Wiz Acquire Hinrich, Seraphin, $3M for Veermenko's rights

[Ruzious]

Getting Hinrich doesn't make much sense. Could it be that he'll go to Atlanta for a re-signed Childress? Not saying I like it, but it makes more sense.

[AceDegenerate]

Yes, if anything I can THANK Ernie Grunfeld for making the Draft tonight MORE EXCITING for once.

If they flub the pick, I'll be right there to bash him for it though.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

:sigh:

Its getting worse not better guys.

granthpaulsen
#Wizards apparently paying $3 million for the draft pick on top of taking Hinrich's contract. All told: could be $20 mill to get pick No.17

What folks on this board need to wake up and see is the mentality of the organization.

KNEE JERK

The past draft they went in determined that no player at 5 could help. They'd had enough of young players and were determined to sell picks (rather than to draft Blair cheaply in round 2) and to pay for veterans (Oberto and going over the cap for Miller and Foye). What ends up happening? Same young guys they didn't care for matured and played very well once they gave away Haywood, along with Butler and Jamison. AND THE GUYS THEY DIDN'T DRAFT turned out to be tremendous rookies. Stephen Curry was better than Foye, as predicted. That was last year.

This season: Their prime motivation as far as I can tell, is not just Ted's build through draft picks. It's really GET RID OF GIL AT ALL COSTS. They go and get a worse, overpaid guard and are once again negotiating from a position of weakness. Gilbert will be given away for whatever they can get. Wizards feared some kind of contamination or bad influence from Gilbert IMO.

Seems to me the smart thing would have been to let Gilbert's stock improve THEN trade him for more than what they're going to get.

Sorry for the rant, but this team really gets to me some times.

[wake20]

Regardless of your opinion of Hinrich or whether or not this is a deep draft, we may go down as the reason the Bulls become legit title contenders for the next 5+ years. When we finally rebuild and they smoke us in the playoffs, we will have no one to blame but ourselves.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Getting Hinrich doesn't make much sense. Could it be that he'll go to Atlanta for a re-signed Childress? Not saying I like it, but it makes more sense.

IF that happens, then I'll do like Gilda Radner on SNL .... "Never mind."

If they get the pick, keep Gil, bring in Childress ... then EG doesn't look like he's clueless.

[GhostsOfGil]

love it. absolutely love it.
i guess we can say goodbye to SL tho...

[Dat2U]

So we have 2 examples so far, and both were made by us. Unfortunately we can't trade Arenas to ourselves, shoot! (no pun intended) Not only was Garnett traded for Jefferson and picks (which is so far from being a salary dump it's a comical suggestion), but how can Wizards fans of all people not realize that Grunfeld ROBBED Dallas and Cleveland by getting them to take Butler and Jamison off our hands. Two horribly overrated players who made their team's worse.

Folks like myself remember can strangely remember what people posted months ago.

You can't have it both ways. First you credit EG for building a team that featured Jamison & Butler and how close they were to possibly competing in the East before running into bad luck. You gave him a pass on this past season b/c of unforseen circumstances. Ok, I get that, I guess.

Now, EG was brilliant for being able to dump Jamison & Butler b/c they were horribly overrated players who made their team worse.

You sound like Lyrical Rico, you conform your opinion to whatever benefits the viewpoint that EG is the best thing since sliced bread. It's ridiculous, laughable & downright disingenuous.

[sfam]

Regardless of your opinion of Hinrich or whether or not this is a deep draft, we may go down as the reason the Bulls become legit title contenders for the next 5+ years. When we finally rebuild and they smoke us in the playoffs, we will have no one to blame but ourselves.

But you can make that argument against any team in the eastern conference that we execute a BOYD strategy with. Essentially you're saying we shouldn't be doing a BOYD strategy. At least Chicago isn't in our division.

[JonathanJoseph]

Monster move. Why are we knocking this? Seriously, this is a GREAT move.

Okay, put down the crack pipe - we're not getting Carmelo (and I don't think he's a 1st option on a title team), and we're not getting Durant. Okay? Okay? Now that that's settled, there's nothing wrong with taking back semi-bad contracts in order to get more assets. And it's only 2 years, it becomes a nice expiring next year that we can actually use in a trade, instead of betting the farm on a big FA in 2011.

