Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread

[why22]

I would rather have Calderon on this team than CV. He's a scrub.

and calderon is a..................





















dont worry, ill wait

[Rapsobsessed7]

i dont get how this obsession with Iggy came about. His worth and all this, yes hes a nice player but hes going to be making 13 million when the new CBA hits.

Banks + Evans + Henry (#13) + Belinelli for Iggy is about what i would offer. I dont see how he has value of Derozan + #13 + Expiring contracts...

[CapeCrusader]

i dont get how this obsession with Iggy came about. His worth and all this, yes hes a nice player but hes going to be making 13 million when the new CBA hits.

Banks + Evans + Henry (#13) + Belinelli for Iggy is about what i would offer. I dont see how he has value of Derozan + #13 + Expiring contracts...

I would give up the 13th pick, but DeRozan I would hang on too especially if Bosh bolts. In that case at least we have somewhat of a chance to get back on track in the future.

Not sure Philly would take back Evans, but then again its about expiring contracts...

Calderon/Belinelli/#13 pick for Iggy (works in trade checker)

[CapeCrusader]

Even if Nets get #1 pick (which I don't think will happen looking at past lotteries). Nets will get a waaaay better offer for Harris then what we can offer them. Plus I really like Jack starting for us.

[ansoncarter]

if clippers go into rebuild mode they might shop kaman. And a couple of their fans seem to want Jarret Jack, and reading their board it doesn't seem like they think kaman is worth all that much

13th + Jack + Reggie contract
for
Kaman + Baron Davis

no idea if we're ripping them off or what kaman is really worth. Maybe throw derozan into it, who'd probably appreciate returning to L.A.

on our side, it's the kind of pointless treadmill move that bc and Treadmill INC. would love

[junot111]

why would they go into rebuild mode when they already have one of the best cores in the league

[ansoncarter]

I was going by this clipper fan's post. Which had a sentiment that other clipps fans seemed to share

1 more year of trying for playoffs; If next year fails again, just go full rebuild mode around griffin/gordon/whatever our pick this year is/DJ. We kinda stuck in the middle of trying to contend, but always failing (and getting good picks).

[TGM]

I have a feeling Bosh ends up in San Antonio for a package involving Richard Jefferson, Dejaun Blair and picks.

[henrydunn13]

What you think Rapsobsessed7

Philly gives:

Iggy, Brand ($28.3 mil) - need to give back atleast $22.6 mil

Toronto gives:

Calderon ($!0 mil with kicker), Evans ($5 mil), Banks ($5 mil), Belinelli ($2 mil)

Maybe we give our pick to sweeten the deal?

[Rapsobsessed7]

What you think Rapsobsessed7

Philly gives:

Iggy, Brand ($28.3 mil) - need to give back atleast $22.6 mil

Toronto gives:

Calderon ($!0 mil with kicker), Evans ($5 mil), Banks ($5 mil), Belinelli ($2 mil)

Maybe we give our pick to sweeten the deal?

doesnt work.

9,000,000 (Calderon) + 5,080,000 (Evans) + 4,847,586 (Banks) + $2,380,270 (Belinelli)
= 21,307,865 X 1.25 + 100,000
= 26,734,820

For:

$15,959,100 (Brand) + $12,345,250 (Iguodala)
= 28,304,350

Trade kicker counts for incoming salary, meaning the team whos getting him receives said salary. I dont believe it affects outgoing salary. if it did it might make it work. However any deal has to happen before July 1 to get Bosh to resign

does anyone know when we can sign guys like Amir/Wright. I believe Boshs date is July 15. However FA starts July 1. So you could substitute Amir for Belinelli in a S&T and make it work..

Another potential difficulty is that a team trading a player with a trade kicker uses the player's original salary, before the kicker, when comparing salaries for trade.

[henrydunn13]

What you think Rapsobsessed7

Philly gives:

Iggy, Brand ($28.3 mil) - need to give back atleast $22.6 mil

Toronto gives:

Calderon ($!0 mil with kicker), Evans ($5 mil), Banks ($5 mil), Belinelli ($2 mil)

Maybe we give our pick to sweeten the deal?

doesnt work.

9,000,000 (Calderon) + 5,080,000 (Evans) + 4,847,586 (Banks) + $2,380,270 (Belinelli)
= 21,307,865 X 1.25 + 100,000
= 26,734,820

For:

$15,959,100 (Brand) + $12,345,250 (Iguodala)
= 28,304,350

Trade kicker counts for incoming salary, meaning the team whos getting him receives said salary. I dont believe it affects outgoing salary. if it did it might make it work. However any deal has to happen before July 1 to get Bosh to resign

does anyone know when we can sign guys like Amir/Wright. I believe Boshs date is July 15. However FA starts July 1. So you could substitute Amir for Belinelli in a S&T and make it work..

