2010 NBA Draft Thread: Nets Select Derrick Favors

[vincecarter4pres]

I have to say, even with all his red flags that they mention, that is a glowing review of Cousins.

I really wish he was in better shape, he would easily be the 3rd pick, if not 1st or second, meaning we would be guaranteed a franchise type player.

[enetric]

Can we make a pact that if this "cap space" is used for "nothing" we can never speak of it the same way again and agree that (actual talented players) >>>>> (the hope of buying actual talented players aka cap space).

Because we're gonna be the same boat next year with plenty of cap space yet again.

Not sure what it is you are trying to say. But, if I understand what I think you want to say...its exactly what I believe we should not be saying. Its that lack of patience midset... Talent improvement is all that matters. If that guy is better than what you have...then do that.

Simply put, that thinking doesnt work for building an NBA team that is going anywhere. Its a stars league with a salary cap. Its a legue that says, your best franchise guy...great or just "OK" will be taking 25-35% of it. So I say...hld out for one that is worth it.

I believe the goal should be to build an NBA champion. I am saying you do that with superstars and a well set table of talent that can:
1- Develop
2- Be worth their % of cap space they cost you
3- Be enticing in a trades

So, making deals for guys that will take you absolutely no where than to the bottom of the middle or at best top of the middle of the pack (just missed playoffs Vs. one round and out) as they eat your cap space and your shot at drafting more talented prospects is a recipe for medicority. Sure, losing 70- games sucks. But give me a choice between 12-25 win season for 3-4 years and then a shot at a team that make it to the NBA finals withing the next 3-5, vs. 6 years of 35-45 wins followed by 3 25-35 win season with bad contracts you cant unload...I take scenario one as the frame of a decade I would prefer to see in my teams evolution.


Right now we did the 3 year strip down. Patience is all that matters and that is hard for younger fans to accept, hell for most old time fans as well. Get guys WORTH paying and until then stock the pond with rookie contract talent. Long term we will be better off. So if that isnt what you are all about then you can take that deal you offered and you know what to do with it. I want a shot at an elite level winner.

You think its false hope to go after elite players and to hold the door open for them? I think its false hope to go after players not quite good enough to win it all for you and pretend they "might" be. Except one thing. Your way ends cap space and all hope of getting the greats for a very long time due to contract length and NBA cap structure.

If we cant get Lebron, or Wade, or Melo next year and we are still holding out hope? Would I want an Al Jeff as my star???? Nah. I am going to hold out for a Durant. And with 12 win seasons...I like my chances. No, not the actual Durant...but the next big thing currently playing in High School.

[enetric]

I have to say, even with all his red flags that they mention, that is a glowing review of Cousins.

I really wish he was in better shape, he would easily be the 3rd pick, if not 1st or second, meaning we would be guaranteed a franchise type player.

I thought it was polite not glowing. Yes they had some glowing things to say couple of with some absolutely AWFUL things to say. And again, Favors ate the guy up. From what the comment were that I heard over the two day coverage of the combine...they felt Favors head to head...mushed him...and they didnt speak stats. They spoke observation.

[enetric]

You ever seen the Great White Hype?

I'm sure there is some loser that whooped John Walls ass when he was 14.

I would bet...there wasnt. But, this was a year ago, not at age 14. And since then...Cousins the fat out of shape guy went to Kentucky, was worked out every day in practice and declared for the draft 26 pounds FATTER. Feeling good about that?

[demens]

Its all muscle

[enetric]

Its all muscle

HAHA! I think his 12th highest ever body fat % would say it was all cheeseburgers, fries and a shake. Oh...and that ONE salad he ate but that one was covered with blue cheese, macadamia nuts and and some onion rings.

[demens]

Measured my BF% yesterday. I'm at 23%, so he got me beat. My "seafood diet" got me down from 28% at this time last year, but i'm not even sure if i'm measuring this thing correctly.

[vincecarter4pres]

DeMarcus Cousins is on the seefood diet. True story.

[enetric]

Measured my BF% yesterday. I'm at 23%, so he got me beat. My "seafood diet" got me down from 28% at this time last year, but i'm not even sure if i'm measuring this thing correctly.

Yeah but you arent trying to become a professional athlete who has to endure 2 a day practices, plan rides, bus trips and 3-5 NBA games per week for 6 months out of the year.

You have the perfect fat% to sit on your butt, eat crap and WATCH someone else do it though. Hell, at that body fat% you might be a starter.

[deviljets7]

Measured my BF% yesterday. I'm at 23%, so he got me beat. My "seafood diet" got me down from 28% at this time last year, but i'm not even sure if i'm measuring this thing correctly.

Yeah but you arent trying to become a professional athlete who has to endure 2 a day practices, plan rides, bus trips and 3-5 NBA games per week for 6 months out of the year.

You have the perfect fat% to sit on your butt, eat crap and WATCH someone else do it though. Hell, at that body fat% you might be a starter.

Not that I'm in any better shape.

Edit: Thanks for the new sig E

[orecchio14]

I think the rap on Cousins is a bit harsh>>>especially when you consider the guy flat out PRODUCED against every talented big in the country last year...something Favors did not.

Ill take the guy with the strong...advanced low post game over the run jump athlete every time.
When I see Favors I think K-mart minus the toughness. Its very rare a guy develops a well rounded post game from NOTHING over the course of a career. I watched a lot of Georgia Tech this year and Favors? INVISIBLE.

