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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#681 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Jun 1, 2010 5:07 pm

Yeah this dude is no joke...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1NM8vXWOdE[/youtube]

Makes you wonder if the Spurs are looking at Favors(as reported), plus the fact that they really can't afford Splitter because of the luxury tax(it is rumored he will likely get around full MLE from day one), if there is something in the works behind the scenes centered around Favors and Splitter, with filler added in, although what filler does San An really have to offer is the question.

Oh yeah, BTW, who does this guy remind you of? :wink:
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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#682 » by Cruzeirao » Tue Jun 1, 2010 5:12 pm

Parker and Splitter for Favors, Humpries, Yi and Harris?
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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#683 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Jun 1, 2010 5:18 pm

Cruzeirao wrote:Parker and Splitter for Favors, Humpries, Yi and Harris?

I don't like it.
Parker has a ton of mileage on him and is going to be looking for a ridiculous contract that he isn't worth, plus is he really much better the Harris or does it just seem that way because he has played next to the greatest power forward of all time his whole career?
Splitter for Favors is too skewed in San An's favor value wise and they don't especially have the extra incentive to add to it.
Maybe if they could ship out Parker to a third team and a top ten pick comes attached to Splitter, then we could talk business...
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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#684 » by Preludepunk27 » Tue Jun 1, 2010 7:11 pm

I'm for acquiring Splitter, but I don't want to drop that far in the draft. Unless we are certain we'll get 1 or 2 of the legit players in free agency, I'm not taking a chance like that.

As much as I like Parker and his leadership (I referenced him a few months ago), he concerns me. I'm all for moving down, but only 2-3 picks and only if it's a deal we cannot refuse (like picking up the rights to Rubio along the way)

Only way I'd be down with something like that is if a 3 team deal was working out with Minny, SA and Us where were nabbed Rubio, Splitter, Cap Space. If we could nab Dejuan Blair too, I'd love live, but I may be too greedy.

I'd rather try to work something out with Minny though to get Rubio/Love or something to that effect.

The more I think about it, the more I think Devin Harris's name is gonna pop up in trade rumors the next 2-3 weeks.
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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#685 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Jun 1, 2010 11:31 pm

So how would people feel about something like:

Rights to Tiago Splitter/10th overall pick/20th overall pick

for

3rd overall pick

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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#686 » by amk482 » Wed Jun 2, 2010 2:29 pm

If Splitter comes over, doesnt his salary come in at the pick he was drafted at a few years back. For example, if he was drafted # 25 (4 years ago) isnt he on the rookie scale at the same amount as this years # 25 pick?
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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#687 » by demens » Wed Jun 2, 2010 2:41 pm

amk482 wrote:If Splitter comes over, doesnt his salary come in at the pick he was drafted at a few years back. For example, if he was drafted # 25 (4 years ago) isnt he on the rookie scale at the same amount as this years # 25 pick?


No, they can pay him as much as he wants.

As for the trade idea. You really think bringing in 5 rookies is a good idea?
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Post#688 » by Preludepunk27 » Wed Jun 2, 2010 2:58 pm

Now, I'm never one to look at a mix tape and be like "I want that guy" because it's just the best clips of the player, but everything I remember reading of him when he was drafted was that he was a very good defensive player but raw offensively.

After seeing that clip though, I want him next to Brook. His ability to play the pick and roll, to put the ball on the floor and has the IQ to make plays without the ball IS EXACTLY what I want next to Brook. If we can get him without giving up #3 (maybe a 3 team deal with Indy/SA/NJN where we send Harris to Indy, SA gets #10, we get future picks/cap space) is something I could only dream of happening.

If we got him and kept #3, I know it's not the offseason we wanted, but I'm fine with that.

Obviously I'd be more giddy if we could also move down to 4 and get the rights to Rubio somehow too.

Either way, if we came out of draft night with either Rubio or Splitter, I'm happy with our draft night. Splitter will put up solid numbers next to Brook and we'd have probably the best young front court in the game for the next 5 or so years.
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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#689 » by Rockice_8 » Wed Jun 2, 2010 5:58 pm

I am sold on Favors right now this kid has superstar potential. It won't however keep us from signing a PF. I think Amare is my #1 target yeah maybe he's not worth max but that's what it going to take to get so I say do it. We could easily run a 3 man frontcourt rotation with Amare/Lopez/Favors because I think Favors and Amare could play the 4 and 5. We then look for a PG and a shooter with #27 (Bledsoe) and #31 (Warren) and roll with that squad. Maybe bring in a vet shooter (Jarvis Hayes type) on a one year deal to backup T-Will at the 3.

