanks. And he fits Flip's offense - being a good catch and shoot 3. Maybe he's no more than a Rasual Butler type, but that's a useful role. He gets bashed for being an "under the rim player", but he's not a bad athlete, and he has solid size and length. Watch him against Duke - he's a good defender. Also, he's a high IQ player with nearly a 2/1 A/TO ratio who's fearless when the game is on the line. He's not the dunker that Al Gee is, but he's a better player.

[Pollinator]

Any thoughts on Al-Farouq Aminu, who looks like he will be one of the top players there if we get shafted again in the lottery. He is the one guy in the top 6 or 7 I haven't seen play, for some reason he's always been in foul trouble or something when I tune in. But it sounds like he's got a lot of things going for him, athleticism, length, lateral quickness, defense/rebounding, finishing on the break. His weaknesses (ballhandling, shooting, weight/strength) would seem to be improvable, as he is just a young kid and already shooting 70% on free throws.

Plus as far as I can see his intangibles are not the problem they are for, say, a DeMarcus Cousins.

I think he would fit in well with the Wizards, obviously not as well as John Wall or Derrick Favors, but maybe this kid is a little underrated at this point.

[NbdyBeatsTheWiz]

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EDIT: PS, I started reading REALGM in 2005, but didn't post until 2009, so I never assume how long someone has been visiting REALGM based upon the first post. You can get a lot out of this site without posting a thing.

True. Not to mention if Jack Ramsey or Hubie Brown were to log on here and made their first couple posts without even glancing at the site previously, I'd be wrong to assume they're new to the game or something.

And on AMINU, I only caught one game of his since last year when he seemed like yet another project player with "potential". I don't have the feel for his game, is he the kind of guy who could come in and contribute immediately, or are we looking at a slightly older Andray Blatche?

Wall, Turner, Cousins, even Wesley Johnson (my "if we get shafted" candidate) seem like they could contribute immediately on some level.

[AceDegenerate]

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EDIT: PS, I started reading REALGM in 2005, but didn't post until 2009, so I never assume how long someone has been visiting REALGM based upon the first post. You can get a lot out of this site without posting a thing.

The assumption was less about how long someone else has been here and moreso about pointing out how long I have been here. Which in and of itself should definitely be long enough to figure out the way things go around these parts, don't you think?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

this is real GM, nothing we throw ever hits a wall to begin with. and i'm pretty sure everyone is OK with that. forums by definition are a meeting place for discussion. i never have the time to work up scenarios, but i've spent the last decade logging on here to keep up on new info as well as see what Lyrical, Dat, Nate, etc. have been tossing around.

i pine for wall because i think he's the best talent in the draft. the gap between him and the next guy could be less than i consider it, but i'm not trying to draft a michael beasley over derrick rose. drafting for team needs over talent leads to bowie over jordan, and "always draft the big man" leads to oden over durant. the argument could be made the other direction against BPA, but in my mind wall is a sure thing, can't miss, #1 pick this year.

in all likelihood, this is simply us throwing crap because i doubt we get the top pick. but again, it's a forum, so discussing it regardless doesn't get me worked into a tizzy.

Really good points, NBTW. Just be clear I think Cousins is better than Wall. I think Cousins is the BPA.

Looking back at the NCAA Tourney game UK just lost a few days ago, Wall got off to a quick start. He hit jumpers, including one or two threes and had 8 quick points. What happened? Kentucky fell in love with the jumper and lost the game. In fairness, Cousins had turnover problems. However, he finished the game 6-11 while Wall went 7-18. In the two previous NCAA games Cousins had been 7-8 and 9-10. The entire strategy West Virginia used (from their press conference) was to sag in and deny entry passes to Cousins and to make Kentucky beat them from outside. Kentucky ended up going 4-32 from 3PT. NBTW, I like Cousins because the guys in the paint win games in the playoffs. I could be wrong, however ....

Honestly, I really feel like this is one time I could be wrong. Wall is a monster of an athlete ...

Past misses that I can recall today include Sweetney, Almond, Quincy Douby, Luke Jackson, Adam Morrison, Jiri Welsch, Nikola Tskitishvili, Keith Closs--I miss my share I'm sure there's more. Westbrook and Green are much better than I thought. Blair's actually not as good as Taj Gibson. Both are good, but Gibson's superior IMO.

More than the guys I miss, I really take pride in picking guys nobody thinks can play. Kenneth Faried will be a stud in the NBA. He belongs in round one regardless of whether he can defend PFs or not. Fredette will do well offensively. I expect he'll be a first round pick. His game reminds me of George Hill with the Spurs. Larry Sanders and Aminu both will do well. James Anderson will be a fine player. I also think Gilstrap might be better than teammate Brackins.

Last but not least, I think Scheyer will do better in the NBA than Singler.

[NbdyBeatsTheWiz]

Really good points, NBTW. Just be clear I think Cousins is better than Wall. I think Cousins is the BPA.