Another potential difficulty is that a team trading a player with a trade kicker uses the player's original salary, before the kicker, when comparing salaries for trade.

Hmm... a sign and trade of Wright may work - didn't Colangelo mention something about retaining some sort of option (??) to be able to sign him?? Basically treat him like we did Delfino in the S & T

[henrydunn13]

Or would our #13 have a contract then that could be used to bridge the gap?

Although I'm reluctant to include the pick because we are taking on some SERIOUS contracts in this deal.

[henrydunn13]

According to ESPN trade machine, we also have a trade exception from Kapono trade worth $1 144 480.

This would bring the figure up to $28 165 430, still $150 000 short of the mark.

[Rapsobsessed7]

Or would our #13 have a contract then that could be used to bridge the gap?

Although I'm reluctant to include the pick because we are taking on some SERIOUS contracts in this deal.

when signing a draft pick, once the player is signed to his rookie contract, he cant be traded for 30 days. When you initially pick a player you acquire his rights and they have a total outgoing salary of 0.

So it couldnt happen till end of June/beginning of August. Since its 30 days once you sign him which wont happen till middle of June anyways

According to ESPN trade machine, we also have a trade exception from Kapono trade worth $1 144 480.

This would bring the figure up to $28 165 430, still $150 000 short of the mark.

You cant combine TE's with players. You can use it on its own to acquire a player making 1,114,480 or less but cant add it to the package to make up the difference.

What you think Rapsobsessed7

Philly gives:

Iggy, Brand ($28.3 mil) - need to give back atleast $22.6 mil

Toronto gives:

Calderon ($!0 mil with kicker), Evans ($5 mil), Banks ($5 mil), Belinelli ($2 mil)

Maybe we give our pick to sweeten the deal?

doesnt work.

9,000,000 (Calderon) + 5,080,000 (Evans) + 4,847,586 (Banks) + $2,380,270 (Belinelli)
= 21,307,865 X 1.25 + 100,000
= 26,734,820

For:

$15,959,100 (Brand) + $12,345,250 (Iguodala)
= 28,304,350

Trade kicker counts for incoming salary, meaning the team whos getting him receives said salary. I dont believe it affects outgoing salary. if it did it might make it work. However any deal has to happen before July 1 to get Bosh to resign

does anyone know when we can sign guys like Amir/Wright. I believe Boshs date is July 15. However FA starts July 1. So you could substitute Amir for Belinelli in a S&T and make it work..

Another potential difficulty is that a team trading a player with a trade kicker uses the player's original salary, before the kicker, when comparing salaries for trade.

Hmm... a sign and trade of Wright may work - didn't Colangelo mention something about retaining some sort of option (??) to be able to sign him?? Basically treat him like we did Delfino in the S & T

thing is though, they wont want Wright at 4 million because thats what would need to make the deal work

Banks + Evans + Calderon + 4 million (Wright or Amir) + #13

for

Brand + Igoudala

so it would have to be Amir. To make salaries work. Tricky thing with this deal is youd have to draft the said player at #13, not sign him on July 1st (most GMs dont sign them on July 1 anyways) and then trade his rights in the deal. I think thats getting to big and too unrealistic.

My offer would be

Reggie Evans + Marcus Banks + Rights to Xavier Henry + Marco Belinelli + Cash Considerations for Andre Iguodala

Holiday/Williams/Banks
Henry/Belinelli/Meeks
Young/Green/Kapono
Davis/Brand/Evans
Dalembert/Speights/Smith

3 expiring contracts and 2 young players (belinelli + henry). Clear Iggys 13 million owed to him in 2011 when the new CBA hits thats a max contract. We keep Bosh happy before July 1.

Jack/Calderon/PG
Iguodala/Derozan/SG
Hedo/Weems
Bosh/Johnson/Dorsey
Bargnani/Powell (signed, good friends with CB)/C

[henrydunn13]

thing is though, they wont want Wright at 4 million because thats what would need to make the deal work

Banks + Evans + Calderon + 4 million (Wright or Amir) + #13

for

Brand + Igoudala

so it would have to be Amir. To make salaries work. Tricky thing with this deal is youd have to draft the said player at #13, not sign him on July 1st (most GMs dont sign them on July 1 anyways) and then trade his rights in the deal. I think thats getting to big and too unrealistic.