Harris/Bledsoe
Lee/Warren
T-Will/CDR
Amare/Favors/Yi
Lopez/Favors

Thats should get us into the playoffs and leave us primed and ready for Melo. Plus we still have a ton of picks left and young players to upgrade the PG (Rubio) or SG (Mayo) if we don't like Harris/Lee for 2011 and beyond.

Thats my dream senario.
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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#690 » by Rockice_8 » Wed Jun 2, 2010 6:19 pm

At #31 the Brooklyn Nets select Willie Warren

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJL6TB51PDs&feature=related[/youtube]

This dude has hops, sick range, handle, he can do it all. Yeah there is character concerns (I really don't know how overblown they are) but a 2nd rounder is low risk with super high reward.
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Post#691 » by demens » Wed Jun 2, 2010 7:10 pm

Screw it, i'm not against getting Amare anymore because of Favors. I'm convinced Favors wont average more then 15 minutes next year, then maybe 25 the year after. We can trade Amare or Favors in 2 years and worry about it when the time comes.
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Post#692 » by ChampionRed » Wed Jun 2, 2010 7:15 pm

I mean, would it be terrible for Amare to start (assuming we sign him) and Favors coming off the bench? I think it would do him good. Especially since he still needs to develop. But on the otherside of the coin, we are rebuilding. We have time to let our players work through their mistakes and grow as players.
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Post#693 » by demens » Wed Jun 2, 2010 7:17 pm

It just doesn't make sense to me that a top 3 pick will be playing behind a 5/80 mil PF. But it also doesn't make sense for a top 3 pick to be 2 years away from being ready to start. I thought since they stopped drafting HS players that was done with.
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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#694 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Jun 2, 2010 7:45 pm

demens wrote:But it also doesn't make sense for a top 3 pick to be 2 years away from being ready to start.
I thought since they stopped drafting HS players that was done with.

I have to agree with this.

If Favors is really that raw where he isn't qualified to start for an NBA team for two years, especially one so devoid of talent such as the current New Jersey Nets, I would shy away from him.

History has not been kind to players that are that big a project, yet have been drafted top 5.

Take a look at recent years and all the true projects with incredible upside that have gone top 5 and you will not find one outside of Dwight Howard that have realized much of their potential and most of them are full fledged busts, at least in relation to that draft position.

I'll list them and their draft position:
2009 - Hasheem Thabeet - 2nd overall
2007 - Yi Jianlian - 6xth overall
2006 - Andres Bargnani - 1st overall
2006 - Tyrus Thomas - 4th overall
2005 - Marvin Williams - 2nd overall
2005 - Martell Webster - 6xth overall
2004 - Dwight Howard - 1st overall
2004 - Shaun Livinston - 4th overall
2003 - Darko Milicic - 2nd overall
2002 - Nikoloz Tskitishvilli - 5th overall
2001 - Kwame Brown - 1st overall
2001 - Tyson Chandler - 2nd overall
2001 - Eddy Curry - 4th overall
2000 - Stromile Swift - 2nd overall
2000 - Darius Miles - 3rd overall

Yeah, a lot of these guys are straight out of high school, but I'm sayin'...

Kind of scary.
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Post#695 » by demens » Wed Jun 2, 2010 8:53 pm

A few of those have been compared to Favors too. Swift, Kwame (by me), Howard, Ty Thomas. Not digging the odds here.
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Post#696 » by enetric » Wed Jun 2, 2010 10:21 pm

Cruzeirao wrote:Parker and Splitter for Favors, Humpries, Yi and Harris?



Hate it. I think we lost in every angle in that deal.
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Post#697 » by enetric » Wed Jun 2, 2010 10:24 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:So how would people feel about something like:

Rights to Tiago Splitter/10th overall pick/20th overall pick

for

3rd overall pick

???


Any move we make will be respectful of cap space. I cant see us making a deal that gives up cap space. Turning down Dooling for Beasley should be a big fat indicator of that thinking as reported today on Nets Daily.

