Arenas for Vince or dump Arenas for cap space?

[AceDegenerate]

I'd say Paul Pierce was in a similar situation a few years ago with Boston, his contract was less but similar nonetheless. At the point they decided to rebuild, had they traded away Paul Pierce, they never win the championship in 2008. They also may have never acquired Garnett and Allen because they wouldn't have wanted to play with such a young team.

John Wall or not, rookies don't get a lot of respect in this league it needs to be earned through their play on the court. If the Wizards trade Gilbert now, and Wall is a huge bust, this team is done for 10 years.

[GoneShammGone]

I definitely understand the "would you sign Gil for $80 million right now?" argument. I can't really argue with it. But if it is actually possible to move Gil for expirings this summer, why wouldn't it be possible to still do so at the trade deadline? Why wouldn't it be possible to do so next summer?

Sure, Gil could do something stupid and violate his probation, or he could get unlucky and get injured again. So there are significant risks to passing up a deal now if its on the table, but how likely are these worst-case scenarios?

And then there's the huge potential upside of seeing what we've got with Gil and Wall for the better part of a season. Is it really so hard to imagine a scenario in which Gil is worth the money we owe him over the next couple seasons? If Gil returns as a 25/5/5 dynamic SG who can play passable defense on opposing SGs, hit clutch shots, and light up the area with his personality, isn't that worth 20 million a year? I know I'm thinking emotionally here, but there is nothing I would like to see more than Gil achieving a measure of redemption in a Wizards uniform.

Bottom line, I recognize that at some point Gil probably needs to go. But given the part of me that holds out hope for a full-fledged revival of the Agent Zero phenomena alongside the development of Wall, I'm really hoping that we end up taking a season-long flyer on the Gil/Wall experiment.

If it doesn't work, I think its likely we'll be able to get reasonable value for him at the trade deadline.

[W. Unseld]

I can't say I've parsed through the opinion but my understaning of the most recent Supreme Court decision would be that what precious little Gil did do would now be legal (as it would have been in about 1/2 the states anyway). Stupid and all of that but I'm sick of him getting hung out to dry as if he's some thug, when we all know he isn't and he does a ton of good charity work and doesn't toot his own horn about it.

[LyricalRico]

If it doesn't work, I think its likely we'll be able to get reasonable value for him at the trade deadline.

I think that's debateable. On the one hand, it makes sense that a healthy Gil showing his wares for half a season would have higher value than a guy just released from a halfway house. But OTOH, many of the scenarios in which Gil could be dealt involve teams that will have loads of cap space to burn over the summer. Por ejemplo: If the Knicks lose out on LeBron, they are still going to spend their cap space on somebody and thus may not have the room to make a Curry-for-Gil trade at mid-season.

Would there be Gil scenarios at the deadline? Probably so, but IMO they are much more likely to involve us taking longterm contracts back. IMO it's far more likely that we can get real cap savings by doing a trade with a team this summer that's panicking after not getting their FA targets. In the end I think Ted/Ernie take the first Gil deal that gives them mostly expirings in return, whether that's on July 8 or February 8.

[fishercob]

Shouldn't you just wait to post until a trade is made or not made so you can applaud Ernie's decision either way? You really have no opinion on the matter, just that Ernie's right.

[fishercob]

Shouldn't you just wait to post until a trade is made or not made so you can applaud Ernie's decision either way? You really have no opinion on the matter, just that Ernie's right.

Great post!

[nate33]

Shouldn't you just wait to post until a trade is made or not made so you can applaud Ernie's decision either way? You really have no opinion on the matter, just that Ernie's right.

Great post!

[LyricalRico]

Sounds more like you're just upset that things aren't going your way and you're going to take it out on anybody who disagrees with you. I realize that looking pragmatically at real life so as to find the positives instead of incessantly criticizing because you're holding on to fantasy trades and pipe dream scenarios is a radical idea on internet message boards, but I guess I'm just a maverick.

[fishercob]

:lol:

Sounds more like you're just upset that things aren't going your way and you're going to take it out on anybody who disagrees with you. I realize that looking pragmatically at real life so as to find the positives instead of incessantly criticizing because you're holding on to fantasy trades and pipe dream scenarios is a radical idea on internet message boards, but I guess I'm just a maverick.