Cousins was the GO-TO scorer on a team that features FIVE FIRST ROUND PICKS!! Including a guy being touted as the best point guard prospect ever!!

Again we see red flags with Cousins. But there isnt a player in this draft outside of Wall who doesnt have red flags. Ill take the guy who can flat out play and likes to eat over the guy with the body builder physic who doesnt have a discernable offensive skill on the court.

[deviljets7]

It just doesn't make sense to me that a top 3 pick will be playing behind a 5/80 mil PF. But it also doesn't make sense for a top 3 pick to be 2 years away from being ready to start. I thought since they stopped drafting HS players that was done with.

This.

If you don't trust Favors enough to be more than a 15-20 mpg right away for this team as presently constructed, you absolutely can not draft him at #3.

[demens]

I watched a lot of Georgia Tech this year and Favors? INVISIBLE.

I wouldn't say i watched a lot, but when i did i saw the same thing. Invisible.

[orecchio14]

and when you turn a GT game LOOKING to see a certain player and her really doesnt impact that game...that is even more troubling

[vincecarter4pres]

I thought the same when I saw him towards the beginning of the season, but towards the end you could really see the improvement.
The fact is though, he's still raw as all hell and that includes on the defensive end.

DeMarcus Cousins was a flat out force. Obviously some of that has to be attributed to his size advantage, but there's no denying this kids talent, aggressive attitude and imposing physical measures.

I would love this kid if it wasn't for the fact he showed up to the combine so out of shape.
It just scares the hell out of me and almost seals his fate as to being able to play power forward, especially next to Brook.

I really hope Turner falls to us...

[demens]

I kind of dont want Turner after his measurements. He is a bit undersized for 3 and we have plenty of guys at the 2 who can't really be full time 3s either.

As for Favors, most of the games i watch were late season games, including an ACC tourney game and both of his NCAA tourney games and he was invisible most of the time.

Btw, Cousins did loose some weight (5 lbs) and who knows what his bf% was during the season.

[orecchio14]

If Turner is on the board, like him or not (and I think most do), you have to take him from a pure value standpoint.

This would be best case for the nets. And Turner can bring the pain...both offensively and defensivley

[vincecarter4pres]

Yeah, I'm not sure how someone can watch Turner and not come away largely impressed.
Even those that say he can't shoot, it's just really not true.
He has a nasty midrange game, solid form, a quick release and gets very good elevation on his shot and he can pull up off the dribble or spot up.

[vincecarter4pres]

I'm going back to the dark side...

[enetric]

I think the rap on Cousins is a bit harsh>>>especially when you consider the guy flat out PRODUCED against every talented big in the country last year...something Favors did not.

Ill take the guy with the strong...advanced low post game over the run jump athlete every time.
When I see Favors I think K-mart minus the toughness. Its very rare a guy develops a well rounded post game from NOTHING over the course of a career. I watched a lot of Georgia Tech this year and Favors? INVISIBLE.

Cousins was the GO-TO scorer on a team that features FIVE FIRST ROUND PICKS!! Including a guy being touted as the best point guard prospect ever!!

Again we see red flags with Cousins. But there isnt a player in this draft outside of Wall who doesnt have red flags. Ill take the guy who can flat out play and likes to eat over the guy with the body builder physic who doesnt have a discernable offensive skill on the court.

And when I see Cousins I see Eddy Curry plus 100 cases of White Castle...extra cheese.

BTW, Curry had a great low post game. Who would you rather have...Kmart or Eddy Curry? Seems your every time argument isnt all that strong.

The guy flat out produced half the game for the minutes he was on the floor...and the other half watched as the rest of the team ran down the court. He wont be pushing around children anymore. He will be asked to play in the NBA. And the problem with the analysis making the argument about what you saw on national TV featuring a top program is just that. It leads you to believe that top NCAA teams are just a slight drop off from the NBA.

When I see a guy that young, that out of shape...actually in WORSE shape since going to the elite college program...I seriously worry about paying him big bucks to see if he can play twice as many minutes per night and three times the ammount of games. Add in that the rap on him is that he not all that coachable...that he doesnt like to listen, and the indicators are not terribly good that he will capitilize on his skills. Its funny though. Every season It feels like I have had this conversation about some big name guy that the fans think how can you pass on this big name college guy from the big name team who we saw all the time?

THis situation? Reminds me of Sean May. Almost the exact conversation. A fat ass big name guy who made a name for himself from a huge program that had 4 guys taken in the first round. That guy actually won the tournament...his team didnt flame out. Hell, he was tourney MVP. People were shocked when he dropped down the board. I wasnt. Maybe Cousins will surprise all these scouts, GM's and me...who think...no thanks. But I am hoping we pass so we dont get the next Sean May. I posted the list of all the extrmely fat batards who have been measured at the combines earlier in the thread. WHen you see someone who made a radical trnasformation on that list...you let us know.

As for athletes who are primarily catch and dunk bigs? Seems like there are plenty of those that can be successful. Scouts seem to feel he did improve almost every week in some area but that he wasnt on the best team for his skills. By the way...want an athletic big man who had limitted game when he came into the NBA and improved massively? How about Karl Malone. Not saying this is Karl Malone but if he is Kmart...hell I'll take that with a #3 pick. Last time it cost us a #1.