Looking back at the NCAA Tourney game UK just lost a few days ago, Wall got off to a quick start. He hit jumpers, including one or two threes and had 8 quick points. What happened? Kentucky fell in love with the jumper and lost the game. In fairness, Cousins had turnover problems. However, he finished the game 6-11 while Wall went 7-18. In the two previous NCAA games Cousins had been 7-8 and 9-10. The entire strategy West Virginia used (from their press conference) was to sag in and deny entry passes to Cousins and to make Kentucky beat them from outside. Kentucky ended up going 4-32 from 3PT. NBTW, I like Cousins because the guys in the paint win games in the playoffs. I could be wrong, however ....

Honestly, I really feel like this is one time I could be wrong. Wall is a monster of an athlete ...

...James Anderson will be a fine player...

That's about where I'm at on it. I think Wall is the BPA, buuuuuut...

And I'm willing to eat up all your points, because I think the #1 pick is a pipe dream at this point, and I'd think we have a better shot at Cousins. Cousins, Wall, and Turner all have arguments in their favor... a top 3 pick would be beautiful.

And agreed on James Anderson, I'm hoping he can be had at pick 30 as a lesser version of Wesley Johnson, but it seems his stock has been rising.

[nate33]

Last but not least, I think Scheyer will do better in the NBA than Singler.

I tend to agree. I think Singler is the better college player, but his game and stature won't translate into the pros all that well. Scheyer might well be a rock-solid pro. He's a very good passer, a lights out shooter, he's a legit 6-5, and he doesn't have the same alligator arms as J.J. Redick. If Redick is a serviceable guard in the pros, Scheyer should be a bit better.

[mhd]

Scheyer's lucky he in the worst point guard crop I've ever seen. Still won't be a first rounder.

I'd still take Bledsoe over Scheyer. Ditto Willie Warren. In the later first round, you always try and hit a homerun. WOuld the Wiz be better off not drafting Andray Blatche in the late 2nd?

You can find role players every year. Better to try and get the home run.

[Halcyon]

Scheyer is not a lights out shooter. IMO lights out shooter at the college level = Stephen Curry/JJ Redick type of shooter. However Scheyer is very smart with the ball, as evidenced by his TO/A ratio. He could be a decent backup PG in the Steve Blake mold, but he could easily not make it either. That will depend on the team who drafts him and how he continues to develop. Obviously I'm a Maryland fan so I am biased but he's one of t he lesser hateable Duke players (in terms of good players) in recent memory.

[Ruzious]

So much for me thinking Butler would stand out against Duke. I hope his knee is okay -that didn't look good - and talk about adding insult to injury with the officials calling an offensive foul...

Anyway, I like Singler far more than Scheyer - partly because I don't consider Scheyer likely to be in the NBA. He did have a great A/TO ratio as a senior, but obviously he's not going to play PG in the NBA. And he was a sub 40% shooter in college, so he's clearly not in Redick's class. With Singler, I like that he played mostly the 3 this season. He's got versatility to his game and can get his shot off against all kinds of players coming off the bench.

[closg00]

Don't think Scheyer is an NBA player.

I wonder if Butler and Kalin Lucas's draft-stock will drop a bit because of injury.

@ CCJ, Kenneth Faried is a Pops type player, great clean-up guy around the glass, just don't ask him to shoot the rock.

[WizarDynasty]

Ok people we are getting the sixth ppick. Get use it to. Probably get the seventh. We will probably beat the golden state tonight and the new jersey next week which actually bumps us back to the seventh spot and seventh worst record. Wiz never move up in the draft. So get use to seeing 7-4 wingspan cole aldrich. He may. E a lil slow but good rebounder shot blocker...and can score on the block but is mechanical. Haywood lovers...will fall in love with aldrich. Anyone else better than aldrich at the sixth spot.

Again two teams will leap frog us like last year.
1leap frog.
2 leap frog.
3.New jersey
4. Minnesota
5. Golden state
6. washington

1.Wall
2.Turner
3.Cousins
4.Favors
5.Aminu
6. Aldrich

Who is left at sixth spot since that is likely our position. Let's hope eg doesn't trade again for battier and lowry?

[closg00]

Ok people we are getting the sixth ppick. Get use it to. Probably get the seventh. We will probably beat the golden state tonight and the new jersey next week which actually bumps us back to the seventh spot and seventh worst record. Wiz never move up in the draft. So get use to seeing 7-4 wingspan cole aldrich. He may. E a lil slow but good rebounder shot blocker...and can score on the block but is mechanical. Haywood lovers...will fall in love with aldrich. Anyone else better than aldrich at the sixth spot.

Again two teams will leap frog us like last year.
1leap frog.
2 leap frog.
3.New jersey
4. Minnesota
5. Golden state
6. washington

1.Wall
2.Turner
3.Cousins
4.Favors
5.Aminu
6. Aldrich

Who is left at sixth spot since that is likely our position. Let's hope eg doesn't trade again for battier and lowry?

We play the Nets tonight, not GS. I think we lose both of those games although we may have a shot at NJ because they are on a b2b.

Re: Aldrich, if we can't get Cousins, I don't think I'd use a high draft pick on Aldrich.

For the shared minutes at C next year, why draft Aldrich at 6 when we might be able to get Art Parakhouski at 30? We could even recall Paul Davis from the D-League. I would hope that Wes Johnson were still on the board at 6. I think we'll end-up 4 or 5.
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