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Wiz Acquire Hinrich, Seraphin, $3M for Veermenko's rights

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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#161 » by Silvie Lysandra » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:22 pm

Dat2U wrote:Someone please tell me the 2nd best player LeBron has had the fortune of playing with since he's been in the NBA.

I rest my case.


Excuses, excuses, excuses. The guy is not a winner, and I'm not scared of him going to a stacked team. The talent and skill is there, the intangibles and heart is not. And frankly, how do you know he will mesh that well with the rest of the team?

Kobe added a 7'0 version of Antwan Jamison and now people think Gasol is the best big man in the NBA. I wonder how Gasol would do with someone like LeBron?

I'd be worried if D-Wade went there, and I'm worried that Thibs will have them playing Celtics level defense (imo EG's worst mistake; he should have canned EJ in favor of Thibodeau) but I'm not worried about LeBron (lots of regular season wins, playoff loser).
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#162 » by mhd » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:23 pm

DA saying that we'll keep Hinrich:

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/06/24/wiza ... ef:nbahpt2

I'm kind of sick to see us helping the Bulls get FA room for 2 max guys. If they sign Joe Johnson, then great because he isn't worth the max. If its Lebron, then its a bad move.
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#163 » by Hoopalotta » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:23 pm

LyricalRico wrote:
fishercob wrote:
WizarDynasty wrote:Who feels a need at position 17


I do. You feel it too?


:lol:


:rofl:
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#164 » by sfam » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:24 pm

NbdyBeatsTheWiz wrote:one thing I don't get is all the rumors we're targeting guards at 17. Babbitt, George, Patterson, and Aldrich were Thomsen's picks 11-14, I'd be salivating heavy if one of them dropped to #17.


If any of those dropped, I agree, I'd be pissed if we got yet another 6'6'' swingman.
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#165 » by wake20 » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:24 pm

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wake20 wrote:nbadraftnet‎: Rumor Damion James could be the target at 17 for Washington Wizards


I haven't looked at James at all, nor do I remember him playing. Anyone watch him last year who remembers?


I've seen a lot of projections with him going 20 to SA FWIW
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Post#166 » by eltacoman » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:26 pm

send him to the pacers for brandon rush
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#167 » by Dat2U » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:27 pm

Chaos Revenant wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Someone please tell me the 2nd best player LeBron has had the fortune of playing with since he's been in the NBA.

I rest my case.


Excuses, excuses, excuses. The guy is not a winner, and I'm not scared of him going to a stacked team. The talent and skill is there, the intangibles and heart is not. And frankly, how do you know he will mesh that well with the rest of the team?

Kobe added a 7'0 version of Antwan Jamison and now people think Gasol is the best big man in the NBA. I wonder how Gasol would do with someone like LeBron?

I'd be worried if D-Wade went there, and I'm worried that Thibs will have them playing Celtics level defense (imo EG's worst mistake; he should have canned EJ in favor of Thibodeau) but I'm not worried about LeBron (lots of regular season wins, playoff loser).


I can't argue with you if you really believe that's true. I'd be just wasting my time.

Still waiting for an answer on my question though.
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#168 » by The Consiglieri » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:27 pm

Dat2U wrote:
nate33 wrote:Bottom line: Melo looks like he is not an option.

I'd rather have Hinrich + #17 + $8M in cap room next year than $16M in cap room and no one to spend it on. I think Hinrich is a very good fit character-wise. He will help instill an emphasis on defense and hustle. We've got a lot of young guys to groom. We need one or two guys like Hinrich to set the tone.

We still have $12M in cap room right now so it's not like we won't be able to make opportunistic Trade Deadline deals later this year.


I said it the other day. You don't base a strategy on one potential free agent. You have a plan & stick with it. I feel like I'm talking to a bunch of brick walls. Having the cap space wasn't about eventually signing a free agent, it was about saving the space until the right moment where we could make a lopsided deal & poach quality talent from another team.

But EG blew nearly all of it on one deal. Even worse, its a player without an expiring and it seriously benefits a conference rival. No one can sit up here and honestly tell me the #17 pick in the draft was worth $20 million!

Go over to Bulls board and you'll see a board in collective celebration right now.