If we can get better and create MORE cap space we will do that. If not? I cant see is doing much before July 1st in the trade market. We could salary dump and take FUTURE picks to create more cap room...but moves that acquire NOW pieces and lower our cap room..cant see it happening nor should we do it IMO.
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Post#698 » by demens » Wed Jun 2, 2010 10:32 pm

Can we make a pact that if this "cap space" is used for "nothing" we can never speak of it the same way again and agree that (actual talented players) >>>>> (the hope of buying actual talented players aka cap space).

Because we're gonna be the same boat next year with plenty of cap space yet again.
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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#699 » by enetric » Wed Jun 2, 2010 10:47 pm

If we DO NOT land a big time big man in free agency...I think Favors will get a lot more minutes and be starting before the year is over. If we do...we can worry about it then. Nets could shock us all and still take Wes Johnson. But, as that I believe Johnson is a 3 not a 2 at all, and that we are going to go hard after Lebron and I like our chances...same situation.

So again...best talent available...and worry about line up later.

There is one thing that I keep thinking about with all the "raw" comments. A year ago when Favors and Cousin the most NBA ready big played head to head in HS...apparently Favors whipped Cousins ass. From what they were saying at the combine in Chicago, not close. The general feeling was Favors by a mile.

Take Turner if he is there, take Favors if he is not...hit free agency hard and figure out positions later.

"Battle In Birmingham: DeMarcus Cousins vs Derrick Favors

by: Rodger Bohn - Director of Prep Scouting
January 16, 2009
The University of Alabama-Birmingham played host to a high school showdown between #7 ranked South Atlanta HS (GA) and #9 ranked LeFlore HS (AL). The game also pegged elite big men Derrick Favors and DeMarcus Cousins against in a matchup to help decide who is the top big man in the class of 2009.

Favors proved to get the better end of this battle on the stat sheet, but it was Cousins who walked away with a convincing 78-66 victory. It was an impressive outing for both of these big men, though, forcing us to take a closer look at their performances and how they've progressed since AAU season.

Derrick Favors, 6'9, Power Forward, South Atlanta HS, 2009, Committed to Georgia Tech
36 Points, 19 Rebounds, 4 Blocks

Favors (#4 Rivals, #1 Scout, #2 ESPN) has already been covered quite in depth by DraftExpress over the years, so there is no reason to be redundant about the strengths that he already has. It's not hard to tell that you're looking at a very intriguing prospect when you see a player standing 6'9 with great length, terrific leaping ability, a promising frame, and a desire to defend. Rather than spend time on what we have already established about Favors, we opt to track the progress that he has made since we last evaluated him over the summer.

The most glaring change in Favors' game since we last saw him was certainly his ability to shoot the basketball from the perimeter. Always known as a player who strictly played within 8 feet of the basket, he has been working on expanding his game drastically over the last few months. Against Cousins and LeFlore, Favors showed off a gorgeous perimeter jumper that extended all the way out to the three point line. By our count, he drilled 6 jumpers from 15 feet and beyond, including one deep 3-pointer.

Favors also appears to have improved his ball-handling skills and even his footwork on the blocks. He displayed a nice right handed jump hook with a few counter moves, though it was still very clear that he preferred to go to his right instead of his left. The future Georgia Tech Yellow Jacket still has a considerable amount of work to do on his passing skills however, given the double teams that he will likely face at the collegiate level.

Favors was a force on the defensive end, rebounding the ball with great tenacity and blocking quite a few shots (certainly more than he was credited for) while staying out of foul trouble. He must improve upon his lateral foot-speed if he hopes to guard power forwards who like to face the basket, but there is unquestionably a significant amount of potential for the senior on this side of the ball.

Much of Favors’ role at Georgia Tech will depend upon whether star sophomore Gani Lawal declares for this year's NBA Draft. If Lawal sticks around, the Yellow Jackets will have a loaded frontline with Favors, Lawal, and the promising Alade Aminu. However if Lawal bolts to the NBA, there will be an immediate amount of playing time for Favors, including a significant role in the GT offense. Paul Hewitt has been known not to be shy about throwing his heralded freshman into the fire, starting with Chris Bosh and Jarrett Jack, as well as Javaris Crittenton, Thaddeus Young, and current freshman Iman Shumpert. Hewitt also has a reputation for developing players for the next level, which will bode well for Favors who appears to have a very solid work ethic. While it's a bit premature to say that Favors is a sure fire one and done player, he definitely has as good of a chance as any player in the class to bolt after his freshman campaign as long as he continues to develop at this rate.