Things aren't going my way? What are you even talking about? I evaluate everything Ernie does on a case by case basis. I've defended him and I've criticized him. You're shtick is a joke of a broken record. For whatever reason you've latched on to Ernie as some sort of infallible messiah. What is it about him that has made him the object of your affection?

Is is his mustache? If it's his mustache, you'd be better off worshiping Rollie Fingers or Calgary Flames legend Lanny MacDonald.

Is his nasal voice? You'd do better setting up a shrine to the teacher on Charlie Brown.

Is his his Jewishness? You'd be better off worshiping Benny Feilhaber, me, half of Scarlett Johanson (preferably the top half) or Sarah Silverman.

Is it his giant ass? If you're an assman, you should google Bernard King, Kim Kardashian or some old Seinfeld episodes.

No matter what it is, I miss the old Rico who spent the lion's share of his time concocting absurdly terrible 5-way trades, rather than defending every crappy move by our middling GM.

[Hoopalotta]

80's ballboy with this link....

http://www.clickorlando.com/magic/24076330/detail.html

Pingalore is also being told that Gortat is on the trading block with Vince Carter. Where they might end up is still unknown.

Pingalore's sources said that Washington could be a destination point as the Magic are trying to work a trade for guard Gilbert Arenas. Pingalore was also told that if Dwight Howard is OK with Arenas playing in Orlando, the trade will go through.

It seems the Magic have given up on getting Chris Paul from New Orleans because the Hornets' front office is not responding to the trade proposal from the Magic.

[nate33]

80's ballboy with this link....

http://www.clickorlando.com/magic/24076330/detail.html

Pingalore is also being told that Gortat is on the trading block with Vince Carter. Where they might end up is still unknown.

Pingalore's sources said that Washington could be a destination point as the Magic are trying to work a trade for guard Gilbert Arenas. Pingalore was also told that if Dwight Howard is OK with Arenas playing in Orlando, the trade will go through.

It seems the Magic have given up on getting Chris Paul from New Orleans because the Hornets' front office is not responding to the trade proposal from the Magic.

Hmmm:

Washington trades: Arenas + Ross
Washington receives: Vince + Gortat

Orlando trades: Vince + Gortat
Orlando receives: Arenas + Yi

New Jersey trades: Yi
New Jersey receives: Ross + TPE

I'm not sure I particularly want Gortat at this point with Seraphin on the roster. We need a center with a 1-year or 2-year contract at most. Gortat has, what, 4 years left on an MLE contract?

[AceDegenerate]

This team is on the fast track back to nowhere real fast.

[LyricalRico]

This team is on the fast track back to nowhere real fast.

I still don't understand why this would be a shock to anybody. Ted said from Day One that this team is rebuilding, which we all know is owner-speak for "we're going to stink for a while". Most of us have probably made a post in one thread or another acknoledging that. So if we all knew that's what he was going to do...why get upset when it actually happens?

[AceDegenerate]

Ted also said Gilbert should be welcomed back to the Wizards and that he will be playing for the team next season.

Apparently, Ted talks too much and what he says doesn't mean ****.

[Hoopalotta]

Nate, I don't think they meant Carter and Gortat were necessarily a package that were going to the same spot, but rather they were both going to get kicked out of the Mouskateers one way or another.

Orlando would really be going all in here.

[yungal07]

Ted also said Gilbert should be welcomed back to the Wizards and that he will be playing for the team next season.

Apparently, Ted talks too much and what he says doesn't mean ****.

No, you're just being dense because you mistook a public statement for truth.

This is chess, not checkers.

[LyricalRico]

Apparently, Ted talks too much and what he says doesn't mean ****.

Hey, that's pretty much true of all of us.

[AceDegenerate]

Ted also said Gilbert should be welcomed back to the Wizards and that he will be playing for the team next season.

Apparently, Ted talks too much and what he says doesn't mean ****.

No, you're just being dense because you mistook a public statement for truth.

This is chess, not checkers.

Rico and others are also taking the Public statement of "We're Rebuilding" as truth too aren't they?

The reality could very well be Ted is a spectacular con artist with lots of money who is way more interested in turning a profit than winning anything.

Time will tell.

[Kanyewest]

Sure, Gil could do something stupid and violate his probation, or he could get unlucky and get injured again.

If Gil violated his probation, I could see the Wizards gaining the ability to void his contract. That being said, I don't see that as a likely scenario.

[WizarDynasty]

Gortat and Vince<<<<<Arenas.