No, it wasn't, but i think there were a lot of clues coming from Leonsis that this is what he wanted. He wanted a fire sale, and he wanted the team to build young. I think he wants to create a collection of young players that come up together with Wall as there leader. I dont think Leonsis cares that we wont be players the next two years. I think he believes (somewhat rightly), that trying to strap a veteran superstar to Wall in year 2 of his career may negatively impact his ability to be the teams leader and to build young, instead, the focus being the interplay between the young stud and the veteran me guy. I think what he wants is to land 4 or 5 draft picks in this draft, surround them w/Wall as there leader, w/guys like Hinrich, Blatche, McGee etc as clear secondary guys who can and will be shipped out of they aren't w/the program. Essentially, i think he sees us as Ok City #2. Or The Capitals of Hoops. I don't think he wants anything other than to build a team w/young, and hungry kids, and then add smart, veteran help by year 3 or 4 when we know exactly what we need, and what kind of player that will come in and won't challenge Wall as the leader.

That's what's up to me. You can argue w/the sense of it to some degree, especially blowing up the cap again for the next two years in a sense, but there is sound reasoning (and revealing quotes) behind the idea that we did not want to be players in these back to back free agency bonanza's.

One other positive? We'll be players in next years draft because we'll suck again. That's valuable. If we can do well in that lottery, maybe we'll get the stud we need. Regardless, it seems clear, the franchise wants to build young, and I for one, am for it. My only issue is that I would have preferred to wait it out longer, to see whose actually there. I wonder if part of the reason we did the deal is a desire to trade up?
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#169 » by no D in Hibachi » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:29 pm

The past two seasons the Wiz have had valuable assets; the #5 pick in the draft and a ton of cap space. Two years in a row they've sacrificed said asset to acquire a small overrated guard who has been dubbed as the "back up PG". Both times the Wiz paid well above market value. Both times the fans of the other teams cried tears of joy because they were happy to get rid of their overrated small guard. The first time was an epic failure, but I tried to convince myself the deal was a pretty good deal for the Wiz. I just don't see how I can convince myself that this is good trade when everything indicates this is a bad trade for the Wiz. Fool me once EG...
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Post#170 » by keynote » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:29 pm

FYI, Mike Who? just debunked the Wizards/Childress rumor via Twitter.
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#171 » by sfam » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:30 pm

Dat2U wrote:[Still waiting for an answer on my question though.


I agree that if Lebron is put together with a Bosh or Wade type calibur player, he very well could win multiple championships. Bottom line, he needs a team he can rely on. While I think he's a whiney jerk, I don't see Lebron as a loser. I don't think he has the fire of a Kobe or Jordan, but then again, few do. He's more of an Agassi to Kobe's Pete Sampras. But Agassi eventually got it together enough to bring home quite a bit of hardware.

If I had to guess, Lebron will finish his career with around 1-3 championship trophies.
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#172 » by tkunit » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:31 pm

so another meh deal by the wizards. Melo was never going to happen so I'm not worried aobut that. Unless we get a steal at 17 its just another whatever we are stuck in mediocor land deal.
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#173 » by no D in Hibachi » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:33 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
wake20 wrote:Regardless of your opinion of Hinrich or whether or not this is a deep draft, we may go down as the reason the Bulls become legit title contenders for the next 5+ years. When we finally rebuild and they smoke us in the playoffs, we will have no one to blame but ourselves.


Why does Denver have Ty Lawson? Why does San Antonio have Blair (and Roger Mason the year before that)? Why do the Timberwolves have the rights to Rubio (I say should have been Stephen Curry)? Why does Dallas have Brendan Haywood's rights when Cuban would have done the Butler deal without Haywood being included in the deal?

Why is somebody sure to get Arenas for basically a ham sandwich soon?

"We have no one to blame but ourselves" EG will be long fired is my prediction, when Chicago owns a couple championships in the next 5 years, and as the Wizards keep rebuilding around a 40-win team.

I've got no way to predict the future but I can see where EG is setting other teams better than a volleyball setter from the back row.