My offer would be

Reggie Evans + Marcus Banks + Rights to Xavier Henry + Marco Belinelli + Cash Considerations for Andre Iguodala

Holiday/Williams/Banks
Henry/Belinelli/Meeks
Young/Green/Kapono
Davis/Brand/Evans
Dalembert/Speights/Smith

3 expiring contracts and 2 young players (belinelli + henry). Clear Iggys 13 million owed to him in 2011 when the new CBA hits thats a max contract. We keep Bosh happy before July 1.

Jack/Calderon/PG
Iguodala/Derozan/SG
Hedo/Weems
Bosh/Johnson/Dorsey
Bargnani/Powell (signed, good friends with CB)/C

I would do that trade in a heart beat, but I feel like Philly isn't going to give up Iggy without Brand.

If you think they will, sign me up! Still need to lose Calderon though I think...

[henrydunn13]

Here it is, I got it:

Calderon, Evans, Banks, Beli, Wright (S &T @ $2mil)

for

Iggy and Brand

I don't think a young players/picks/prospects are necessary in this trade because of the HUGE amount of cap relief we give them on the monster 'immovable' contract of Elton Brand

leaves us with:

Jack
Iggy/Weems
Hedo/DeRozan
Bosh/Amir
Bargs/Brand

plus our #13 pick, and our MLE (if that doesn't go to Amir??), finished off with min contracts...

[henrydunn13]

gives Philly:

Jose/Holiday/Banks
Williams/Green/Belinelli
Young/Wright/Kapono
Speights/ #6
Dalembert/Jason Smith

Philly also gets $5 immediate cap space (while also filling the roster and avoiding tax) - and the next 2 years they will save $45-$50 million... This gives them a fresh start, while keeping some good young pieces to build around (holiday, young, speights, #6...)

[Rapsobsessed7]

gives Philly:

Jose/Holiday/Banks
Williams/Green/Belinelli
Young/Wright/Kapono
Speights/ #6
Dalembert/Jason Smith

Philly also gets $5 immediate cap space (while also filling the roster and avoiding tax) - and the next 2 years they will save $45-$50 million... This gives them a fresh start, while keeping some good young pieces to build around (holiday, young, speights, #6...)

if im them though id rather have Henry who fits perfectly beside Jrue than dump Brand for Calderon which is a 7 million annual difference. Not worth it to me. People forget Iggy himself has a huge price tag. He has 55.6 million remaining on his deal. So if they can get a cheaper option (Henry) whos also younger and helps the rebuild i think theyd rather do that. Also with Amir, its unlikely we sign him if we get Brand and heres why. Hes going to a) be looking for playing time, hes a unrestricted FA, b) money so 4-5 million range. Thats 20/21 million committed to our BACKUP PF/C rotation. Way to much money. Heres some deals i see happening.

my 3 ideas:

1) Banks + Evans + #13 (Henry) + Cash for Iguodala

- creates 2.5 million TE, saves them that much
- saves them 12 million in 2011
- better fit beside jrue
- avoid Iggys 13 million with the new CBA

* Could add Belinelli if they wanted

2) Banks + Evans + #13 (Henry) + Belinelli + Dorsey (unguaranteed) for Iguodala + Green

- avoid tax this year. Save 4 million doing so

3) To TOR: Iguodala
To PHI: #28 (Pondexter) + #13 (Henry) + Evans + Banks
To MEM: Cash Considerations (TOR) + PHI 2011 2nd Round Pick

basically Memphis sells the pick which is likely what they do because they have a ton. So that could work.

Holiday/Williams/Banks
Henry/Green/Meeks
Young/Pondexter/Kapono
Davis/Brand/Evans
Dalembert/Speights/Smith

i think #3 works the best for everyone.

My Off-Season would conclude with:
- Sign Chucky Atkins/other veteran PG (minimum)
- Sign Josh Powell: Good friends with CB (1.5 million)
- Sign Jamal Magloire or other C (minimum)
- Resign Amir Johnson (4.5 million, x amount of years) & Chris Bosh (full max, 6 years)

Jack/Calderon/Atkins
Iguodala/Derozan/Belinelli
Turkaglu/Weems
Bosh/Johnson/Dorsey
Bargnani/Powell/Magloire

that team is very solid. Maybe you turn around and move Calderon + Belinelli for Baron Davis but id keep Calderon and hope for his value to increase.

[EventHorizon]

Why keep Derozan when you have Iggy and Weems. Package him with Hedo to get a decent SG/SF. By the way Iggy will cost DD and our pick.

[EventHorizon]

If we do get Iggy and keep DeRozan, I propose trading Turk and DD for Ben Gordon and Wilcox. Gordon is the creator and penetrator while Iggy is the defender/rebounder/penetrator.