Good trade by the new regime.

After first disliking the deal I'm coming around to this. Hinrich's contract is too big, but he's a good, smart player who will fit well and contribute for 2 years in the worst case scenario. A Wall/Arenas/Hinrich backcourt is awfully good and news that Childress will come over to play the 3. With 3 other picks tonight we get at least 2 big bodies and maybe a wing prospect and the Wiz are looking at a pretty nice roster STILL with cap space.

[Ji]

I thought we were rebuilding? How is getting Hienrich and Childress rebuilding? Those are pieces you add when your trying to win a title

[Silvie Lysandra]

Childress would be a bad move at over 2 years with a 3rd year team option. And the fact that we offered Arenas for Carter is truly disquieting. But this is a good move in a vacuum.

[yungal07]

Hopefully this leads to an Arenas trade. It doesn't make sense to commit all this salary to Hinrich and Arenas.

This is not a good trade for the Wiz, unless they can flip Hinrich somewhere else.

[sfam]

:sigh:

Its getting worse not better guys.

granthpaulsen
#Wizards apparently paying $3 million for the draft pick on top of taking Hinrich's contract. All told: could be $20 mill to get pick No.17

What folks on this board need to wake up and see is the mentality of the organization.

KNEE JERK

The past draft they went in determined that no player at 5 could help. They'd had enough of young players and were determined to sell picks (rather than to draft Blair cheaply in round 2) and to pay for veterans (Oberto and going over the cap for Miller and Foye). What ends up happening? Same young guys they didn't care for matured and played very well once they gave away Haywood, along with Butler and Jamison. AND THE GUYS THEY DIDN'T DRAFT turned out to be tremendous rookies. Stephen Curry was better than Foye, as predicted. That was last year.

This season: Their prime motivation as far as I can tell, is not just Ted's build through draft picks. It's really GET RID OF GIL AT ALL COSTS. They go and get a worse, overpaid guard and are once again negotiating from a position of weakness. Gilbert will be given away for whatever they can get. Wizards feared some kind of contamination or bad influence from Gilbert IMO.

Seems to me the smart thing would have been to let Gilbert's stock improve THEN trade him for more than what they're going to get.

Sorry for the rant, but this team really gets to me some times.

Not to get in the way of a good rant, but I think its fairly clear that last year's strategy was all about getting another playoff run for Pollin before he passed on. That pretty much explains the moves. And again, I don't see Hinrich as a sign Arenas is leaving. I see it as a sign that Young is probably leaving, but more to the point, I see it as a sign that they want some adult supervision at the guard spot. I want to see the rest of the moves, but its hardly a bad idea to have a solid character guy who can shoot as our backup for both guard spots.

[keynote]

Count me in the "cautiously optimistic" camp. The Wizards have 3 picks + $8M in cap room to play with. I also don't think that there will be that many attractive trading partners desperate to dump salary near at the trading deadline as they were this year. Obviously, next year's FA crop is weak. Moreover, I can't think of too many teams with young talent seeking to creep in under the luxury tax (the other primary motivator for lopsided deals). I guess we could try to get something from ORL, but who?

So, with Hinrich, we get a decent locker room guy who's actually defensive-minded (as opposed to last year's draft day pick-ups, who were offensive-minded). As for the pick, I agree with Spence et al. that we'll be able to further evaluate this trade once we see what's available at 17. But the sky ain't falling, as far as I can see.

[JonathanJoseph]

:sigh:

Its getting worse not better guys.

granthpaulsen
#Wizards apparently paying $3 million for the draft pick on top of taking Hinrich's contract. All told: could be $20 mill to get pick No.17

What folks on this board need to wake up and see is the mentality of the organization.

KNEE JERK

The past draft they went in determined that no player at 5 could help. They'd had enough of young players and were determined to sell picks (rather than to draft Blair cheaply in round 2) and to pay for veterans (Oberto and going over the cap for Miller and Foye). What ends up happening? Same young guys they didn't care for matured and played very well once they gave away Haywood, along with Butler and Jamison. AND THE GUYS THEY DIDN'T DRAFT turned out to be tremendous rookies. Stephen Curry was better than Foye, as predicted. That was last year.