DeMarcus Cousins, 6'10, Power Forward/Center, LeFlore HS, 2009, Considering UAB, Memphis, Washington, Kansas State, NC State, Wake Forest
21 Points, 12 Rebounds, 5 Assists, 5 Blocks, 1 Turnover, 9-13 FG

Cousins (#2 Rivals, #6 Scout, #4 ESPN) wasn't quite as dominant statistically as Favors, though he offered a vastly superior skill set during his performance. It was at times shocking to see a player of his stature move around the hardwood so gracefully while maintaining great body control and court presence. This game served as a reminder of how good Cousins can ultimately become if he exerts consistent effort and maximizes his talents.

The physical package is certainly there for DeMarcus, whether he opts to play power forward or center at the next level. Every bit of 6'10, he is already a massive 270 pounds and has a freakish wingspan that was measured at 7'6 at the 2008 LeBron James Skills Academy. Though carrying a bit of extra weight, he is surprisingly nimble and possesses solid quickness both laterally and off the dribble. Equally as impressive is his ability to get off of the ground, leaving some optimism as to how good of a leaper he could ultimately become if he toned his body. Cousins runs the floor well at times, but there are also instances when his sub-par conditioning and desire come into play, and he is one of the last players down the hardwood.

The Alabama native's offensive game is largely based around his ability to face the basket, which can be frustrating at times. He showed off a very smooth, effortless jumper from the perimeter against South Atlanta's 2-3 zone, drilling one 3-pointer and a number of 17-19 foot jumpers. He exhibited the ability to take Favors off of the dribble with his nifty perimeter skills, exhibited by a gorgeous drive to the rim that finished with a spin move and power dunk. There were a number of other drives to the rim and instances of the big man handling the ball in the open court that were awfully impressive, though it made one ponder if that is really what they want a player of his size doing on a consistent basis.

Even more impressive though was Cousins’ ability to pass the ball. Constantly keeping his head up, he was able to find the open man on a regular basis when faced with a double team. The stat sheet reflected this based on his 5 assists with one lone turnover, and the senior could have had a handful more assists had his teammates done a better job of finishing. This ability is going to translate immediately at the collegiate level due to the fact that at all of the programs recruiting him (with the exception of Wake Forest and Louisville), he will likely be the focal point of the post offense and will certainly be faced with multiple defenders consistently.

It is often times frustrating to see Cousins hang out on the perimeter as frequently as he does, when he could really be a massive force in the pivot if he desired to do so. Granted South Atlanta's compacted zone forced him out on the perimeter more often this game, but he is a player who still feels more comfortable doing his damage outside then in the paint. Even in the other times we observed, he opted to go to turnaround jumpers out of the post rather than power moves, which needs to change if he wants to become the dominant big man he has the potential to be.

There is a considerable amount of potential in Cousins as a defender, with the natural gifts and size he was blessed with. Showing very nice timing, he is able to block (and alter) a large number of shots with his big body and long arms. Likewise, Cousins is able to take up a ton of space around the rim with that body for rebounding, though he tends to rely on his size a bit much at times instead of fundamental boxing out. His rotations were very good last night, as seen by the two charges that he drew against South Atlanta players. How good of a defender Cousins wants to be is going to eventually come down to what sort of effort he chooses to exert on this end.

Cousins will have the opportunity to immediately come in and make a considerable impact at any of the schools that he has listed, given his combination of size, length, and offensive skills. His effort lapses and conditioning must improve if he hopes to reach his maximum draft potential, but he is certainly a player who will be closely followed by NBA scouts next season. As for where the big man will actually play next year, much still depends on whether or not UAB retains Mike Davis for 09-10. If they keep the former Indiana coach around for another campaign, it would be tough to see him landing anywhere else. However, without any assurance that Davis will be in Birmingham next season, this big man could very well take his services elsewhere—maybe even to Europe. "
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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#700 » by demens » Wed Jun 2, 2010 10:54 pm

You ever seen the Great White Hype?

I'm sure there is some loser that whooped John Walls ass when he was 14.

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