:clap: :clap: :clap:


I completely agree.
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#174 » by BruceO » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:38 pm

Meh. I'll just wait to see what happens later. I hope all this goes towards trading perhaps with the kings for the number 4 draft pick and get cousins. Otherwise it's too much to pay for a 17th pick. Although I do like Damion James at that spot and I don't know why he kinda reminds me of pierce. Anyway I'll wait till all the moves are over ( or not) I'm super anxious and keep refreshing to see what wiretap got to say.
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#175 » by JAR69 » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:39 pm

Seems to fit Ted's rebuild plan, albeit a bit expensive:

7. No jerks allowed. Implement a no jerk policy. Draft and develop and keep high character people. Team chemistry is vital to success. Make sure the best and highest paid players are coachable, show respect to the system, want to be in the city, love to welcome new, young players to the team, have respect for the fan base, show joy in their occupation, get the system, believe in the coaches, have fun in practice, and want to be gym rats. Dump quickly distractions. Life is too short to drink bad wine.

8. Add veterans to the team via shorter term deals as free agents. Signing long-term, expensive deals for vets is very risky. We try to add vets to the mix for two year or three year deals. They fill in around our young core. They are very important for leadership, but they must complement the young core (NOT try to overtake them or be paid more than them). Identify and protect the core. Add veterans to complement them, not visa versa.

Lots of options here. Keep Kirk as a mentor. Trade GA when his value increases. Trade Kirk to Indy to get #10.

Wait and see.
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#176 » by Tiago » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:39 pm

"The Heat traded shooting guard Daequan Cook and the No. 18 selection in Thursday's draft to the Thunder, in exchange for the No. 32 pick. Cook was due to make about $2.2 million next season"

So OKC swallows $2.2M for a 18th pick and the Wiz swallows $17M for a 17th pick!I hope there is a deal coming out very soon! :-?
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Post#177 » by Ruzious » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:41 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Ji wrote:I thought we were rebuilding? How is getting Hienrich and Childress rebuilding? Those are pieces you add when your trying to win a title


It's rebuilding EG style. Aim toward the middle of the pack but pay through the ceiling high.

Well said, CCJ.

I assumed Ted's presence would prevent EG from doing something like this. But what I'm guessing is that EG figured - "Dude, my job depends on getting at least a mid 1st rounder. I've had no success, so it's either this or get fired." It's stupid, but maybe that's basically what went through EG's brain.

Either that, or he's collecting 6'4 guards. Elliot Williams, anyone? I loved him as an underrated player at 30, but to trade up to 17 for him makes no sense.
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#178 » by Mizerooskie » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:45 pm

I don't get this board sometimes.

It seems the majority think Hinrich is terrible and is overpaid, yet want Gilbert Arenas (he of the gun trouble, multiple knee surgeries, no defense, and $18.5 million salary) to be retained. And just about everyone was clamoring for a BOYD deal, yet when one is made, it's only the minority that celebrate it.

I frankly don't care if OKC made a better deal. The Wiz, a rebuilding team, picked up a mid-first draft pick in a very strong draft. They were never going to get Lebron this year (the only player worth the max), and likely aren't a realistic destination for Carmelo next year. Who cares what they paid for the draft pick, so long as Ted's willing to pay it? It's not like the team was going to be seriously competitive for a few years.
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#179 » by Dat2U » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:47 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Ji wrote:I thought we were rebuilding? How is getting Hienrich and Childress rebuilding? Those are pieces you add when your trying to win a title


It's rebuilding EG style. Aim toward the middle of the pack but pay through the ceiling high.

Well said, CCJ.

I assumed Ted's presence would prevent EG from doing something like this. But what I'm guessing is that EG figured - "Dude, my job depends on getting at least a mid 1st rounder. I've had no success, so it's either this or get fired." It's stupid, but maybe that's basically what went through EG's brain.

Either that, or he's collecting 6'4 guards. Elliot Williams, anyone? I loved him as an underrated player at 30, but to trade up to 17 for him makes no sense.


Totally agree. I think EG felt pressured to make some type of deal and this was "his best effort". Plus I think he's always liked Hinrich so this is his own little FA acquisition since Teddy probably won't let him spend away in FA.

I'd be fine with Williams at 30 or 35 but yeah, at 17 he makes no sense whatsoever.
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#180 » by miller31time » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:48 pm

I didn't think there was ANY way my excitement and pure joy for the day of drafting John Wall could be stifled or even partially dampened.

Well, in true Wizards fashion, they just can't let their fans have one friggin happy moment without spoiling it with depression.

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