This season: Their prime motivation as far as I can tell, is not just Ted's build through draft picks. It's really GET RID OF GIL AT ALL COSTS. They go and get a worse, overpaid guard and are once again negotiating from a position of weakness. Gilbert will be given away for whatever they can get. Wizards feared some kind of contamination or bad influence from Gilbert IMO.

Seems to me the smart thing would have been to let Gilbert's stock improve THEN trade him for more than what they're going to get.

Sorry for the rant, but this team really gets to me some times.

CCJ,

Not trying to flmae but maybe the ranting is putting a negative bias on your viewpoint? I don't have any idea where you are seeing a "Get rid of Gil at all costs" agenda. I see a Wall/Arenas/Hinrich backcourt looking pretty good on paper and Leonsis has made every effort to repair the relationship between Arenas and the organization. Where is there any indication, other than blind media rumors, that the Wiz are making any serious effort to trade Arenas right now?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I thought we were rebuilding? How is getting Hienrich and Childress rebuilding? Those are pieces you add when your trying to win a title

It's rebuilding EG style. Aim toward the middle of the pack but pay through the ceiling high.

[Dat2U]

Regardless of your opinion of Hinrich or whether or not this is a deep draft, we may go down as the reason the Bulls become legit title contenders for the next 5+ years. When we finally rebuild and they smoke us in the playoffs, we will have no one to blame but ourselves.

But you can make that argument against any team in the eastern conference that we execute a BOYD strategy with. Essentially you're saying we shouldn't be doing a BOYD strategy. At least Chicago isn't in our division.

No you can't. This is a unique situation. I'm mainly taking about Chicago & Miami. The two teams in position to land two legitimate stars and surround them with additional talent (CHI: Rose & Noah, MIA: Wade).

We might get Elliot Williams out of it, but if this deal helps Chicago land LeBron & someone else, we'll be signing the blues for the next 5 years.

[Silvie Lysandra]

Let it be known that I do not fear LeBron James as a #1 option - this year's playoffs showed he is not a mentally tough player, and if he's not mentally tough by now, I doubt he will ever get that way.

Kobe was an assassin at 21. LeBron just padded his stats in the regular season and lost to every decent team he faced in the playoffs. He needed to play 8x5 basketball just to get past a flawed Wizards team, and he was outplayed by our own Gilbert Arenas. Why should we be scared of LeBron? I'd be more scared if they got *Wade* - Wade is a winner.

Sure Noah/Bosh/LeBron/filler/Rose looks scary, but what I see there is playoff losers and playoff chokers enmasse. Will Rose be the closer in the 4th when the pressure is on? Who knows. But don't assume the Bulls will be winning title after title after title.

[Silvie Lysandra]

Let it be known that I do not fear LeBron James as a #1 option - this year's playoffs showed he is not a mentally tough player, and if he's not mentally tough by now, I doubt he will ever get that way.

Kobe was an assassin at 21. LeBron just padded his stats in the regular season and lost to every decent team he faced in the playoffs. He needed to play 8x5 basketball just to get past a flawed Wizards team, and he was outplayed by our own Gilbert Arenas. Why should we be scared of LeBron? I'd be more scared if they got *Wade* - Wade is a winner.

Sure Noah/Bosh/LeBron/filler/Rose looks scary, but what I see there is playoff losers and playoff chokers enmasse. Will Rose be the closer in the 4th when the pressure is on? Who knows. But don't assume the Bulls will be winning title after title after title.

[sfam]

Hopefully this leads to an Arenas trade. It doesn't make sense to commit all this salary to Hinrich and Arenas.

This is not a good trade for the Wiz, unless they can flip Hinrich somewhere else.

Why? Arenas is locked up for 4 years. If he's 3/4 the player he used to be, and shows he can play well with Wall, why would this move mean we are getting rid of him? Its clearly a sign of no-confidence to Nick Young, but guess what - the guy sucks. On top of this, Hinrich might be a nice asset as an expiring next year, assuming we have a season, that is.

Bottom line, they eye is on 3-4 years from now. The next two years are sort of irrelevant, other than to develop our talent, that is.